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Top 25 Finnish Players Of All-Time - #4

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Miikka Kiprusoff 12 35.29%
Pekka Rinne 0 0%
Jere Lehtinen 12 35.29%
Mikko Koivu 0 0%
Teppo Numminen 5 14.71%
Kari Lehtonen 0 0%
Olli Jokinen 0 0%
Esa Tikkanen 5 14.71%
Jyrki Lumme 0 0%
Kimmo Timonen 0 0%
Petri Skriko 0 0%
Reijo Ruotsalainen 0 0%
Matti Hagman 0 0%
Raimo Helminen 0 0%
Ville Peltonen 0 0%
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01-26-2013, 12:06 AM
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Top 25 Finnish Players Of All-Time - #4

1. Teemu Selanne
2. Jari Kurri
3. Saku Koivu

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Lehtinen. Great defensive player, but not bad offensively either. Only Finnish player with Stanley Cup and World Championship Gold.

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01-26-2013, 12:56 PM
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After loooong consideration i let Tikkanen's awesomwness take me over. Voted him, altough Kipper or Lehtinen are good choises too.

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01-26-2013, 02:31 PM
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Well this was hard, but decided to vote Numminen. Someone said that Numminen never was top 10 defencemen. Okay I haven´t seen his games in NHL as much as others here, but still I have to disagree. + His career in national team career from our first medal (not counting EC medals) in Calgary to Torino silver is pretty impressive. But as I said this was hard choice. There was four pretty even candidates here.

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Esa Keskinen and Vesa Viitakoski ftw!! =) to of my fav players of all time ... to bad not on this list=(

Best: Probably Selänne? ...ops not on the list don´t know stats about these players that well...maybe Kiprosoff or Koivu...but I liked Tikkanen also.

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Well this was hard, but decided to vote Numminen. Someone said that Numminen never was top 10 defencemen. Okay I haven´t seen his games in NHL as much as others here, but still I have to disagree. + His career in national team career from our first medal (not counting EC medals) in Calgary to Torino silver is pretty impressive. But as I said this was hard choice. There was four pretty even candidates here.
Numminen had his fair share of norris and all-star votes. If i remember correctly he was "3rd" team all-star at least once.

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Esa Keskinen and Vesa Viitakoski ftw!! =) to of my fav players of all time ... to bad not on this list=(

Best: Probably Selänne? ...ops not on the list don´t know stats about these players that well...maybe Kiprosoff or Koivu...but I liked Tikkanen also.
This post is too smart for me to understand.

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Numminen had his fair share of norris and all-star votes. If i remember correctly he was "3rd" team all-star at least once.
Thanks. I know that he put his best numbers in a "dead puck era" but was never really known from his offensive skills. He is only ~3 years younger than Tikkanen and is ~5 years older than Lehtinen (went out ~same time), so he beats both decisively in career longevity even without the game count. Kipper had high peak and have been a good starer after that, but in national team he has his good,bad and uglys. I feel slightly more comfortable with my choice.


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Numminen had his fair share of norris and all-star votes. If i remember correctly he was "3rd" team all-star at least once.
Here are his finishes (at least 1 vote required):

Norris:
9thT (1998)
11th (2000)
7th (2002)

All-Star:
12th (1996)
10th (1998)
18th (1999)
13th (2000)
6th (2002)

Yes, he would have been a 3rd Team All Star in 2002.

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Here are his finishes (at least 1 vote required):

Norris:
9thT (1998)
11th (2000)
7th (2002)

All-Star:
12th (1996)
10th (1998)
18th (1999)
13th (2000)
6th (2002)

Yes, he would have been a 3rd Team All Star in 2002.
Not as good as my memory told me but still impressive. Numminen was kind of low-radar type of player. He was often better than the mass thought.

So, he had 3 years in his career when he was arguably a top-10 defender. I'd say he has a pretty good case for being in after Kipper and Lehtinen.

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Not as good as my memory told me but still impressive. Numminen was kind of low-radar type of player. He was often better than the mass thought.

So, he had 3 years in his career when he was arguably a top-10 defender. I'd say he has a pretty good case for being in after Kipper and Lehtinen.
Numminen was a top-10 defender for more than 3 seasons.

Ridiculously under-rated when viewed by voting metrics.

In 1997-98 (9th/10th) he was a top-3 defender and better than the guy that won the Norris.

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I'm a little late joining back up with the Finnish votes, and was just wondering if only players with NHL experience are being considered here (seems to be the trend). The reason I'm wondering, is that I noticed Kiprusoff up for a #4 tie-breaker, when I would have considered someone like Ylonen (after whom the SM-Liiga's top goaltender award is named - an award he won 3 times) more "legendary" at the very least, possibly even "better". I believe he was Mikka's goalie coach in TPS as well (he has coached there for over 20 years by now, I think).

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