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01-27-2013, 05:09 PM
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U: Adam Oates, this team's "depth"

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01-27-2013, 05:10 PM
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Sure.

Of course it all depends on who you bring in...if you upgrade..I'm fine with it....

Change isn't all what its cracked out to be... I think we learned that over the last 4 years.
Was Dan Bylsma an upgrade over Michael Therrien? Apparently so, as he won the cup the year he was hired. Obviously we are two different teams but different coaches can have different effects on players. Lindy's message has gone stale and it's time for a new face in the locker room.

Never should've let Dineen go...

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I forgot to add Sulzer to my bad list.
Just not good with the puck in any zone.

Maybe its time to give him a rest for Weber and see which Mike Weber has been waiting in the wings.
Is it "Mr Force To Be Reckoned With" or "Mr. Live Grenade Hot Potato?"

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01-27-2013, 05:10 PM
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I'd just like to reiterate that I'm not exactly attached to Ruff. I'm even leaning towards the Sabres getting rid of him after the year if they miss the playoffs (and I'm one who doesn't think this roster is good enough to make the playoffs anyway).

But the depths certain posters will go to criticize him has been ridiculous over the last few seasons and borders on just flat out making **** up.

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01-27-2013, 05:11 PM
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No, people are tired of the same boring team, the same excuses and the constant "Why do they look like they don't give a flying **** tonight?"
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This is what is wrong with so many Ruff supporters. Yes, he's a good coach, but clearly it is not working anymore. Watching the Sabres and watching other team's play is like night and day. No execution, no passion, no fire. Other than the first 5 minutes of the game tonight's effort was just brutal.
Agreed. Year after year it's the same thing it seems.

We aren't passionate enough

We don't seem to have any chemistry

We can't complete the simplest of passes

Just bringing in a new attitude, a new voice in the locker room, could be a move in the right direction. Hell let Patrick or Teppo finish out the year. Failing that, give Ruff the rest of the season. If we don't win a playoff round, GTFO.

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01-27-2013, 05:11 PM
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The main reason I'd like to get rid of Lindy is because I'm just not sure the players buy into him.

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I didn't say IN the basement, I said near. As in the Sabres were nowhere NEAR the basement for all of his seasons except 1.

We were talking about his history (hence bolding for 15 years we've been bad or medicore). The fact is that the Sabres have very rarely been "bad" under Ruff.
So how long till we change it up? What's your criteria?

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01-27-2013, 05:12 PM
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This is what is wrong with so many Ruff supporters. Yes, he's a good coach, but clearly it is not working anymore. Watching the Sabres and watching other team's play is like night and day. No execution, no passion, no fire. Other than the first 5 minutes of the game tonight's effort was just brutal.

I'm fine with their effort this year...other than the 1st Carolina game.

Mental mistakes are killing us this year...not heart or effort.

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The main reason I'd like to get rid of Lindy is because I'm just not sure the players buy into him.
I want his system gone more than that. It's a passive, boring system.

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Have we ever been truly elite either? ?
Well, we won a president's trophy and have been near the leaders in points a couple of other times, so I would say we've been closer to elite more often than "bad".

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I want a good team more than i want a different coach.
A different coach could be part of making the current team better.

I'm not gonna go crazy and try to run Ruff out of town, but if after 15 years you aren't part of the solution, then you're part of the problem.

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01-27-2013, 05:13 PM
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The main reason I'd like to get rid of Lindy is because I'm just not sure the players buy into him.
And you're just a fan who has absolutely no idea in reality.

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Cool... We've never been in the basement... Cool... That's awesome really. We've also haven't been past the first round of the playoffs in the past 6 years but that's alright at least we're not in the basement.

I'd prefer to be in the basement.
Speaking as a Bills fan that's missed the playoffs for 13 years now, the basement ain't all what it's cracked up to be.

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01-27-2013, 05:13 PM
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G- Nothing.

B- a whole heck of a lot.

U- The thought of Terry Pegula handing out another undeserved big contract.

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I want his system gone more than that. It's a passive, boring system.
Now there is a legit reason.

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Speaking as a Bills fan that's missed the playoffs for 13 years now, the basement ain't all what it's cracked up to be.
Except the Bills never finish at the very bottom, which makes it that much harder for them..always not good enough for the playoffs, but not bad enough for a top 3-5 pick. Things would look a lot better if we had a RG3 or Luck.

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A different coach could be part of making the current team better.

I'm not gonna go crazy and try to run Ruff out of town, but if after 15 years you aren't part of the solution, then you're part of the problem.
Or worse.

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01-27-2013, 05:15 PM
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Well, we won a president's trophy and have been near the leaders in points a couple of other times, so I would say we've been closer to elite more often than "bad".
That team was straight up stacked, yet we still couldnt make it out of the east. Since briere and drury walked. What is it 2 playoffs in 5 seasons?

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And you're just a fan who has absolutely no idea in reality.
The reality is the record, the scoreboard, and what you see on the ice. All of which are below average.

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01-27-2013, 05:16 PM
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Or worse.
Won't know until we try will we?

We sure as **** haven't been getting it done the last half decade with him. Can't be afraid to take chances.

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G

Stafford
Ott
Sekera
Ennis
Scott?

Cheap euro beer at the liquor store today....Stiegl!


B

Too long to list

U

Face offs
Defensive zone coverage
Compete level
Key players look scared, won't play loose, Ruff in their heads????
Awesome! Where do you get Stiegl in the U.S.? Not my favorite Austrian beer, but better than most of this weak sauce dishwater North Americans don't feel embarrassed to call "beer".

G: -Foligno playing like Foligno in the third.
-Me being able to watch a game without losing too much sleep.

B: - Face offs
- Lazy ass Vanek. Didn't notice the ol' fatty the whole game

U: - Some of the whining around here. First four games: "Lindy needs to break up all lines outside VHP!" Todays game: "This constant line juggling keeps the team from building chemistry!"

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Was Dan Bylsma an upgrade over Michael Therrien? Apparently so, as he won the cup the year he was hired. Obviously we are two different teams but different coaches can have different effects on players. Lindy's message has gone stale and it's time for a new face in the locker room.

Never should've let Dineen go...
That's exactly the thing. The same guy with roughly the same group, the message can get pretty stale. The message may or may not be as strong as it used to be. When Tom Renney was fired and replaced by John Tortorella, the Rangers were a really... really... offensively lacking, maybe even close to abysmal team. Full of all grinders and soon Gaborik. Call me out in whether or not this is true, but it seems like the message that Torts was sending was a hell of a lot different. Players put much more effort in, and more jam and heart was shown. Could the Sabres have the same reaction to a new coach? Yeah. Do we know for sure? No. Main point is if I was big front office brass, I'd start searching for some options that could be a potential help.

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That team was straight up stacked, yet we still couldnt make it out of the east. Since briere and drury walked. What is it 2 playoffs in 5 seasons?
Gee, good team and they finish 1st in the entire NHL. Bad team and they finish out of the playoffs a couple times.

Go figure.

EDIT: I'm also not convinced that team was "stacked". Drury, Kotalik, Afinogenov, Kalinin, Tallinder, Novotny were all guys that really didn't do much in the league once they left Buffalo. Might be able to add Roy to that list too, we'll see. Even Briere hasn't been what he was here in Philly. That team was a team that just came together and meshed perfectly. And the coach absolutely deserves some credit for that.

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01-27-2013, 05:18 PM
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And you're just a fan who has absolutely no idea in reality.
And what are you? A fan that knows more than everyone else? Sure, Lindy isn''t the only problem, but he certainly IS a problem. The unfortunate thing for all of us is we have a jock sniffer for an owner that has deep pockets and is loyal to a fault.

This team is going noweherre is a hurry.

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Or worse.
How could a change be bad? We arent winning now, if we don't win with a new coach than hey same old. But why not roll the dice and see if a new coach can win

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