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01-27-2013, 07:56 AM
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Mario Tremblay+Rejean Houle
(Roy for Kovalenko/Rucinsky/Thibault).

Bergevin+Therrien
(Subban lowballing/major insult...really afraid they will trade Subban).

When the **** are we going to have a real GM? Real coach?
Bergevin and Therrien should be managing/coaching Les Nordiques, and not our Habs.

I really hope someone intervenes before Bergevin (very low I.Q. madman) trades Subban. Molson? Help? Someone stop this madman from being Habs' GM...please.

If there's a protest to fire Bergevin in order for someone else to sign Subban...I'll be there (I swear)...and I hope all of you will be there as well. I don't want another Roy for a bag of **** trade to happen. Roy, McDonagh...and now we may lose Subban? I won't be able to take it.
Remember who your last crusade was against? How did that turn out?

I'd take a deep breath and let things play out before we crucify anyone. Remember, it's not like PK's in a unique situation. Benn missed some games for the same reason, as well as Ryan O'Reilly.

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01-27-2013, 07:57 AM
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Bergevin ex-Subban has been actually damn good so far, IHMO. I will await to see further results before slamming him down.

and Subban's situation hasn't finished yet. How about we see the endgame before calling it a failure?
How so? He got an ok deal out of max, and a bad deal out of price/prust.

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How so? He got an ok deal out of max, and a bad deal out of price/prust.
Pacioretty's deal is more than OK.

How is Price a bad deal?

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How so? He got an ok deal out of max, and a bad deal out of price/prust.
Bad deal out of Price? Bad deal out of Prust?

Man, you haven't watched much games so far, haven't you?

He also signed Armstrong and Bouillon. The 1st hasn't been incredible, but the 2nd has actually played strong for us so far.

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What if he traded for McDonagh.
Not the best time to try and get McDonagh (very very high value right now!).

And...(hypothetical) sure! But keep Subban.
Hypothetical/fantasy/bad trade example,etc,,etc...Desharnais+Weber+2nd Rnd for McDonagh.


This D should win you a Cup, imo:
McDonagh-Subban
Markov-Emelin
Gorges-Bouillon/Diaz

Price


We don't have McDonagh anymore...so it's even more crucial to keep Subban...we can't keep losing such amazing dmen (Chelios, McDonagh, and maybe soon Subban).
Lose/trade Subban?
No ****ing way.
I'd rather lose/fire Bergevin.

Imo, with Subban in the D lineup right now we are only (maybe) one solid top 4 dman from being a dangerous sleeper team in playoffs. Then again...Subban on one line , Markov on another, and Gorges on the third pairing can make for a very solid top 6. We just need to sign Subban and pray Markov stays healthy for the first time in 3 1/2 years.


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01-27-2013, 08:01 AM
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Bad deal out of Price? Bad deal out of Prust?

Man, you haven't watched much games so far, haven't you?

He also signed Armstrong and Bouillon. The 1st hasn't been incredible, but the 2nd has actually played strong for us so far.
The Prust deal isn't bad at all by itself, but if that's what's keeping them from having enough money to sign Subban without lowballing him, it's incredibly dumb.

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Well have at it, when we can't sign our next break out because he wants what he is worth and we have no money because everyone wants what they are worth then we can continue to hover at 14th draft and be another decade of darkness. For that matter, maybe patches should have held out for 6-7 mill like other wingers of his caliber. YOu know number one winger and all.

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01-27-2013, 08:04 AM
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Name another then.

"Doughty Money", you did said there was several reliable sources that claimed that.
Subban refuted himself, next.

The deal being offered by MB is what is being rumored. I'm 99% sure those numbers are correct.

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The Prust deal isn't bad at all by itself, but if that's what's keeping them from having enough money to sign Subban without lowballing him, it's incredibly dumb.
So it's not BAD CONTRACT, it's simply bad cap management.

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Name another then.

"Doughty Money", you did said there was several reliable sources that claimed that.
I was using the title of the thread man. Would you feel better if I said 5.5+?

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I was using the title of the thread man. Would you feel better if I said 5.5+?
Yes. It would make you less of a liar.

I wrote the thread title you refer to, dude. It was picked in derision to people like you.

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Pacioretty's deal is more than OK.

How is Price a bad deal?
Price and prust are over paid. A blind man who's never played hockey would have landed or kept those players with the money that MB threw at them.

Price is paid like the 3rd best goalie in the world and his performance hasn't been close, that's why.

Prust is a 4th liner. I don't think many more details need to be provided here.

Now were playing hardball with our 1-2 dman, it's beyond ridiculous. MB has been impressively unimpressive.

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So it's not BAD CONTRACT, it's simply bad cap management.
Bad cap management is signing players long-term to huge contracts when you have little cap space. AKA Bryzgalov, Gomez... Prust at 2.5 is easy to manage. He can be traded no problem. It's not a huge liability. Signing Subban to a long-term 5ish contract would put us against the cap this year and we'll be very very thing next year. The PK deal is all about cap management over the next two years which will be very tight.

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The Prust deal isn't bad at all by itself, but if that's what's keeping them from having enough money to sign Subban without lowballing him, it's incredibly dumb.
Then it wouldnt be because of Prust, it would be because of Kaberle and his contract, to which Bergevin had nothing to do with.

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I agree that it is bizarre to be playing hardball with Subban who is supposed to be part of the core of this team.

I'm telling you guys MB is trying to make an example out of Subban for future prospects. The Habs want the bridge contracts to become standard in its organization.

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Bad cap management is signing players long-term to huge contracts when you have little cap space. AKA Bryzgalov, Gomez... Prust at 2.5 is easy to manage. He can be traded no problem. It's not a huge liability. Signing Subban to a long-term 5ish contract would put us against the cap this year and we'll be very very thing next year. The PK deal is all about cap management over the next two years which will be very tight.
Bad cap management is having Kaberle on your lineup @ 4.25M$.

It's not signing Price or Prust at the money they got.

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Bad cap management is signing players long-term to huge contracts when you have little cap space. AKA Bryzgalov, Gomez... Prust at 2.5 is easy to manage. He can be traded no problem. It's not a huge liability. Signing Subban to a long-term 5ish contract would put us against the cap this year and we'll be very very thing next year. The PK deal is all about cap management over the next two years which will be very tight.
No signing 4th liners to 4 year contracts that are completely inflated is bad cap management, but you're right, it's unlikely to haunt us.

As for the poster asking if I've watched the games so far. I knew what Prust was all about long before those 3 games. I like Prust, but he's way overpaid, he's making double what he should be. Moen is a better hockey player.

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Price and prust are over paid. A blind man who's never played hockey would have landed or kept those players with the money that MB threw at them.

Price is paid like the 3rd best goalie in the world and his performance hasn't been close, that's why.

Prust is a 4th liner. I don't think many more details need to be provided here.

Now were playing hardball with our 1-2 dman, it's beyond ridiculous. MB has been impressively unimpressive.
I think this posts shows how little you know about hockey. Price is fine. He's been solid in nets/ Prust is not only a 4th line player. Have you watched him play at all this year. He's worth 2.5 million so far. PK has the potential to be #1-2D. I would argue that right now, the way Markov and Diaz have been playing PK would be more like #3-4D.Did you watch the NYR game last time? MDZ played great. Subban is not much better than him in all honesty. I like Subban and wish we can sign him but don't elevate him to another level and don't use Prust as an example. The average salary is 2.5 million in the league, median is 1.4. If anything, Pust is just a few 100k overpaid.

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Well have at it, when we can't sign our next break out because he wants what he is worth and we have no money because everyone wants what they are worth then we can continue to hover at 14th draft and be another decade of darkness. For that matter, maybe patches should have held out for 6-7 mill like other wingers of his caliber. YOu know number one winger and all.
Right, because signing our homegrown talent to fair contracts has gotten us in the mess we're in rather than trading away young talent for overpaid, underperforming vets and signing UFA's to MASSIVE contracts....hmm?

Patches got a fair deal as did Price. If you think PK should sign a lowball offer then I hope you have no issue with your boss cutting your salary for the betterment of the company.

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Then it wouldnt be because of Prust, it would be because of Kaberle and his contract, to which Bergevin had nothing to do with.
The way Kaberle is playing I am sure MB is looking to find a way to get rid of him. Especially once Subban come back. Kaberle was an accident, with our injuries on D we had to do something.

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I think this posts shows how little you know about hockey. Price is fine. He's been solid in nets/ Prust is not only a 4th line player. Have you watched him play at all this year. He's worth 2.5 million so far. PK has the potential to be #1-2D. I would argue that right now, the way Markov and Diaz have been playing PK would be more like #3-4D.Did you watch the NYR game last time? MDZ played great. Subban is not much better than him in all honesty. I like Subban and wish we can sign him but don't elevate him to another level and don't use Prust as an example. The average salary is 2.5 million in the league, median is 1.4. If anything, Pust is just a few 100k overpaid.
LMAO. Have I watched him play this year? lol. I've watched Prust play for many years. If you're surprised than maybe you should watch more games outside of habs land.


I never said that Price is a problem, only that he's overpaid, a top 3 net minder he's not. He's very good, but paid like he's the best, he isn't.

Subban has proven he is a top 20 dman, he should be paid like one. The other deals MB made involved paying players like Price based on a level he hasn't reached yet, but he's unwilling to pay Subban the money for a level he has already reached. It's ridiculous. Defending him is even more ridiculous.

Edit: I didn't really read your posts in it's entirety, but questioning other peoples hockey knowledge and posting tripe like this is silly, because you watched MDZ have a good game you have concluded that Subban isn't much better than him. I'm glad I didn't get to hear your expert opinion when Gagner netted 8 points. It would probably go something like this " did you see gagner last night" I'm not sure that Hall is much better than him".


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No signing 4th liners to 4 year contracts that are completely inflated is bad cap management, but you're right, it's unlikely to haunt us.

As for the poster asking if I've watched the games so far. I knew what Prust was all about long before those 3 games. I like Prust, but he's way overpaid, he's making double what he should be. Moen is a better hockey player.
I think Prust has been doing better so fa this season. Moen's been solid since he's been with the Habs. Again, average salary in the league is 2.5M, median 1.4M. I don't have the numbers for the average $ amont of UFA contracts only but Iit would be higher than that in both cases. So I am not so worried abut Prust and its certainly not a good argument to bash MB about.Prust has been a good addition to the team

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I think this posts shows how little you know about hockey. Price is fine. He's been solid in nets/ Prust is not only a 4th line player. Have you watched him play at all this year. He's worth 2.5 million so far. PK has the potential to be #1-2D. I would argue that right now, the way Markov and Diaz have been playing PK would be more like #3-4D.Did you watch the NYR game last time? MDZ played great. Subban is not much better than him in all honesty. I like Subban and wish we can sign him but don't elevate him to another level and don't use Prust as an example. The average salary is 2.5 million in the league, median is 1.4. If anything, Pust is just a few 100k overpaid.
Saying PK would be 3-4 is laughable.

He'd be #2 behind Markov and its not even close, just because Diaz has been great on the PP so far doesn't make him a better defenseman than Subban. A lot of the success is attributed to Markov, all Diaz has to do is show patience and cycle the puck which he has done extremely well to his credit.

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Well, some guys are now eveluated Canadiens/Bergevin based on just Subban contract negotiations. This one eyed fanatisicm caused by just one young player is unbelievable.

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The way Kaberle is playing I am sure MB is looking to find a way to get rid of him. Especially once Subban come back. Kaberle was an accident, with our injuries on D we had to do something.
Kaberle was not an accident, it was a stupid decision given his contract, the way the team was playing and where he was in his career.

Now they have to buy him out in the summer.

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