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What are the chances MacKinnon is a bust?

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01-24-2013, 07:45 PM
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MacKinnon kind of reminds me of a RH Hall.
He is essentially Hall with better hands.

Although I think Hall may be faster and plays more of a physical game.

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01-24-2013, 08:06 PM
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01-24-2013, 08:11 PM
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yeah he does play like hall

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01-24-2013, 08:22 PM
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He is essentially Hall with better hands.

Although I think Hall may be faster and plays more of a physical game.
Hall is very fast and extremely explosive but MacKinnon still takes it IMO.

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01-24-2013, 08:31 PM
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He is essentially Hall with better hands.

Although I think Hall may be faster and plays more of a physical game.
Hall is fast, but Nate definitely takes this. You're probably right about the physical game, but that could change once Nate matures. I still think Hall with better hands is a good comparison.

MacKinnon's first few steps are insane.

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01-24-2013, 09:16 PM
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Hall is fast, but Nate definitely takes this. You're probably right about the physical game, but that could change once Nate matures. I still think Hall with better hands is a good comparison.

MacKinnon's first few steps are insane.
My opinion: Hall's speed with Seguin's explosiveness.

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01-24-2013, 09:20 PM
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That's guys 14 years ago and 20. Lots has changed in scouting since then.

Johnson is a defence man to whoever brought him up, more bust potential. Look at the first forward taken in every draft since 99. Who's the worst? Jordan Staal? Who's second worst?

Nate is a pretty safe bet.
Exactly, his floor is as a very good 2nd line player and that's only if you ahve one of the top 10 centers in the league IMO.

He will be a top 10 center by 2016 in the NHL IMO.

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01-24-2013, 10:03 PM
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He's approximately in the same tier of prospect as Stamkos and Tavares were imo.

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01-24-2013, 10:12 PM
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He's approximately in the same tier of prospect as Stamkos and Tavares were imo.
Maybe Stamkos, not Tavares.

Stamkos has actually exceeded expectations which is not usual of a 1st overall pick. Tavares was a greater prospect than Stamkos or MacKinnon and will soon be in the NHL's elite along with Stamkos.

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01-24-2013, 10:14 PM
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No. Sorry. He doesn't have the floor of a 1st line player in the NHL.
what is his floor then? you are implying that his floor is less than top 30 at center, which given his two way game, seems highly improbable IMO.

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01-24-2013, 11:03 PM
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what is his floor then? you are implying that his floor is less than top 30 at center, which given his two way game, seems highly improbable IMO.
"Complete" is the first thing that comes to mind about MacKinnon. I'd put his absolute floor at 3rd liner Kesler (~15 min/night, 10-20 goal variety), with only slightly less defensive/more offensive inclination; before 3rd liner Kesler turned into semi-beast mode Kesler (20 min/night, 25-40 goal, ~70 point variety). Having said that, his ceiling could be "only" semi-beast mode Kesler honestly, lol. MacKinnon's game will be much more appreciated in the NHL, despite having it's obvious advantages right now against younger, smaller junior players.

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01-25-2013, 01:51 AM
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Maybe Stamkos, not Tavares.

Stamkos has actually exceeded expectations which is not usual of a 1st overall pick. Tavares was a greater prospect than Stamkos or MacKinnon and will soon be in the NHL's elite along with Stamkos.
Tavares was that until the last 4-6 months before the actual draft, he was over scrutinized. Stamkos was a sure fire first overall, where as Tavares had small (quite small imo) question marks of Hedman/Duchene passing him

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01-25-2013, 01:57 AM
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I agree. I do think MacKinnon has a slight edge in a few respects. I like his balance better, and his defensive game is ahead of where Hall's was at the same time, not that I would put much weight on the latter anyway. I do think he is a smarter player than Hall overall, while he does not play quite as physical a game (although it's still excellent for this type of talent).

I have high hopes for MacKinnon. If he ends up at the same level as Hall, then the team that drafts him will be ecstatic. As much as I am loving the Galchenyuk pick for Montreal, I think MacKinnon is a true game breaking forward that would work perfectly for Montreal in a 1-2 punch scenario down the middle. Of course, this is assuming Montreal somehow gets in a position to take him.
Tge way they are playing so far you can likely go pre order your MacKinnon jersey now.

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01-25-2013, 07:28 AM
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The only question surrounding Tavares at the draft was his skating ability

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01-25-2013, 10:07 AM
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Barring career altering injuries, I think there's no way he truly busts, he's a good top 6 forward at an absolute minimum IMO.

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01-25-2013, 10:41 AM
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Hall is fast, but Nate definitely takes this. You're probably right about the physical game, but that could change once Nate matures. I still think Hall with better hands is a good comparison.

MacKinnon's first few steps are insane.
Their skating styles are different though. Both have high top end speed. The way Hall skates make him look "slower" when he could be just as fast, if not faster. Nate's skating, his "hustle" looks more active, hence, perceived faster.

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01-25-2013, 05:10 PM
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About as likely as the chances of me going home with Miranda Cosgrove and Brittany Snow. There really are no holes in MacKinnon's game and his elite skating is really what makes it pretty much impossible.

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01-26-2013, 10:05 AM
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They aren't comets. Most comets are at least a few hundred metres across and are much rarer than asteroids, meteors, and general space debris. That said, there's a much greater chance that MacKinnon will be a bust, though I think he was being facetious.
I never said they were comets. Was just pointing out that space 'stuff' hitting earth is probably more common than he realized.

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01-27-2013, 07:29 AM
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You'd think he would though, considering he's better at hockey than all of them not named RNH.

Anyways, he's not going to "bust". He'll have a regular spot in the NHL regardless of production. He's big and skates better than many NHLers. Only thing that'll determine top 6 or bottom 6 is if he suddenly becomes stupid.
Maybe Huberdeau too.

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Not very high. Kid seems like he's the real deal.

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Bust or Not


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Almost zero chance. Drouin is much more likely to bust.

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01-27-2013, 02:42 PM
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No. Sorry. He doesn't have the floor of a 1st line player in the NHL.
Yeah. He kind of does. Barring a career injury.

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01-27-2013, 02:44 PM
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He is essentially Hall with better hands.

Although I think Hall may be faster and plays more of a physical game.
What? Lol

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Saw him last night against Quebec and I thought Drouin looked a lot better.

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