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01-26-2013, 03:14 PM
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How come folks here who usually bash RDS for a no or a yes are now believing this rumour ?

I thought only TSN and the Anglo medias were right.
Petty language stuff aside, both Dreger and Lavoie came out with the report around the same time this morning.

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01-26-2013, 03:15 PM
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Are we really doing 1000 posts in a few hours with nothing new whatsoever? Lol

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That's not entirely fair, it's still his second language and he is perfectly understandable. If you start learning a second language too late in life it's almost never going to be perfect. If I spoke nothing but Spanish or French for the next 20 years I'd probably still be far from eloquent.
Maybe you're right and I'm being unfair..

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01-26-2013, 03:17 PM
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Bergervin is an imbecile.

Let's be real , if it was Gauthier , media would be absolutly nuts right now.

Embarrassing offer from MB
Bergevin is not an imbecile, maybe you don't understand well how to manage a hockey team. It's not like a video game...

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01-26-2013, 03:17 PM
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good read. apologies if already
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http://legrandclub.rds.ca/profils/60.../154013/public

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Are we really doing 1000 posts in a few hours with nothing new whatsoever? Lol
Well... Finding out that Bergevin offered him $5.1M TOTAL for 2 years is pretty big news imo.

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I can believe some of the comments.
Ok what the hell, pay subban 10 mil for 20 years for a total of 200 million.
Now to get under the cap? who cares, sell off Price and Patchs, give away the next 3 firsts and tinordi and Galchenyuk and Beaulieu and well everyone as long as Subban is signed forever. OH wait you think I am nuts now?? MB has to fit 23 players into a cap of 64mil.
Overpay on your top 5 players and you end up like Washington.
this is what you want, sign Subban at all costs. market value plus that always important extra for MTL due to all the taxes. Just do it now
It's not my money so I don't care. If it does not work out for a cup blame MB forever for caving in to Subban.
That is some of the dumbest **** I have ever read in my entire life.

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01-26-2013, 03:19 PM
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To those ready to cook up Bergevin for dinner, he's negotiating. Get that in your heads before calling him out.

2.5 per over 2 years is clearly meant to be a starting point for it to end up somewhere around 4-5 per over 2-3 years.

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01-26-2013, 03:20 PM
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That is some of the dumbest **** I have ever read in my entire life.
You did not read the post this morning saying we should trade subban to the penguins for Malkin.

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01-26-2013, 03:21 PM
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Maybe you're right and I'm being unfair..
It's something personal to me as an American who was raised in only one language, I've struggled to get my Spanish up to a functional level and don't even get me started on my French...of course I'm sure I'd be much better if forced to use nothing but Spanish for years, but in Bergevin's defense it's not like he's incoherent, just a little awkward.

I'm fine with Bergevin being less than fully educated as long as he has the right help...Bowman and the man himself both admitted he's "not a numbers guy", and I'm worried he surrounded himself by nothing but his hockey player friends and not a more diverse team. That's where my concern is, if Bergevin himself admits he's not a expert at salaries and the cap, who is the mastermind of this?

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01-26-2013, 03:22 PM
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To those ready to cook up Bergevin for dinner, he's negotiating. Get that in your heads before calling him out.

2.5 per over 2 years is clearly meant to be a starting point for it to end up somewhere around 4-5 per over 2-3 years.
The season is underway. Is this really the time to establish a "starting point?"

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01-26-2013, 03:23 PM
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To those ready to cook up Bergevin for dinner, he's negotiating. Get that in your heads before calling him out.

2.5 per over 2 years is clearly meant to be a starting point for it to end up somewhere around 4-5 per over 2-3 years.
He's been offering that since May though...

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01-26-2013, 03:23 PM
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Are we really doing 1000 posts in a few hours with nothing new whatsoever? Lol
I call it cheap therapy.

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You did not read the post this morning saying we should trade subban to the penguins for Malkin.
You are correct. I did not. But I'll save myself the seconds of my life I would spend reading it, and take your word for it.

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01-26-2013, 03:27 PM
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I call it cheap therapy.
All it does is get me even more pissed off, lol.

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01-26-2013, 03:28 PM
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To those ready to cook up Bergevin for dinner, he's negotiating. Get that in your heads before calling him out.

2.5 per over 2 years is clearly meant to be a starting point for it to end up somewhere around 4-5 per over 2-3 years.
Except at this point it's not time to make lowball offers anymore.

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01-26-2013, 03:29 PM
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The season is underway. Is this really the time to establish a "starting point?"
There was a lockout, you can't negotiate during it. He's not supposed to fold now that it's over. Folding would be the worst thing for this organization going forward, both for overpaying a player who hasn't earned it and for broadcasting to the rest of the league that Bergevin will crack if you go at it long enough.

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He's been offering that since May though...
See above.

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01-26-2013, 03:30 PM
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Except at this point it's not time to make lowball offers anymore.
Until PK comes down from the 5+ year deal he's looking for, there is no point in upping the money if he won't budge off the term. But then again, I'm no GM.

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01-26-2013, 03:32 PM
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There was a lockout, you can't negotiate during it. He's not supposed to fold now that it's over. Folding would be the worst thing for this organization going forward, both for overpaying a player who hasn't earned it and for broadcasting to the rest of the league that Bergevin will crack if you go at it long enough.
You are telling me Subban hasn't even earned a Gorges-esque contract? Because Bergevin's offer implies he's nothing but potential, like Eller. That kind of ignores the past two years, no?

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01-26-2013, 03:32 PM
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I hope he signs an offer sheet

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To those ready to cook up Bergevin for dinner, he's negotiating. Get that in your heads before calling him out.

2.5 per over 2 years is clearly meant to be a starting point for it to end up somewhere around 4-5 per over 2-3 years.
Not moving since May sounds more like stupidity and stubbornness than negotiating :/ unless there's stuff we don't know.

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01-26-2013, 03:32 PM
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There was a lockout, you can't negotiate during it. He's not supposed to fold now that it's over. Folding would be the worst thing for this organization going forward, both for overpaying a player who hasn't earned it and for broadcasting to the rest of the league that Bergevin will crack if you go at it long enough.


See above.
Until PK comes down from the 5+ year deal he's looking for, there is no point in upping the money if he won't budge off the term. But then again, I'm no GM.
Maybe you're right, but it's not a good offer.

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You are telling me Subban hasn't even earned a Gorges-esque contract? Because Bergevin's offer implies he's nothing but potential, like Eller. That kind of ignores the past two years, no?
Yes, that's what I'm telling you. PK signing a Gorges-esque contract will take him to free agency. Why on earth would the Habs want to hamstring themselves like that? Gorges had to grow into his own before signing his long-term deal, too.

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Not moving since May sounds more like stupidity and stubbornness than negotiating :/ unless there's stuff we don't know.
Probably is stuff we don't know, but, again, you can't negotiate during the lockout and the "since May" rhetoric doesn't really work.

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Maybe you're right, but it's not a good offer.
Didn't say it was, but I can understand it. Bergevin is not sold on PK deserving the big money over big term, and, frankly, I don't know why anyone would be safe for being madly in love with the guy. This entire process has been clouded with emotion.

PK should watch and learn what an elite defenseman looks like, his name is Andrei Markov. I don't doubt his potential, but doesn't mean we should pay for it just yet. Again, that's just my opinion.

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Ditto

The Gainey years will seem like sunshine
That's hyperbole. The sun doesn't rise and set with Subban. It's not too late for him to sign and if he's traded Bergevin would get solid value for him, not another Gomez. Nor would Bergevin trade a first and a second for another Tanguay.

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Habs shoulda kept O'BYRNE

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