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01-26-2013, 11:18 AM
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Columbus? Philly? Toronto?

That Cloutier blog on Luongo wasn't bad - basically saying if the Oilers actually were interested in Luongo, would this be Katz putting the pressure on to start winning now.
Like it or not our goaltending is as bad as those teams if not worse.

Sad but true.

Yan Danis is our backup goaltender.

We have Devan Dubnyk (dubious and largely unproven) and nothing else.

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01-26-2013, 11:21 AM
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hey guys, i'm a habs fan coming in peace but want to ask a question. My second favorite team is the oilers and think that the oilers and Habs are perfect trading partners right now. Do you guys think the oilers would do a hall or Eberle or RNH or Yaks deal for subban? (not saying straight up, but just in general)….who is the most available of the guys mentioned?
No.

Those guys arent contract holdouts.

That probably depreciates PK's value around the league a bit.

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01-26-2013, 11:31 AM
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Find three teams that have worse goaltending.
I guess that answers the original question...opinion.

If we are using goals against as a measure using last years stats
Columbus
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01-26-2013, 11:35 AM
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I know I keep bringing up the subban thing but in terms of acquisitions he's the only guy that comes to mind at the moment.

Just a couple things from twitter today
Very little or no progress made.
MTL is offering Subban exactly what NYR gave MDZ
MTL is very firm on a 2 year deal

I wasn't sure exactly what MTL was offering until now; I bet subban would sign at 4 years and maybe is low as 4.5 million in other words very close to Whitney money.

If I was a MTL fan right now I'd be pissed

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No.

Those guys arent contract holdouts.

That probably depreciates PK's value around the league a bit.
Exactly, and I'd argue all them have more value than Subban pre-hold out.

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01-26-2013, 11:41 AM
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I know I keep bringing up the subban thing but in terms of acquisitions he's the only guy that comes to mind at the moment.

Just a couple things from twitter today
Very little or no progress made.
MTL is offering Subban exactly what NYR gave MDZ
MTL is very firm on a 2 year deal

I wasn't sure exactly what MTL was offering until now; I bet subban would sign at 4 years and maybe is low as 4.5 million in other words very close to Whitney money.

If I was a MTL fan right now I'd be pissed
NO Kidding, imagine the Oilers holding the Nuge to a 2 year deal like Tyler Ennis just signed, I'd burn down their offices myself.

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01-26-2013, 11:45 AM
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People are talking up Subbaan like he's Shea Weber or something. If he IS traded, don't be surprised if he goes for a lot less than many on these boards seem to think.

And proposing ANY of our young 5 for this player is ludicrous IMO. Subban would fill a need on the Oilers, but not at the price some believe he is worth.

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01-26-2013, 12:04 PM
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No oiler fan has proposed one of the 5 for subban..

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01-26-2013, 12:34 PM
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People are talking up Subbaan like he's Shea Weber or something. If he IS traded, don't be surprised if he goes for a lot less than many on these boards seem to think.

And proposing ANY of our young 5 for this player is ludicrous IMO. Subban would fill a need on the Oilers, but not at the price some believe he is worth.
He is not worth a big five player. If we can add him somehow else, he is the last big piece we need other than one more solid centreman and a backup goalie.

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01-26-2013, 01:01 PM
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He is not worth a big five player. If we can add him somehow else, he is the last big piece we need other than one more solid centreman and a backup goalie.
I would offer Whitney and our first. That is a fair amount as whitney can play and fill the void. The first is a valuable item. This is by no means a great trade for MTL but as an Oiler fan I wouldnt be willing to offer much more.

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01-26-2013, 01:03 PM
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I think if we take a shoot up the standings this season (Fighting for playoffs or a bit higher) this offseason Tambo will really make a push for UFA's if nothing can be done in the trade market.

Looking at the upcoming UFA's (Many will surely be signed) I picked out some of the best at our positions of need just for fun.

Top 6 Size

Corey Perry - ANA
Nathan Horton - BOS
Ryane Clowe - SJS
Dustin Penner - LAK
Clarke Macarthur - TOR
Nik Antropov - WPG
Viktor Stalberg - CHI

Bottom 6 Players

Dany Cleary - DET
David Clarkson - NJD
Chris Higgins - VAN
Eric Nystrom - DAL
Brad Richardson - LAK
Matt Cullen - MIN

Defense

Robyn Regehr - BUF
Andrew Ference - BOS
Ron Hainsey - WPG
Marek Zidlicky - NJD
Rob Scuderi - LAK
Jordan Leopold - BUF
Ian White - DET
Douglas Murray - SJS

Now next year expiring Oilers are

Ryan Whitney
Ryan Jones
Ladislav Smid
Mark Fistric
Andy Sutton
Darcy Hordichuk
Lennart Petrell
Nikolai Khabibulin

Other possibilities - Horcoff Buyout, Hemsky Trade, Gagner Trade etc.

So I'm thinking we re-up Smid, and Fistric, possibly Jones.. and then let the rest of them walk.

That leaves us with

Hall - RNH - Eberle
Yakupov - Gagner - Hemsky
Hartikainen - Horcoff - XXX
Eager - Belanger - Jones/Paajarvi
Smyth

Smid - Petry
Schultz - Schultz
XXX- Fistric
XXX

Dubnyk
XXX

I think Edmonton should attempt to sign Scuderi, Regehr, Ference, Hainsey or Murray for a spot on the bottom pairing for a short term, all veteran guys who are defensively sound. Then add a guy like David Clarkson to the third line.

I see us dealing possibly for a centerman with size sometime in the next year or so. Pieces that could be dealt would be Hemsky, Whitney (This Season), Gagner, Marincin, our 1st, Paajarvi, etc. Something like a guy like Berglund or Hanzal would be awesome.

Say we trade Hemsky, Gagner and another piece to Phoenix for Hanzal and a prospect then sign Clowe, Clarkson and Regehr in the offseason.

Imagine

Clowe - RNH - Yakupov
Hall - Hanzal - Eberle
Hartikainen - Horcoff - Clarkson
Eager - Belanger - Jones
Paajarvi

Smid - Petry
Schultz - Schultz
Regehr/Ference - Fistric
Peckham/Klefbom

Dubnyk
Garon or similar UFA

IN - Clowe 4M, Hanzal 3.1M, Clarkson 3M, Regehr/Ference 3M, UFA Back Up <1M, Klefbom?

OUT - Whitney 4.1M, Hemsky 5M, Gagner 3.2M, Khabi 3.75M, Petrell 825K, Hordi 800K, Sutton 1.75M

The Oilers look like a team that could easily compete for the NW division in this lineup imo if Dubnyk can show the ability of an NHL starter.


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01-26-2013, 01:07 PM
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No oiler fan has proposed one of the 5 for subban..
I was talking HF in general, not specifically Oilers fans. But I'm sure I could dig up a couple of proposals from some posters on HF Oil that have suggested it at some point.

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01-26-2013, 01:09 PM
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I guess that answers the original question...opinion.

If we are using goals against as a measure using last years stats
Columbus
Toronto
Tampa
NYI
Winnipeg
Ottawa
GAA is more of a team stat IMO. Tampa improved there goaltending since last year adding Lindbeck. NYI still have Nabokov who is better then both our goalies, Pavelec is without a doubt better then our goalies, and don't get me started on Anderson out of Ottawa. Also I'd take Bobrovsky and Mason over our two current goaltenders so really the only team with arguably worst goaltending right now is Toronto.

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People are talking up Subbaan like he's Shea Weber or something. If he IS traded, don't be surprised if he goes for a lot less than many on these boards seem to think.

And proposing ANY of our young 5 for this player is ludicrous IMO. Subban would fill a need on the Oilers, but not at the price some believe he is worth.
P.K Subban is not one of the very best dmen in the league but he is still a very good dman and a young guy too in a few years he could be one of the best. You are right though in a trade like this we don't want to improve our defense at the cost of our offense.
What would you be prepared to give up for Subban?

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I would offer Whitney and our first. That is a fair amount as whitney can play and fill the void. The first is a valuable item. This is by no means a great trade for MTL but as an Oiler fan I wouldnt be willing to offer much more.
Yeah thats not bad MTL won't be thrilled with that though. I would even go furthur, maybe whitney PRV and a solid prospect like Marincin, i'd rather keep our first round pick

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PRV, Marincin, 1st in 2014
They wouldn't bite though

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I would offer Whitney and our first. That is a fair amount as whitney can play and fill the void. The first is a valuable item. This is by no means a great trade for MTL but as an Oiler fan I wouldnt be willing to offer much more.
Unless they aren't paying attention, Whiteny won't do it at all, he's a UFA at the end of the season, and to be honest, he's not playing like he's worth much more than a 3rd or 4th round pick right now.

Subban I think would probably take something along the lines of Klefbom, Magnus and Anaheims 2nd

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The question is who would you rather have in your top pair, Subban or J.Schultz. Because PK is not going to play second fiddle to nobody, and would be crying the blues or picking fights with his teammates if he's not top pair. J.Schultz has made his mistakes, and he's not out to make the big hit like PK loves to do ( causing him to be out of position most of the time ). But it looks like he carries the puck better, doesn't cough it up as much as PK does and he's more accurate with his shots, and IMO he's more sound defensively.

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PK Subban screams Dion Phaneuf to me. He's a different player, but he still has the same glaring flaws to his game that Dion has.

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I don't want Subban on the oilers--too much attitude for what he has done and I think the oilers will have enough of a problem when the kids we have get better

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I think if we take a shoot up the standings this season (Fighting for playoffs or a bit higher) this offseason Tambo will really make a push for UFA's if nothing can be done in the trade market.

Looking at the upcoming UFA's (Many will surely be signed) I picked out some of the best at our positions of need just for fun.

Top 6 Size

Corey Perry - ANA
Nathan Horton - BOS
Ryane Clowe - SJS
Dustin Penner - LAK
Clarke Macarthur - TOR
Nik Antropov - WPG
Viktor Stalberg - CHI

Bottom 6 Players

Dany Cleary - DET
David Clarkson - NJD
Chris Higgins - VAN
Eric Nystrom - DAL
Brad Richardson - LAK
Matt Cullen - MIN

Defense

Robyn Regehr - BUF
Andrew Ference - BOS
Ron Hainsey - WPG
Marek Zidlicky - NJD
Rob Scuderi - LAK
Jordan Leopold - BUF
Ian White - DET
Douglas Murray - SJS

Now next year expiring Oilers are

Ryan Whitney
Ryan Jones
Ladislav Smid
Mark Fistric
Andy Sutton
Darcy Hordichuk
Lennart Petrell
Nikolai Khabibulin

Other possibilities - Horcoff Buyout, Hemsky Trade, Gagner Trade etc.

So I'm thinking we re-up Smid, and Fistric, possibly Jones.. and then let the rest of them walk.

That leaves us with

Hall - RNH - Eberle
Yakupov - Gagner - Hemsky
Hartikainen - Horcoff - XXX
Eager - Belanger - Jones/Paajarvi
Smyth

Smid - Petry
Schultz - Schultz
XXX- Fistric
XXX

Dubnyk
XXX

I think Edmonton should attempt to sign Scuderi, Regehr, Ference, Hainsey or Murray for a spot on the bottom pairing for a short term, all veteran guys who are defensively sound. Then add a guy like David Clarkson to the third line.

I see us dealing possibly for a centerman with size sometime in the next year or so. Pieces that could be dealt would be Hemsky, Whitney (This Season), Gagner, Marincin, our 1st, Paajarvi, etc. Something like a guy like Berglund or Hanzal would be awesome.

Say we trade Hemsky, Gagner and another piece to Phoenix for Hanzal and a prospect then sign Clowe, Clarkson and Regehr in the offseason.

Imagine

Clowe - RNH - Yakupov
Hall - Hanzal - Eberle
Hartikainen - Horcoff - Clarkson
Eager - Belanger - Jones
Paajarvi

Smid - Petry
Schultz - Schultz
Regehr/Ference - Fistric
Peckham/Klefbom

Dubnyk
Garon or similar UFA

IN - Clowe 4M, Hanzal 3.1M, Clarkson 3M, Regehr/Ference 3M, UFA Back Up <1M, Klefbom?

OUT - Whitney 4.1M, Hemsky 5M, Gagner 3.2M, Khabi 3.75M, Petrell 825K, Hordi 800K, Sutton 1.75M

The Oilers look like a team that could easily compete for the NW division in this lineup imo if Dubnyk can show the ability of an NHL starter.
David Clarkson is going to get closer to 5 million than 3 I think. He scored 30 goals last year. If he hits 15-20 this year I think some team gives up the big bucks for him.

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I would offer Whitney and our first. That is a fair amount as whitney can play and fill the void. The first is a valuable item. This is by no means a great trade for MTL but as an Oiler fan I wouldnt be willing to offer much more.
I think you understand the habs would laugh at that trade. look at the injuries, way Whitney played last year and the way he's played the beginning of this year.
I think a smart team would question if Whitney can play at all.
I know I'm starting to question if he can still be a serviceable NHL player.

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I guess that answers the original question...opinion.

If we are using goals against as a measure using last years stats
Columbus
Toronto
Tampa
NYI
Winnipeg
Ottawa
If you can go onto any board on HF, set up a poll, and ask them if they would want to swap their goalies for ours, and you can get a majority to say they would swap, then you may have a point.

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PK Subban screams Dion Phaneuf to me. He's a different player, but he still has the same glaring flaws to his game that Dion has.
PK is better defensively and Dion is better offensively. PK makes some glaring mistakes time to time in the transition game but is a pretty good well rounded dman. I think fans don't give him enough credit for his defensive game and too much credit for his offensive game. If I had one complaint about PK it would be his ability to run a PP. He shoots a lot but misses the net a lot. He reminds of Boris Miranov in that way. But he is still a good dman.

He is a lot more agile than Dion and in my opinion has more hockey sense. I would love to have him on the Oilers but only for the right price

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I think its crazy that some Montreal fans are asking for Yakupov for Subban. Yakupov could quite easily have 3-4 goals already this season with the chances he has been getting. Excellent attitude, and aside from some defensive mistakes, has been fairly good as a rookie. In addition, his value to this team increases tremendously once Hemsky is gone. The Oilers forward depth is vastly overrated if Yakupov is traded.

The asking price for Subban seems to be ski high. I can see the Oilers offering Petry or Klefbom, but there is no way Yakupov gets traded. Gagner? Likely untouchable as well at the moment, considering our center depth.

I think our prospect depth is too overrated to be trading forwards for help on defence. Packaging a current defender with another non NHL asset to upgrade the position is more likely.

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I do not see Subban moving. He is probably going to get a two-year big money deal before the trade deadline. That seems to be what usually happens with RFAs that do not get what they want for term and money.

Unless Montreal has some offensive D-man hidden in their system(other than Markov, apparently), I do not see them trading Subban.

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