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01-26-2013, 05:03 PM
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We should keep Weber. There will be injuries.
Agreed. We are one injury away from needing him. Unless the they would prefer calling up St. Denis from Hamilton, but even then we'd have to call someone else up too to be the #7.

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01-26-2013, 05:09 PM
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Weber deserves a real chance in the NHL, it's looking more and more like it won't be with us. The classy thing to do is send him to team that will give him a chance.

That being said a lot of our D have to prove they can stay healthy, and Subban needs to be signed before we can trade him. Also we will no doubt want to be in a position to trade Kaberle if a team gets desperate, and Weber is a decent Kaberle replacement.

If we are a middle of the road team the best case is probably to try to get another struggling D-man that is more physical/better defensively but has limited offence so that we don't hurt our depth (Remember what happened after we traded O'Byrne). If we are out of it early then try to get the best prospect/pick you can.

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01-26-2013, 05:39 PM
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Before making any moves with Weber, I hope Bergevin tries to move Kaberle.

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01-26-2013, 05:55 PM
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I know everybody else hates Yannick Weber, but...

I remember how well he dominated the OHL the year after being drafted, and how he and Subban had a playoff series against each other,

I remember that he did well in the OHL,

I remember that he was first brought up on the maximally dysfunctional 2008-09 Habs team, and that he was one of the only players competing against Boston in the playoffs.

I remember that he did well in the Swiss League this year, as Diaz did.

Given all that, my preference is to see Kaberle traded, to see Weber get an extended 20 or 30 game tryout, and have St-Denis as the 7th dman until Subban returns.

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01-26-2013, 06:01 PM
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I know everybody else hates Yannick Weber, but...

I remember how well he dominated the OHL the year after being drafted, and how he and Subban had a playoff series against each other,

I remember that he did well in the OHL,

I remember that he was first brought up on the maximally dysfunctional 2008-09 Habs team, and that he was one of the only players competing against Boston in the playoffs.

I remember that he did well in the Swiss League this year, as Diaz did.

Given all that, my preference is to see Kaberle traded, to see Weber get an extended 20 or 30 game tryout, and have St-Denis as the 7th dman until Subban returns
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Clearly. But Kaberle may be hard to move. 4,5 millions of dollars this year and the next season.

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01-26-2013, 06:02 PM
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Given all that, my preference is to see Kaberle traded, to see Weber get an extended 20 or 30 game tryout, and have St-Denis as the 7th dman until Subban returns.
That is my preference too. I would love it if somehow we found a taker for Kaberle this season so we won't have to use a buyout on him in the summer.

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01-26-2013, 06:10 PM
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I had hopes for Keberle coming to camp in good shape and being a lot
better. But it doesn't look like it's happening. So I really hope Weber replaces
him for at least a few games. Let Weber get some games to show if he's
improved.
Also, what are the waiver issues if we shuttle St. Denis back and forth
to Hamilton. Because if we get rid of Kaberle or Weber, we can do that
instead of carrying 8 D's.

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01-26-2013, 06:21 PM
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Keep Weber. I really think Tinordi/Beaulieu wont still be ready next season.

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01-26-2013, 06:37 PM
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Considering what we would get in return, I'm not interested in trading him to Ottawa, as I do believe he could still potentially have a relatively high ceiling. Not as a great defenseman, but as a MA Bergeron type PP specialist who plays with Karlsson. Not in the division to a team that's currently better than us.

Would Carolina give us Drayson Bowman?

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01-26-2013, 07:47 PM
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I know everybody else hates Yannick Weber, but...

I remember how well he dominated the OHL the year after being drafted, and how he and Subban had a playoff series against each other,

I remember that he did well in the OHL,

I remember that he was first brought up on the maximally dysfunctional 2008-09 Habs team, and that he was one of the only players competing against Boston in the playoffs.

I remember that he did well in the Swiss League this year, as Diaz did.

Given all that, my preference is to see Kaberle traded, to see Weber get an extended 20 or 30 game tryout, and have St-Denis as the 7th dman until Subban returns.
agreed...

unless some team is very high on him &/or desperate enough to give us a quality asset in return, we'd be stupid to move him before giving him a real shot in a role that he's suited for (i.e defense, with somewhat sheltered minutes focusing on PP & offensive zone situations).

that's exactly what a young player with his attributes should be for, and over time you can see if his game develops enough to become a Rafalski-esque (Rafalski being the elite version of a slightly built dman oozing offensive talent & positionally sound enough to be a top-4 dman defensively speaking).

he's cheap, and skilled in that role... Gauthier's blunder in acquiring Kaberle (and to a lesser degree, Campoli), hindered what should have been the perfect situation to get Weber quality NHL minutes.

tougher now for the team to do it, but really at this point Kaberle should be on the bench and Weber in the lineup. I don't believe that anything Kaberle is giving us is that much greater than what Weber could, and with Kaberle, you aren't going to be "showcasing" anything. A team either is willing to take his hit in the belief that his potential point production is worth it, or they won't. Last year's numbers are a better selling point than what this year's diminishing play will provide.

sometimes it seems so obvious I wonder how it is these hockey "guys" can be so blind to it.

and then you look at successful franchises, and you see them making these kinds of astute/calculated risks regularly...

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01-26-2013, 07:53 PM
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I know everybody else hates Yannick Weber, but...

I remember how well he dominated the OHL the year after being drafted, and how he and Subban had a playoff series against each other,

I remember that he did well in the OHL,

I remember that he was first brought up on the maximally dysfunctional 2008-09 Habs team, and that he was one of the only players competing against Boston in the playoffs.

I remember that he did well in the Swiss League this year, as Diaz did.

Given all that, my preference is to see Kaberle traded, to see Weber get an extended 20 or 30 game tryout, and have St-Denis as the 7th dman until Subban returns.
Agreed. I see Weber as a bit of a late bloomer. I'm convinced he'll be a good NHL D at some point. Might not be for us though.

As long as this whole PK thing is going on, no way do I trade Weber. I bet anything that if Kaberle is out tomorrow, Weber will win a spot back there. Book it!

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01-26-2013, 08:18 PM
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Keep Weber. I really think Tinordi/Beaulieu wont still be ready next season.

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Diaz-Markov
Subban-Weber
I think Tinordi will be. Didn't they say that they were conflicted on whether to send him down because he was NHL ready (for a rookie at least) but we already had enough Dmen? I think even if he wasn't this year, his style will be NHL ready by next season, as opposed to beaulieu who is still pretty raw.

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Markov-Emelin
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01-26-2013, 08:21 PM
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What about Beaulieu?

When will he be NHL ready?

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01-26-2013, 08:31 PM
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What about Beaulieu?

When will he be NHL ready?
He will need, at least, one more full AHL year IMO. He could be here full time in 2014-15, getting 10-20ish games next season when the injury plague strikes again.

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Agreed. I'd rather we not trade him. Not yet.



Weber has played over 100 games in the NHL and is one of the best defenseman from his country. He has played in the Olympics, the World Championships, has posted some good stats in the AHL... I have no idea how Tinordi and St-Denis are more "NHL-ready" than he is. That makes no sense.

Weber is--as he should be--ahead of Tinordi and St-Denis. They could've sent him down instead of St-Denis at the begining of the season and they didn't. They both had to clear waiver but the Canadiens decided Weber was more valuable to the team.

He will get his chance eventually this season.
Whether you see him as this team #8 defenseman or, like me, as the #10, Weber dropped in our depth chart since being a semi regular from 2010 to season’s end in 2012. When a player reaches 23-25 years old while falling in the depth chart, it’s better to trade him for a pick or a younger prospect.

A perfect example would be O’Byrne for Bournival. At the time, I was wishing for a 3rd pairing of Gorges – O’Byrne but when they signed Gill, there no longer was enough room for him in Montreal. Instead of letting him rot in the press box, they transformed him into a solid and younger prospect: Bournival.

Again: Weber is currently 8-10th in our D depth chart and though I doubt he can fetch us a quality prospect like Bournival, it would be better for the team, and him btw, to bank on his potential instead of letting it fade away on the press box. Hence me wishing for at least a 3rd round pick in 2013.

Regarding depth...

Once Subban (or the return for him) is back on the ice, Kaberle will be our #7D and Saint-Denis is ready to assume NHL duties. Plus, Tinordi is very close to the NHL: I expect him to crack the line-up next season and I think he can assume sporadic NHL duties this season if it becomes necessary.

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01-26-2013, 09:38 PM
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To Ottawa: Weber

To Montreal: Conditional 7th round draft pick in 2014



sound good?


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Whether you see him as this team #8 defenseman or, like me, as the #10, Weber dropped in our depth chart since being a semi regular from 2010 to season’s end in 2012. When a player reaches 23-25 years old while falling in the depth chart, it’s better to trade him for a pick or a younger prospect.

A perfect example would be O’Byrne for Bournival. At the time, I was wishing for a 3rd pairing of Gorges – O’Byrne but when they signed Gill, there no longer was enough room for him in Montreal. Instead of letting him rot in the press box, they transformed him into a solid and younger prospect: Bournival.

Again: Weber is currently 8-10th in our D depth chart and though I doubt he can fetch us a quality prospect like Bournival, it would be better for the team, and him btw, to bank on his potential instead of letting it fade away on the press box. Hence me wishing for at least a 3rd round pick in 2013.

Regarding depth...

Once Subban (or the return for him) is back on the ice, Kaberle will be our #7D and Saint-Denis is ready to assume NHL duties. Plus, Tinordi is very close to the NHL: I expect him to crack the line-up next season and I think he can assume sporadic NHL duties this season if it becomes necessary.
Pretty bad example.

O'Byrne has become a legitimate NHL shutdown defenseman.

Bournival is extremely unlikely to ever amount to anything.

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Pretty bad example.

O'Byrne has become a legitimate NHL shutdown defenseman.

Bournival is extremely unlikely to ever amount to anything.
As usual, I disagree with you. I was a fan of O’Byrne since day 1 but when they signed Gill, there no longer was room for him in Montreal. Do you think it would have been better to not trade him and let him rot in the press box?

As for Bournival, he is one of our best prospects so our views on his chances to reach the NHL are so far apart that I think it would be better for both of us to agree to disagree.

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Clearly. But Kaberle may be hard to move. 4,5 millions of dollars this year and the next season.
The only way to move him will be to eat 50% of he's salaries. At 2.25 for this and next year you might have someone willing to give something up.

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As usual, I disagree with you. I was a fan of O’Byrne since day 1 but when they signed Gill, there no longer was room for him in Montreal. Do you think it would have been better to not trade him and let him rot in the press box?

As for Bournival, he is one of our best prospects so our views on his chances to reach the NHL are so far apart that I think it would be better for both of us to agree to disagree.
I remember a few weeks after they traded O'Byrne, the inevitable injuries happened and we had to acquire Sopel, etc.

As for Bournival, the following guys he's the 9th best Habs prospect according to Cory Pronman, and this very community rated him as our 9th best prospect before the 2012 draft.

http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/arti...articleid=1351
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=952489

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Agreed. We are one injury away from needing him. Unless the they would prefer calling up St. Denis from Hamilton, but even then we'd have to call someone else up too to be the #7.
Agreed and agreed again. Weber at deadline for a desperate contender. Might get us a third. Not now.

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Again, this is another when you should never trade a player in this position. You sell high and buy low. This is the opposite of that. An example of maximizing a players worth was trading Halak, or trading DD last year. You don't trade aplyer when they are at the lowest point in their career. Injuries will happen, weber will get icetime and hopefully improve his stock. There is no purpose for making a move at the current time.

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To Ottawa: Weber

To Montreal: Conditional 7th round draft pick in 2014



sound good?
So, for a 3rd round dman that is ready to try for an NHL spot for a 7th round pick is the cheapest price any NHL team can pay, so Weber for free? not even this year in a good year. no no lower then that, make it 2014 in what is looking like a very bad year and the last pick on the table. So almost less then free.
Using your rating system, I will trade you my 7th round pick for your 3rd round pick in any year you wish.
Sound Good?

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According to the Isles board they lost Hamonic last night with a sprained ankle. Seen leaving the arena with a boot on his foot

#Isles say D Travis Hamonic has a sprained ankle. Left MTS Centre last night in a walking boot. Likely out tomorrow vs. Pitt.


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i'd like a pick

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