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01-27-2013, 09:30 AM
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so lets rebuild Ilya way.. and then lose 2 1st round picks because of cap circumvention.. good thinking NHL 13 GMs

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01-27-2013, 09:33 AM
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Throw all the money in the world at getzlaf (or perry), trade/amnesty grabo, kadri as 2c, amnesty liles and trade for a goalie.
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01-27-2013, 09:37 AM
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Well looks like edmonton is trying hard to tank this year.
I don't think those guys are stopping till they get a roster full of first round picks.

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01-27-2013, 09:41 AM
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I don't think those guys are stopping till they get a roster full of first round picks.
I think they definitely will tank and have their eye on Jones. With Paccioretty going down it looks like the Habs could give the Leafs a run for the basement as well.

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01-27-2013, 09:43 AM
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Canucks drafted the Sedins in 99 and didn't become contenders until 2011(first Presidents win).

Thats 12 years.
The 104 point season in 2002/2003 does not count as contending?

How about the 101 point season in 03/04, still not contending?

105 points in 06/07 still not contending? sheesh your hard to impress.

100 points in 08/09 ? nope? not yet?

103 points in 09/10 , still not good enough?

I like the bar you set, we leafs should be that discerning.

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01-27-2013, 09:47 AM
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Clearly the only answer is to find a wallet.
Ya, i love that moral code, nice example to set for the kids, eh?

Oh look, i found someones wallet , i think I'll just keep it and it's contents.

Great American values there Burkie.

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01-27-2013, 09:49 AM
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If Getzlaf and Perry reach UFA, the Leafs better go all in and overpay.

Buyout whoever is necessary to get it done. Guys like Perry and Getzlaf are hard to get and even if there is a 0.0001% chance of them becoming Leafs, the Leafs have got to try.

7.5-8x8 for both.

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01-27-2013, 09:49 AM
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The 104 point season in 2002/2003 does not count as contending?

How about the 101 point season in 03/04, still not contending?

105 points in 06/07 still not contending? sheesh your hard to impress.

100 points in 08/09 ? nope? not yet?

103 points in 09/10 , still not good enough?

I like the bar you set, we leafs should be that discerning.
ahhaha destroyed him

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01-27-2013, 09:56 AM
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Thank God we're not doing that until he's 42. It won't be too long before the Kovalchuk-type contracts will start looking bad.
In 8 years Kova will be 37 years old and a new CBA might be on the line and guess what will happen if a crap ton of these organizations have backed themselves into a world of sht, thanks to those contracts?

You don't think the majority of owners are going to have the power to correct this?

Seeing how they could be the majority in 8 years?

Is a 6.6m cap hit going to hurt all that much in 8 years, given cap inflation?

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I don't think those guys are stopping till they get a roster full of first round picks.
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Well looks like edmonton is trying hard to tank this year.
Oilers lack size and experience, but with Schultz they should be better, I don't think they will be their usual bad, but they should get a good pick this year.

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01-27-2013, 09:57 AM
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If Getzlaf and Perry reach UFA, the Leafs better go all in and overpay.

Buyout whoever is necessary to get it done. Guys like Perry and Getzlaf are hard to get and even if there is a 0.0001% chance of them becoming Leafs, the Leafs have got to try.

7.5-8x8 for both.
$7.5-8 is what I expect them to get from Anaheim. I'm thinking $11 million/7 years for each of them. We can't do 8 unless we trade for them. Or maybe a one year deal, handshake agreement and an 8 year contract coming afterwards? I'd do it.

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01-27-2013, 09:58 AM
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Blow what up exactly?

The leafs are the second youngest team in the NHL, have tons of cap space opening up and very few players under long term deals. There is nothing that needs "blowing up" here.

Leafs need to hold steady and tank this year with the players they have. Maybe shed a player or two at the deadline, and buyout komi. Thats it. Not a blow up situation like the caps need.
"tons of cap space opening up"?

you might want to check that again.

17.1m cap space with 10 players to sign, is not what i would call a "ton".

We lost our tonnage when the cap dropped.


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01-27-2013, 10:02 AM
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After week 1 and 1 Saturday's games.

1. Wash
2. Florida
3. Phonenix
4. Columbus
5. LA
6. Toronto
7. NY R
8. Phil
9. Det
10. Edm

Week 2 should see some of the usual suspects start to settle towards the bottom, and the better teams to rise to the top.

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01-27-2013, 10:06 AM
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Top 10 is not good enough.

Toronto needs #1 or #2 overall.

This team needs its Crosby, Stamkos or Tavares!
Yeah, we basically need someone so foolproof that it has to work out, and that means Mackinnon. And a rigged draft.

At this point it seems like being another Edmonton is the only real way to get out of the wilderness. Nothing seems to work with this franchise.

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01-27-2013, 10:07 AM
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I think they definitely will tank and have their eye on Jones. With Paccioretty going down it looks like the Habs could give the Leafs a run for the basement as well.
What was it they offered Subban 2.5? Is this a not so calculated tank move?

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"tons of cap space opening up"?

you might want to check that again.

17.1m cap space with 10 players to sign, is not what i would call a "ton".

We lost our tonnage when the cap dropped.
I think it's a given that Komisarek will be bought out. That's $4.5 million added to the pot. Though realistically, I think Lupul's contract is going to really prevent us from making a splash.

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01-27-2013, 10:08 AM
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Well looks like edmonton is trying hard to tank this year.
While we need to do some Edmonton style drafting, I think those guys are just lost in the woods to think they can do that kind of thing 4-5 years in a row and not bring in any veterans to help things along.

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01-27-2013, 10:08 AM
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Yeah, we basically need someone so foolproof that it has to work out, and that means Mackinnon. And a rigged draft.

At this point it seems like being another Edmonton is the only real way to get out of the wilderness. Nothing seems to work with this franchise.
I'd do massive cartwheels if we "only" ended up with Jones.

I could live with a Pronger type player for years to come.

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01-27-2013, 10:12 AM
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Rest assured just based on what moves they are not making and the way they are playing the team, they want a high draft. Good move on this waste year as well.

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01-27-2013, 10:14 AM
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I'd do massive cartwheels if we "only" ended up with Jones.

I could live with a Pronger type player for years to come.
My perfect offseason/trade deadline:

-Draft top 5, I don't care who we get in the top 5, they all seem like very talented players.
-Hope Perry wants to play close to home and signs with the Leafs
-Buyout Komisarek, and maybe even Liles if we're not going to utilize him properly
-Trade MacArthur, Franson, etc to the highest bidders and hopefully grab another 1st round pick
-Draft Fucale as a long term goalie prospect

We could have a top 5 consisting of this in a year or two:

Perry-#1C(drafted)-Kessel
Phaneuf-Rielly

If we draft Barkov, he's ready to play in the NHL. That kid has serious talent and is putting up great points against men.

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01-27-2013, 10:16 AM
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Trade MacA
Trade Stekel
Trade Franson

Trade Kessel
Trade Dion

Draft High in 2013

When UFA's see that we have our Nucleus in place - that we are on the rise - then they will begin to sign. Its absolutely dillusional to think Perry/Getz are coming to Toronto - even with all the money in the world thrown at them. Its not happeneing - this place is a wasteland.

It really isn't complicated folks - this aint working - it was never going to work - I've been preaching it for years - lets not wait another 7 before we collectively figure it out.

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01-27-2013, 10:17 AM
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While we need to do some Edmonton style drafting, I think those guys are just lost in the woods to think they can do that kind of thing 4-5 years in a row and not bring in any veterans to help things along.
Perhaps the Oilers will maneuvre themselves into a high draft position before the deadline and then deal their first pick along with a young player for an established top D-man. That is what they really need. I think we know as Leafs fans that a team shouldn't deal their 1st round pick but I think the Oilers could make an exception this year for the right player.

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Well looks like edmonton is trying hard to tank this year.
Jones would be a hell of a compliment to that young group.

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01-27-2013, 10:26 AM
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Liles
Grabovski
MacArthur
Bozak

We just need to pare down on some of these guys. They're all decent players but I think they bring too much of the same mid sized, various degrees of softness and replace them with players who come out with a lot more aggression. It's one thing to trot Orr out for a fight at the start of the night, but we basically need guys who will put the fear of God into big pansies like Rick Nash when they're trying to play their game.

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01-27-2013, 10:28 AM
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I'm going to say the same thing here I've been saying to my friends for some time, and it may be unpopular:
We simply can't look at this situation as not having made the playoffs since '03-04 or the cup since 1967. Put all that crap aside. One of my buddies was crying in his beer the other night that he just wants to make the playoffs, get in there, do SOMETHING. I totally disagree.
Am I pissed we haven't made the playoffs in so long? Of course. All I care about is building the proper foundation to be a contender year after year, and make sustained playoff runs.
We have a good foundation to build on I think. There's no need to 'tear anything down', what the hell are you tearing down? There are some good young pieces. People need to change their expectations though for this team for crying out loud.

They're going to have some good games, and a lot of bad ones. But we are not, I repeat NOT a team that's going to do a bloody thing if we happen to squeak into the postseason. If we do - great. But I don't want to sacrifice any young talent to make into that coveted 8th spot. Be patient and actually build. Anyone that believes that we're a Luongo away from making a dent in the playoffs is simply dreaming.

My two cents.

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