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01-27-2013, 06:36 PM
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for a Leafs rebuild!

This is not an overreaction thread, all I'm stating is the players we(the Leafs) rely on, are support players and should not be relied upon like they have been in Toronto, I think it's time for a proper rebuild. That being said there is a long list of guys who I think should be moved, that would be fantastic complimentary players to contenders or playoff teams.

Should be moved:

Kessel: (He's a fantastic player, he's a dynamic and elite scoring winger, extremely underrated passer and a deadly shot) That being said, he's not someone you build around, he's a piece you bring in to make room for the other offensive threats on your team.

Phaneuf: (Potential game changer, he can change the momentum from a single play, he energizes a team with his hits and slappers) There is plenty of debate on whether or not he's a #1 defencemen, in my mind he's as close as you can be without actually being one. He frequently plays with lesser partners against teams top threats, but he needs another Top pairing dman as a partner, someone to let him play his game, and bring that energy that he can.

MacArthur: (Let's get this straight, he's a tweener, he's best suited for a 3rd line who does what he's asked of, however, if an injury occurs, he wouldn't look out of place on the 2nd line) He has a bullet of a slapper and some grit to his game.

Grabovski: (Heart and soul guy, he'll give it all for the win, would be a fantastic #2C behind a Top C such as Toews) He's speedy, a great defender has a hard accurate shot.

Liles: (Top 4 PMD, this year under Carlyle, he's shown the ability to be a great defender, add that with his natural offensive instinct and you have a great PP specialist who can handle his own 5v5) He's best to be paired with Shut-down partner with a heavy shot.

Franson: (As of right now, he's a bottom pairing guy, he's got a hard accurate shot and is coming into his own with his size, there are questions about his work ethic and entitlement, however the size and ability is there) He could be had for a reasonable price and could blossom into a Top 4 dman under the right circumstances.

Throw out some offers on these players, keep it realistic and go by both team needs, the purpose of this thread is a Toronto rebuild, so offer picks, prospects or young players.

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01-27-2013, 06:52 PM
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Depending on our financial situation, I could see the Blues at least call about Phaneuf. He makes 5.5 next season, so it could be doable, just depends on how we feel about Cole and Russell.

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This is not an overreaction thread, all I'm stating is the players we(the Leafs) rely on, are support players and should not be relied upon like they have been in Toronto, I think it's time for a proper rebuild. That being said there is a long list of guys who I think should be moved, that would be fantastic complimentary players to contenders or playoff teams.

Should be moved:

Kessel: (He's a fantastic player, he's a dynamic and elite scoring winger, extremely underrated passer and a deadly shot) That being said, he's not someone you build around, he's a piece you bring in to make room for the other offensive threats on your team.

Phaneuf: (Potential game changer, he can change the momentum from a single play, he energizes a team with his hits and slappers) There is plenty of debate on whether or not he's a #1 defencemen, in my mind he's as close as you can be without actually being one. He frequently plays with lesser partners against teams top threats, but he needs another Top pairing dman as a partner, someone to let him play his game, and bring that energy that he can.

MacArthur: (Let's get this straight, he's a tweener, he's best suited for a 3rd line who does what he's asked of, however, if an injury occurs, he wouldn't look out of place on the 2nd line) He has a bullet of a slapper and some grit to his game.

Grabovski: (Heart and soul guy, he'll give it all for the win, would be a fantastic #2C behind a Top C such as Toews) He's speedy, a great defender has a hard accurate shot.

Liles: (Top 4 PMD, this year under Carlyle, he's shown the ability to be a great defender, add that with his natural offensive instinct and you have a great PP specialist who can handle his own 5v5) He's best to be paired with Shut-down partner with a heavy shot.

Franson: (As of right now, he's a bottom pairing guy, he's got a hard accurate shot and is coming into his own with his size, there are questions about his work ethic and entitlement, however the size and ability is there) He could be had for a reasonable price and could blossom into a Top 4 dman under the right circumstances.

Throw out some offers on these players, keep it realistic and go by both team needs, the purpose of this thread is a Toronto rebuild, so offer picks, prospects or young players.
Right. Not overreacting at all.
Duh.


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Right. Not overreacting at all.
Duh.

You're entitled to your own opinion, I just don't think we've been built with a proper foundation for success.

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I am actually quite comfortable with our center core for a rebuild.

We need to move kessel so we can start building around grabovski for a rebuild. He is a solid #2 centerman, and with him bozak and kadri, thats a solid 1-2-3 for a rebuilding year.

Trade kessel, phaneuf, franson, macarthur for picks and prospects and ride the team to a bottom 5 finish.

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Robidas + 1 of Stransky Ritchie or Faksa + 2nd/1st if Dallas wins a playoff series

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Pass. The Leafs could find a better offer for Dion.

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Pass. The Leafs could find a better offer for Dion.
Care to make a counteroffer?

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OP is spot-on. However, I'd like to keep Franson. Other than that, I say wait till the draft/trade deadline, start finding huge deals that involve top prospects + picks. Build around Rielly, Gardiner, Kadri, Frattin, and whoever we pick up in this years draft (Come onnnn Mackinnon! Or Drouin. Or Jones. Really anyone, please).

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Right. Not overreacting at all.
Duh.

Hahah exactly what I thought

"Not overreacting....but here's a bunch of reasons why we need to trade every one of our quality players immediately"

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Didn't the Leafs just pretty much finish a rebuild? They have had top 5 picks like 5 years in a row

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Didn't the Leafs just pretty much finish a rebuild? They have had top 5 picks like 5 years in a row
Anyone wanna fill this guy in on the Kessel trade?

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How long can a team re-build for? Is this a rebuild within a rebuild? Geez. Just try and make the playoffs for once.

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I'd say a high-end prospect (similar in pedigree to Rielly) and a first is something the Leafs should take for Kessel. The same package with a worse prospect (similar to how Kadri was valued in the summer) for Phaneuf would also make sense.

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I may be wrong, but I dont often see non leaf fans saying Kessel isnt a player youd build around. They may critique other aspects or not give him enough credit but it seems leafs fans (I made a visit to their board) raise the issue he is not a player you build around. I do hate on the leafs abit but I still think Kessel is a good player and very valuable. 30-40g scorers dont just grow on trees.

I dont really buy the idea that a player better for building a team around him over another guy. 75p is 75p no matter who gets the points.

I think Kessel should not be moved as his is still in the best years of his career, I get that case for Phaneuf and Macarthur. But Kessel will be a key guy once Reilly and Gardiner start to develop and young players are brought in

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I'd say a high-end prospect (similar in pedigree to Rielly) and a first is something the Leafs should take for Kessel. The same package with a worse prospect (similar to how Kadri was valued in the summer) for Phaneuf would also make sense.
I would do Pouliout and a first for Kessel.

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If Dallas was interested I'd ask for Jamieson Oleksiak.

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Right. Not overreacting at all.
Duh.

3+ years of the same core (same results)
5 years of finishing in the bottom 5 (Nothing to show for it)
10 years of no playoffs
45+ years of no cup

At what point is it not an overreaction?

People should accept that the team is terrible down to the core. We had our chance of rebuilding properly, but threw that away for a quick chance at the playoffs. The Kessel deal was the worst thing that has happened to the Leafs since I became a fan.

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You're entitled to your own opinion, I just don't think we've been built with a proper foundation for success.
This.

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I may be wrong, but I dont often see non leaf fans saying Kessel isnt a player youd build around. They may critique other aspects or not give him enough credit but it seems leafs fans (I made a visit to their board) raise the issue he is not a player you build around. I do hate on the leafs abit but I still think Kessel is a good player and very valuable. 30-40g scorers dont just grow on trees.

I dont really buy the idea that a player better for building a team around him over another guy. 75p is 75p no matter who gets the points.

I think Kessel should not be moved as his is still in the best years of his career, I get that case for Phaneuf and Macarthur. But Kessel will be a key guy once Reilly and Gardiner start to develop and young players are brought in
That would be a rational train of thought but Kessel is a UFA in 2 seasons. After this season he has a limited NTC/NMC that kicks in

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If Dallas was interested I'd ask for Jamieson Oleksiak.
Ask all you want, Im pretty confident thats not going to happen.

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Ask all you want, Im pretty confident thats not going to happen.
He has the 'Glennie glamor' going on now too?

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In all seriousness a full rebuild would be the best way to get this team back on track. However, i don't see it. The leafs aren't about to admit defeat and that has always been their downfall, trading for patch up player.

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So just throwing this out there. Ottawa has its top two centres locked up for the next three years, and we could use another defenseman next year to replace Gonchar. So I'm thinking it might benefit both to trade Mika Zibanejad for Phaneuf. Now im not suggesting straight up, some picks or B prospect would have to come from Ottawa as well. Now, in all seriousness, Ottawa and Toronto would never pull off this trade even if they were Buyers/Sellers respectively. It would still be a good option for Ottawa as they still have a couple years to groom a replacement for Spezza if he parts after his contract is up, but I really hope he retires a Senator.

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So just throwing this out there. Ottawa has its top two centres locked up for the next three years, and we could use another defenseman next year to replace Gonchar. So I'm thinking it might benefit both to trade Mika Zibanejad for Phaneuf. Now im not suggesting straight up, some picks or B prospect would have to come from Ottawa as well. Now, in all seriousness, Ottawa and Toronto would never pull off this trade even if they were Buyers/Sellers respectively. It would still be a good option for Ottawa as they still have a couple years to groom a replacement for Spezza if he parts after his contract is up, but I really hope he retires a Senator.

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Yea, good start but we'd rather not trade him within the division

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So just throwing this out there. Ottawa has its top two centres locked up for the next three years, and we could use another defenseman next year to replace Gonchar. So I'm thinking it might benefit both to trade Mika Zibanejad for Phaneuf. Now im not suggesting straight up, some picks or B prospect would have to come from Ottawa as well. Now, in all seriousness, Ottawa and Toronto would never pull off this trade even if they were Buyers/Sellers respectively. It would still be a good option for Ottawa as they still have a couple years to groom a replacement for Spezza if he parts after his contract is up, but I really hope he retires a Senator.

Flame away.
It would be a decent starting point value-wise. But like you said and I think also - The leafs - senators likely wont make a significant deal and leafs aren't likely to rebuild: (but i'll play)

Zib + Smith + 1st for Phaneuf + MacArthur

The more i look at it, it seems hefty pay from Ottawa. but as a leaf fan it's hard to justify sending our Captain to a divisional rival.


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I would do Pouliout and a first for Kessel.
I believe that would be a fair trade except for the fact the Leafs already have Gardiner/Rielly in the system, but not enough good young forwards.

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