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01-26-2013, 04:36 PM
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Topic title is a misleading stereotype. We have d-men. Lots. A myriad of bottom pairing guys and, when healthy, five reliable two through five guys. What we lack is point producers on the back-end and an anchor for the first pairing. Therefore someone as valuable as Couturier isn't being traded unless its for one of the two at least.

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01-26-2013, 05:19 PM
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I think you are one of the few Flyer fans who would consider trading "golden boy".

To me its a no-brainer. Looking at the upcoming UFA market and the available talent for top-end d-men it is clear that they are a premium. Finding a young top-pairing dman that is available is near impossible. (and let's leave Subban out of this conversation! lol)
I think the issue is this:

Couturier is not untouchable. He can be traded. However, the players that I would be targeting if I'm moving him are not available and the players that other fans are offering are not players I would move Couturier for. So at this point, the Flyers either massively overpay on a player that doesn't really fit their needs or they make do with passable spare parts. Not a great position to be in.

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01-26-2013, 05:33 PM
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I think we will be fine without any outside signings. Here is what we have right now as of tonight vs. the Panthers:

Schenn - Timonen
Coburn - Gervais
Grossman - Foster/Lilja

And Eric Gustaffson is back playing with the Phantoms and the Flyers are very high and he is a mobile, albeit small defenseman that can hold his own. So I don't see any signings or trades.
With the small season, Timonen is sure to wear down some. Granted Gus should help a bit, but relying on Gervais or Foster is really dangerous. Schenn and Grossmann are pretty immobile and haven't proven to be consistent yet.

Outside of Coburn, who can you really rely on?

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01-26-2013, 05:36 PM
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Sbisa is not just a mid pairing Dman though. He's a 22 year old top 4 defenseman who has potential to be top two. Not trying to convince you to agree to trade one of the two, but I'm just saying he's not just a mid pairing defenseman.

Fowler is way more valuable than both and has looked very dangerous past two games. He's as untouchable as it gets with Anaheim.
I think it's debatable that Sbisa is a top 4 guy right now. He certainly hasn't been one consistently.

I also don't think Sbisa gets you Couturier or Schenn. That deal would favor Anaheim in a big way, I think.

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01-26-2013, 05:36 PM
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whats your fascination with us getting Sopel? Seriously?? Ive seen it here and the Sopel rumor boards WTH?
I'm entertaining myself.

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01-26-2013, 08:24 PM
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Dude, that is awful. Flyers sre very high if they stick it out with that group!
When the other option is moving Couturier for someone who doesn't really fill the hole anyway, "stick it out" is still the best option.

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01-26-2013, 08:29 PM
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When the other option is moving Couturier for someone who doesn't really fill the hole anyway, "stick it out" is still the best option.
Seems to me that "stick it out" is the only real option the Flyers have. There is no one available that could fill the top pairing Dman need for the Flyers. Those types of dmen are rarely traded and i don't see anyone like that in the upcoming crop of UFAs. Only option may be to draft your own!

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01-26-2013, 08:59 PM
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Phaneuf could be a good fit.

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Seems to me that "stick it out" is the only real option the Flyers have. There is no one available that could fill the top pairing Dman need for the Flyers. Those types of dmen are rarely traded and i don't see anyone like that in the upcoming crop of UFAs. Only option may be to draft your own!
Stick it out is the only option for this year, but other options open up when money comes off the books and with subsequent drafts, etc. And who knows what the roster makeup looks like in a year or two anyway depending on how certain guys do or don't develop (i.e. a strong year from B.Schenn and Laughton may mean an attractive package can be made for someone with the depth there).

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01-26-2013, 09:40 PM
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Phaneuf could be a good fit.
Phaneuf is an overpaid #2 D man. Stlii living off of Rep when he was good with Calgary. Has a good shot...can't hit the net. Likes to hit...but takes himself out of the play to make that hit. Toronto can keep him and hope Carlye can teach him how to play D.

Edit: with Philly having Timonen, Coburn. Schenn, Mez, and Grossman...they have D. They need a #1. And have since Pronger got injured.

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01-26-2013, 10:07 PM
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And equally as ridiculous are Flyer fans thinking they can get a young top-pairing dman without dealing away Schenn or Couturier ++ in a package.
I like it.

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01-26-2013, 10:11 PM
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The Wings "gift" you the Great, Kyle Quincey!
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Isn't a second pairing defenseman a mid pairing Dman?

And I'll agree that Fowler is more valuable, but I think you're underestimating how much the Flyers value Couturier/Schenn. Couturier is about as untouchable to Philly as Fowler is to Anaheim.



I'd deal Couturier+ for a young top-pairing Dman, but at this point, none of them are available.
There might be.

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01-26-2013, 10:12 PM
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braun+2nd for simmonds?

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01-26-2013, 10:13 PM
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What would Philly be prepared to pay for Phaneuf?

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01-26-2013, 10:21 PM
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The flyers are gonna take Subban for Couturier and that is FINAL.

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01-26-2013, 10:33 PM
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The flyers are gonna take Subban for Couturier and that is FINAL.
The only way you will ever see Couturier in a Montreal jersey is in your dreams.

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01-26-2013, 10:55 PM
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Maybe there is a deal to based on these pairs:

Gormley + Klesla
B. Schenn + L. Schenn

Details should be tweaked to even out all the values, but could help both teams.

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What would Philly be prepared to pay for Phaneuf?
see who no one has answered you yet? Guess that's a no thanks.

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01-27-2013, 12:12 AM
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If we are trading Schenn or Couturier, it's for Fowler.

However, I don't see Schenn being traded away anyways unless it's for a package with both of the Schenn brothers
The fact that Couturier is even being mentioned in trade proposals for a defenseman starkly reveals what a terrible gaffe the clueless Paul Holmgren was in selecting him with the #8 pick in the 2011 entry draft, over budding franchise defenseman Dougie Hamilton. One can only wonder where Holmgren's head was, considering their desperate need of a young stud defenseman.

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The fact that Couturier is even being mentioned in trade proposals for a defenseman starkly reveals what a terrible gaffe the clueless Paul Holmgren was in selecting him with the #8 pick in the 2011 entry draft, over budding franchise defenseman Dougie Hamilton. One can only wonder where Holmgren's head was, considering their desperate need of a young stud defenseman.
The hilarious part is how all these threads aren't started by Flyers fans . We could use a #1 defenseman... many teams are in the same boat, but our defensive core is far from terrible. They've actually played very well @ even strength thus far. 4 ES goals against in 5 games.

You also won't hear any Flyers fans complaining about Couturier or longing for Dougie. Maybe that should tell you something?

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01-27-2013, 01:34 AM
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The flyers are gonna take Subban for Couturier and that is FINAL.
The habs don't need Couturier
We have all the centers we need and Plekanec and Eller are excellent defensive centers

start with Simmonds +
or the Schenn brothers

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Maybe there is a deal to based on these pairs:

Gormley + Klesla
B. Schenn + L. Schenn

Details should be tweaked to even out all the values, but could help both teams.
Klesla is not needed at all.
We won't trade B.Schenn for someone completely unproven.

If you want the brothers, give us OEL.

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Schenn, Schenn
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Fowler and what?

Are we talking Rakell, Etem, Cogliano?

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Fowler isn't being traded for the Schenn brothers.

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