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01-27-2013, 09:25 AM
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Talk of people wanting to trade Kessel is probably not that crazy IF there is a prize this summer we can get.

Corey Perry.

If the Leafs can sign Perry this summer or make a deal for him at the deadline then Kessel does become movable.

Say we did sign Perry. I wonder if COL would do Kessel for Duchene straight up.

You replace Kessel with Perry who is a better all around player and get Duchene to center Lupul and Perry
I like Duchane BUT he is not worth Kessel straight up at all!

More like Duchene + 1st for Kessel and then there would be some thought IF we sign Perry.

Otherwise nah

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01-27-2013, 09:36 AM
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I like Duchane BUT he is not worth Kessel straight up at all!

More like Duchene + 1st for Kessel and then there would be some thought IF we sign Perry.

Otherwise nah
Yea. The guy who at age 19 scored more points than any of Kessels seasons with the exception of last season when he was 24.. Isnt nearly worth Kessel, they have to add a early to mid-1st in a very deep draft....

Not to mention he's a centre, and centres are more valuable than wingers.

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They would hang up the phone.....quickly.

They would probably have interest in JVR.
JVR would cost them ROR alone, IMO. But the problem is we need to keep guys like Kessel and JVR to play with the centre we get coming back. If we don't, we're spinning our wheels trying to trade guys like Frattin, Mac, Bozak and Kulemin for wingers that can score. We swap one problem for another.

If we do Kulemin, Franson and a 2nd for ROR, where does Bozak play?

The next move from Carlyle, given the injuries we have, is to go:

JVR - Kadri - Kessel
Frattin -Grabo - Kule
Komarov - Bozak - Call-up
Brown - McClement - Orr

If we don't send a C when getting one, we're logjammed, and a deal only makes sense if a team is willing to take back a Centre in return, which is rather counter-productive for most teams (unless you are Colorado and can't sign the guy).

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01-27-2013, 09:56 AM
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They would hang up the phone.....quickly.

They would probably have interest in JVR.
I could definitely see Bozak being of interest. Local hero in Denver, as he played for the University of Denver pioneers. Perfect fit as a third line center behind Duchene and Statsny.

The plus would have to be quite substantial, as O'Reilly has so much more potential. I would imagine they would as for our 1st rounder back with Bozak, but you know that Nonis would never trade it. If we counter with a second rounder, and give them someone like Blacker or Percy, they might bite.

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01-27-2013, 10:10 AM
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JVR-Duchene-Perry
Lupul-Grabovski-Kulemin
Clowe-Kadri-Frattin
Komarov-McClement-Brown
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Phaneuf-Kostka
Gardiner-Komisarek
Liles-Holzer

Kessel + Bozak for Duchene + 1st
MacArthur + Franson for Clowe
Sign Perry or throw a deal for him at deadline


Leafs 1st - draft Monohan
Avalanche 1st - draft Pulock/Nurse

Top forward prospects: Monohan (future 2-way top 6 C), Biggs (2nd/3rd line PWF)
Top defense prospects: Rielly (top pairing OFD), Pulock/Nurse (top pairing/top 4 TWD), Finn (2nd pairing TWD), Percy (bottom pairing DFD)

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01-27-2013, 10:12 AM
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Trade Phaneuf & Kessel

Leafs can't make the playoffs with Phaneuf & Kessel being our top 2 players it's time to move these 2 in a trade for rebuilding blocks. Phaneuf is not a good captain look at last years epic collapse with this guy as the teams leader and now we are seeing signs of being the exact same team again folding in games whenever the opposition continually pressures our defense. In fact it is the same team. I also don't want to have a captain leading the team that turtles when challenged skates to the bench then chirps. Trade Phaneuf at the deadline for a pick or prospects get whatever we can to whatever team that will take his contract.

Contending teams will be interested in trading a pick or prospects for Kessel. Kessel would be a good addition piece to a contender he is not the 2 way centreman forward scorer that we need to rebuild. Trade Kessel now before he walks in FA and we get nothing in return for the enormous price paid for him by Burke.

Leafs need a proper rebuild and we have to start by stock piling picks and prospects. The draft is fairly deep this year we could also trade Phaneuf and Kessel for picks and position to draft a potential #1 goalie or #1 centerman.


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01-27-2013, 10:15 AM
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01-27-2013, 10:24 AM
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So you want our captain taking every challenge thrown his way? Keep him off the ice for 5 mins while kostka tries to run ship. Uh no thanks

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01-27-2013, 10:25 AM
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You can give Dion away - could care less if we got anything in return for him.

I don't think Kessels value is very high around the league at all ... I've heard Ryan O'Reilly + 2nd I'd do it at this point.


You're 2 favorite players are Cancer on this roster. Cut them out. Like the guy who Brought them in.

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01-27-2013, 10:28 AM
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More scuttlebutt from HB about the need around the league for defensive help. Seeing as how we have a glut of defensive depth, we could really cash in on the sellers market.

IMO all our D save Gardiner should be available for the right price.

My hope is that we could target deals like the Pittsburgh / Dallas deal that sent a top-4 D to Dallas in return for a top-6 D and a top-6 forward.

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01-27-2013, 10:35 AM
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Re-sign Kessel. 8 years, 7.5 million. I'd rather have him than overrated "Picks".

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01-27-2013, 10:36 AM
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Gotta love how everyone panics after a few bad games. Dion's been better than Phil this year, but just because there aren't enough good pieces surrounding them, doesn't mean you get rid of them. When you play in your zone the whole night, the D is eventually going to get worn down, particularly by the size and talent of the Rangers top line. This isn't Dion's fault that the offence couldn't get the puck in the Rangers zone, or keep it there for sustained periods.

Look, our team just isn't good enough yet to compete against the big boys. We've got some nice pieces, Kadri has been playing great, and that is a good sign for the future. We've seen good things out of JvR, Lupul, Kadri, Grabovski, Kulemin, Komarov... Bozak has played well for who he is, can't really fault him for effort. However, Bozak isn't a legit #1C.

With Lupul out, and a lack of a #1C, we are too easy to shut down right now.

I know it isn't fun watching our Leafs get beaten like that, but I really don't know how people expected things to be any different this year. A couple of good results and all of the sudden people forget the team we actually have.

...and really, Mike Kotska as a #2 D? No disrespect to the guy, he's playing his heart out, but it looks like a tank move.

Not winnin' for MacKinnon...LOL

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01-27-2013, 10:40 AM
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You can give Dion away - could care less if we got anything in return for him.

I don't think Kessels value is very high around the league at all ... I've heard Ryan O'Reilly + 2nd I'd do it at this point.


You're 2 favorite players are Cancer on this roster. Cut them out. Like the guy who Brought them in.
There are 4 top center's projected to go in the top 10.

And the 2 top ranked goalies in the 1st round could be future #1's.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...-rankings.html

1. Nathan MacKinnon, C, Halifax

Though his role with Canada at the world juniors was limited, it did prove that the dynamic offensive presence can also play a complete game and a physical one, at that. Scouts werenít flustered, either; they love his explosiveness and North American pro game.

2. Seth Jones, D, Portland

A key to Team USAís gold medal performance at the world juniors, Jones locked down some of the most dangerous opponents thrown at him while also demonstrating his puck-moving abilities. Heís got the offense, the defense and the edge. Is there anything else?

3. Jonathan Drouin, LW, Halifax

The highlight-reel type of player that everyone loves. Drouin has an unparalleled set of hands for his age and teams them with vision for deadly results. Size is a slight drawback, but only in a nitpicky way that wonít affect his stock too much.

4. Sasha Barkov, C, Tappara

Had a decent world juniors, though Finland as a whole disappointed. The son of a local hero is dealing with an incredible amount of hype back home, but is still putting up points and his big frame makes him an enviable asset for the future.

5. Elias Lindholm, C, Brynas

As part of a young Swedish team that surprised the WJC in earning a silver medal, Lindholm backed up his stature as a two-way player who can really contribute. He showed great hands in Russia and a commitment to defense.

6. Sean Monahan, C, Ottawa

With the 67ís stripping themselves down for a rebuild, Monahan is pretty much on his own for the rest of the season. That may hurt his stats (and definitely his plus-minus), but at his core heís still an intelligent player with a great frame and excellent offensive capabilities.

7. Robert Hagg, D, Modo

Another breakout player at the world juniors, Hagg was a late injury replacement for the Swedes, but ended up playing an integral shutdown role on the blueline, taking on Nail Yakupov head-to-head. On top of defensive prowess, Hagg can also rush the puck with ease.

8. Rasmus Ristolainen, D, TPS

Surrounded by locked-out NHLers before heading to the world juniors, the big Finnish kid gained valuable experience in his nationís top league. In Russia, he was surly without being careless and proved himself to be a threat at both ends of the ice.

9. Hunter Shinkaruk, LW, Medicine Hat

Points machine on a middling Tigers team has a mid-sized frame, but his speed is his main gift. Paired with that explosiveness, Shinkaruk also has great offensive skills and with time he has the character to become a more complete player.

10. Adam Erne, RW, Quebec

The points kept coming even without Mikhail Grigorenko around and Erne is now the Rempartsí leading scorer. A power forward in the making, Erne is getting great direction from Patrick Roy in Quebec and heís not afraid to mix it up in the corners.

11. Darnell Nurse, D, Sault Ste. Marie
12. Curtis Lazar, C, Edmonton
13. Valery Nichushkin, LW, Chelyabinsk
14. Anthony Mantha, LW, Val díOr
15. Josh Morrissey, D, Prince Albert
16. Morgan Klimchuk, LW, Regina
17. Jacob De La Rose, LW, Leksands
18. Ryan Pulock, D, Brandon
19. Frederik Gauthier, C, Rimouski
20. Valentin Zykov, RW, Baie Comeau
21. Zach (Zachary) Fucale, G, Halifax
22. Nikita Zadorov, D, London
23. Artturi Lehkonen, LW, Kalpa
24. Max Domi, C, London
25. Steve Santini, D, USNDTP
26. Jason Dickinson, LW, Guelph
27. Ian McCoshen, D, Warterloo
28. Eric Comrie, G, Tri City
29. Alexander Wennberg, C, Djurgardens
30. Kerby Rychel, LW, Windsor

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01-27-2013, 10:41 AM
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Kessel will look great with our franchise centre we draft next June. Keep him. Kessel is an elite talent. He can get PPG with Tyler Bozak. There's a handul of guys who can do that.

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01-27-2013, 10:46 AM
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Gotta love how everyone panics after a few bad games.
same guy who is one of those "there's always next year" or "no worries we will get em next time" dudes....

buy they went a whole CBA without making the playoffs and their record is no better with these leaders then it was before they came.. Both are compliment pieces to an elite foundation, not elite leaders..

Stop saying fans are frustrated cause we are 5 games in... this goes back a long ways for some.. its a build up of on going losing...

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01-27-2013, 10:48 AM
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And the 2 top ranked goalies in the 1st round could be future #1's.
I don't dispute this in the least.

However goalies take a LONG time to develop.

Schneider is just pushing out Luongo, drafted in 2004.
Markstrom is the great hope in Florida, not there yet, drafted in 2008.

It is a sound practice to build your pipeline of goalies, but I don't believe any drafted goalie will be able to help this team in the next five-six years.

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01-27-2013, 10:52 AM
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same guy who is one of those "there's always next year" or "no worries we will get em next time" dudes....

buy they went a whole CBA without making the playoffs and their record is no better with these leaders then it was before they came.. Both are compliment pieces to an elite foundation, not elite leaders..

Stop saying fans are frustrated cause we are 5 games in... this goes back a long ways for some.. its a build up of on going losing...
They the same 80% that supported Burke up until he was Fired.

The same group that were elated with Wilsons' Contract Extension.

The same group that thinks were gonna make the playoffs every year.



Admitting your wrong can be hard - but being wrong over and over and over without even acknoledging that something might be 'wrong' - is just plain ignorant.

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same guy who is one of those "there's always next year" or "no worries we will get em next time" dudes....

buy they went a whole CBA without making the playoffs and their record is no better with these leaders then it was before they came.. Both are compliment pieces to an elite foundation, not elite leaders..

Stop saying fans are frustrated cause we are 5 games in... this goes back a long ways for some.. its a build up of on going losing...
I don't dispute that these are compliment pieces. Phaneuf is overpaid for what he brings, no question. It's not the frustration that is the biggest issue, it's the over reaction. Fans always want to make a trade, to fix things now somehow. Somehow people didn't see this type of play coming?

While I would agree that the amount of points is no better than the pre-Burke period, I do believe we have started to build a foundation of decent young players and prospects. Hopefully we can draft one more excellent piece this year, and pick up some critical UFA's. It has been apparent for several years that this team was setup for this upcoming UFA season.

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01-27-2013, 10:56 AM
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I think trading Phaneuf and getting something good in return wouldn't be a bad thing. Say if someone like EDM offers Smid+, I wouldn't mind pulling the trigger.

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01-27-2013, 11:03 AM
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There are 4 top center's projected to go in the top 10.

And the 2 top ranked goalies in the 1st round could be future #1's.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...-rankings.html

1. Nathan MacKinnon, C, Halifax

Though his role with Canada at the world juniors was limited, it did prove that the dynamic offensive presence can also play a complete game and a physical one, at that. Scouts werenít flustered, either; they love his explosiveness and North American pro game.

2. Seth Jones, D, Portland

A key to Team USAís gold medal performance at the world juniors, Jones locked down some of the most dangerous opponents thrown at him while also demonstrating his puck-moving abilities. Heís got the offense, the defense and the edge. Is there anything else?

3. Jonathan Drouin, LW, Halifax

The highlight-reel type of player that everyone loves. Drouin has an unparalleled set of hands for his age and teams them with vision for deadly results. Size is a slight drawback, but only in a nitpicky way that wonít affect his stock too much.

4. Sasha Barkov, C, Tappara

Had a decent world juniors, though Finland as a whole disappointed. The son of a local hero is dealing with an incredible amount of hype back home, but is still putting up points and his big frame makes him an enviable asset for the future.

5. Elias Lindholm, C, Brynas

As part of a young Swedish team that surprised the WJC in earning a silver medal, Lindholm backed up his stature as a two-way player who can really contribute. He showed great hands in Russia and a commitment to defense.

6. Sean Monahan, C, Ottawa

With the 67ís stripping themselves down for a rebuild, Monahan is pretty much on his own for the rest of the season. That may hurt his stats (and definitely his plus-minus), but at his core heís still an intelligent player with a great frame and excellent offensive capabilities.

7. Robert Hagg, D, Modo

Another breakout player at the world juniors, Hagg was a late injury replacement for the Swedes, but ended up playing an integral shutdown role on the blueline, taking on Nail Yakupov head-to-head. On top of defensive prowess, Hagg can also rush the puck with ease.

8. Rasmus Ristolainen, D, TPS

Surrounded by locked-out NHLers before heading to the world juniors, the big Finnish kid gained valuable experience in his nationís top league. In Russia, he was surly without being careless and proved himself to be a threat at both ends of the ice.

9. Hunter Shinkaruk, LW, Medicine Hat

Points machine on a middling Tigers team has a mid-sized frame, but his speed is his main gift. Paired with that explosiveness, Shinkaruk also has great offensive skills and with time he has the character to become a more complete player.

10. Adam Erne, RW, Quebec

The points kept coming even without Mikhail Grigorenko around and Erne is now the Rempartsí leading scorer. A power forward in the making, Erne is getting great direction from Patrick Roy in Quebec and heís not afraid to mix it up in the corners.

11. Darnell Nurse, D, Sault Ste. Marie
12. Curtis Lazar, C, Edmonton
13. Valery Nichushkin, LW, Chelyabinsk
14. Anthony Mantha, LW, Val díOr
15. Josh Morrissey, D, Prince Albert
16. Morgan Klimchuk, LW, Regina
17. Jacob De La Rose, LW, Leksands
18. Ryan Pulock, D, Brandon
19. Frederik Gauthier, C, Rimouski
20. Valentin Zykov, RW, Baie Comeau
21. Zach (Zachary) Fucale, G, Halifax
22. Nikita Zadorov, D, London
23. Artturi Lehkonen, LW, Kalpa
24. Max Domi, C, London
25. Steve Santini, D, USNDTP
26. Jason Dickinson, LW, Guelph
27. Ian McCoshen, D, Warterloo
28. Eric Comrie, G, Tri City
29. Alexander Wennberg, C, Djurgardens
30. Kerby Rychel, LW, Windsor
Everyone should read this once or twice.

We're in good shape. This is the year we WANT to lose and suck.

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01-27-2013, 11:09 AM
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You can give Dion away - could care less if we got anything in return for him.

I don't think Kessels value is very high around the league at all ... I've heard Ryan O'Reilly + 2nd I'd do it at this point.


You're 2 favorite players are Cancer on this roster. Cut them out. Like the guy who Brought them in.
Where did you hear that (Kessel valuation), the HF boards trade rumour thread? Because you know, that's where GM's look for trade values. Before every trade they secretly make a "Value of" thread just to see what the all knowing posters of HF boards think of a particular deal.

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Kessel is an elite winger. Phaneuf is a very good dman. We need to add to these guys.

Time to quite overpaying 2nd liners like Grabo, CMac. Trade both of them.

If we can good value for Liles and Komisarek trade them. Not likely though so they probably stay.

Trade Franson cause his skillset is redundant here.

Trade Bozak and Gunnarson if they want significant raises.

Build around Kessel, Lupul, JVR, Kadri, Rielly, Phaneuf, Gardiner and our 1st rounder. Have lots of extra picks in a good draft and loads of cap room in a good free agency group.

This team isn`t as far away as people think. We`ve got some nice pieces but we need to add 2-3 more core pieces and just give our youngs guy like Gardiner, Rielly, Kadri a bit more time. Add in a top 5 or 10 pick and a key free agent plus stocking up on lots of extra picks in a deep draft is the way to build this team up for years to come.

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I think trading Phaneuf and getting something good in return wouldn't be a bad thing. Say if someone like EDM offers Smid+, I wouldn't mind pulling the trigger.
Phaneuf for Smid+?

Are you serious?

Luke freaking Schenn got us JvR

and Phaneuf is at least 5x better than Schenn.

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Look, I've got no issue with trading Phaneuf, or Kessel, but I'm not a proponent of shopping them because we "need" to get rid of them. If someone offered us a package that would likely improve the future of our team, then we would have to take a good look at it. I just doubt there are such trades available.

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is stastny worth a package offer?
starting with bozak and franson...)

duchesne looks to be their #1 now
stasnty is struggling

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