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01-26-2013, 08:12 PM
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I don't think so.
Really? If you had Malkin, Crosby, Stamkos or Tavares would you consider trading them for either of Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Doughty or Weber?

Yandle is good, but no D-Man in the league will return a #1 Center +.

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01-26-2013, 08:20 PM
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Really? If you had Malkin, Crosby, Stamkos or Tavares would you consider trading them for either of Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Doughty or Weber?

Yandle is good, but no D-Man in the league will return a #1 Center +.
You win championships with defense not offense.

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01-26-2013, 08:20 PM
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Really? If you had Malkin, Crosby, Stamkos or Tavares would you consider trading them for either of Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Doughty or Weber?

Yandle is good, but no D-Man in the league will return a #1 Center +.
I'd trade Tavares for Karlsson or Pietrangelo.

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01-26-2013, 08:23 PM
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The likelihood of Stone becoming a 1st-liner is very, very small. He'll have a hard time reaching that potential with his skating. I have him well after Zibanejad, Silfverberg, Lehner, and Ceci, and somewhere in the range of Puempel, Prince, and Noesen. I'm just not a big believer in him.

I also place a fair bit of value on Schlemko, who is young, cheap, controllable, and proven as a capable NHL defender.
But he still has 1st line potential. His skating is just below average but he more than makes up for it with his hockey sense. Hes more likely to become a 2nd liner than Schlemko is to become a top 4 dman.
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Would you guys do Greening + 1st for Boedker?
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Right. An established Dman for a prospect.
Established =/= more value.

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01-26-2013, 08:25 PM
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Boedker

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Zibby
Lehner
2014 2nd
Not even close to anything Phoenix to consider. Why on earth would they even think of that? An All-Star blueliner and solid young forward who has had some success in the NHL; for two unproven prospects and a second? Nothing gained here. One of the most ridiculous ideas I've seen on this board.

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01-26-2013, 08:26 PM
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Really? If you had Malkin, Crosby, Stamkos or Tavares would you consider trading them for either of Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Doughty or Weber?

Yandle is good, but no D-Man in the league will return a #1 Center +.
How many championships did the Senators win with Hossa, Havlat, Spezza and Alfredsson?

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01-26-2013, 08:27 PM
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But he still has 1st line potential. His skating is just below average but he more than makes up for it with his hockey sense. Hes more likely to become a 2nd liner than Schlemko is to become a top 4 dman.
Nik Prokhorkin has 1st line potential too, but I bet you would't trade Wiercioch for him. Potential is one thing, but you have to look at likelihood of reaching that potential. Personally, I think it far more likely that Schlemko becomes reliable enough to up his ice-time by 2 minutes a game than Stone becomes a consistent 20-goal NHLer.

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01-26-2013, 08:48 PM
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How many championships did the Senators win with Hossa, Havlat, Spezza and Alfredsson?
The same amount as when they had Chara, Redden and the Norris winning Karlsson.

Which teams do you think will be prepared to trade a #1 C for Yandle? And then tell me what you'd expect those teams to add on top.

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01-26-2013, 08:52 PM
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The same amount as when they had Chara, Redden and the Norris winning Karlsson.

Which teams do you think will be prepared to trade a #1 C for Yandle? And then tell me what you'd expect those teams to add on top.
Is Krecji a 1C? Maybe not, but I could see that.

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01-26-2013, 08:52 PM
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Nik Prokhorkin has 1st line potential too, but I bet you would't trade Wiercioch for him. Potential is one thing, but you have to look at likelihood of reaching that potential. Personally, I think it far more likely that Schlemko becomes reliable enough to up his ice-time by 2 minutes a game than Stone becomes a consistent 20-goal NHLer.
Thats a bad comparison. Stone > Russian guy. Wiercioch > Schlemko.

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01-26-2013, 08:55 PM
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Thats a bad comparison. Stone > Russian guy. Wiercioch > Schlemko.
I could have used Andre Benoit and the point would have been the same. Anyway, you're clearly a homer because there is absolutely nothing to suggest that Wiercioch is better than Schlemko.

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01-26-2013, 08:58 PM
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Anyway, you're clearly a homer because there is absolutely nothing to suggest that Wiercioch is better than Schlemko.
Schlemko is outplaying Yandle right now. Doesn't look out of place. Always been a sold guy, just the least important value wise to the franchise. Same deal with Lepisto before.

A polite hell no to the original proposal.

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01-26-2013, 09:02 PM
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I could have used Andre Benoit and the point would have been the same. Anyway, you're clearly a homer because there is absolutely nothing to suggest that Wiercioch is better than Schlemko.
"you're clearly a homer because I dont share the same opinion as you"

FTFY

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01-26-2013, 09:04 PM
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"you're clearly a homer because I dont share the same opinion as you"

FTFY
It isn't really a matter of opinion. Schlemko spent last year playing 18+ minutes a game and facing the toughest competition on the Phoenix blueline beside Rosti Klesla. Wiercioch is a 22-year old kid we hope can stick in the NHL, but who has played under 14 minutes a night so far. Saying he's better than Schlemko at this point just isn't right.

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01-26-2013, 09:15 PM
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It isn't really a matter of opinion. Schlemko spent last year playing 18+ minutes a game and facing the toughest competition on the Phoenix blueline beside Rosti Klesla. Wiercioch is a 22-year old kid we hope can stick in the NHL, but who has played under 14 minutes a night so far. Saying he's better than Schlemko at this point just isn't right.
I never said he was better.

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01-26-2013, 09:21 PM
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Too Sens:

Yandle
Boedker

Too Yotes:

Zibby
Lehner
2014 2nd
Please tell me you're joking.

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01-26-2013, 10:04 PM
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Too Sens:

Yandle
Boedker

Too Yotes:

Zibby
Lehner
2014 2nd
That package won't get you into sniffing distance of Yandle alone; adding Boedker is just insult. Try again and take Yote's needs into account first.

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01-26-2013, 10:06 PM
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Here's what I think a realistic trade possibility is:

To the Yotes:

Mika Zibanejad
1st pick 2013
Ben Bishop

To the Sens:

Keith Yandle

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I think it fits both teams' needs without shortchanging either. Yandle is a very valuable defenceman and would fit perfectly into MacLean's system, while Zibanejad has shown flashes of elite potential and the 1st should be a mid-rounder in a deep draft and Ben Bishop (despite his abysmal showing recently) has potential and if nothing else gives the Yotes some help in net.

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01-26-2013, 10:18 PM
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Here's what I think a realistic trade possibility is:

To the Yotes:

Mika Zibanejad
1st pick 2013
Ben Bishop

To the Sens:

Keith Yandle

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I think it fits both teams' needs without shortchanging either. Yandle is a very valuable defenceman and would fit perfectly into MacLean's system, while Zibanejad has shown flashes of elite potential and the 1st should be a mid-rounder in a deep draft and Ben Bishop (despite his abysmal showing recently) has potential and if nothing else gives the Yotes some help in net.
I don't see why Phoenix does this. They're pretty set with Smith and some guy (LaBarbera for now), and they aren't rebuilding. IMO if they're moving Yandle it's to finally add a legit 1st-line offensive piece.

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01-26-2013, 10:19 PM
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Here's what I think a realistic trade possibility is:

To the Yotes:

Mika Zibanejad
1st pick 2013
Ben Bishop

To the Sens:

Keith Yandle

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I think it fits both teams' needs without shortchanging either. Yandle is a very valuable defenceman and would fit perfectly into MacLean's system, while Zibanejad has shown flashes of elite potential and the 1st should be a mid-rounder in a deep draft and Ben Bishop (despite his abysmal showing recently) has potential and if nothing else gives the Yotes some help in net.
As a Sens fan I'd be pretty hesitant about this deal. It looks awfully close to the Kessel deal which has haunted the Leafs for years.

A #6 overall, a 1st in a very deep draft and Bishop is about the equivalent of a 2nd. Don't forget that all non playoff teams have a chance at 1st overall now so trading it this early in the season is very risky.

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01-26-2013, 10:56 PM
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Really? If you had Malkin, Crosby, Stamkos or Tavares would you consider trading them for either of Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Doughty or Weber?

Yandle is good, but no D-Man in the league will return a #1 Center +.
You can be a #1 center and not be one of Malkin, Crosby, Stamkos, or Tavares. Clearly Yandle wouldn't garner one of them with a + or even alone, however someone like Stastny, Krejci, or Zajac isn't out of line. Then to add say a 3rd or 4th round pick in there just to even things up a bit? I think that would be a pretty fair trade that if a team that needed his services brought to GMDM he might take them up on it.

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01-26-2013, 11:10 PM
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uh didn't phoenix go to the conference finals last year? why would they trade pieces from their team for stuff that would not help them at all this season?

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uh didn't phoenix go to the conference finals last year? why would they trade pieces from their team for stuff that would not help them at all this season?
They wouldn't

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Both teams say no. Lehner means more to Ottawa than Yandle would.

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01-27-2013, 07:14 AM
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The same amount as when they had Chara, Redden and the Norris winning Karlsson.

Which teams do you think will be prepared to trade a #1 C for Yandle? And then tell me what you'd expect those teams to add on top.
Maybe not Yandle, but OEL, and the others you mentioned in your previous post sure would.

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