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Kevin Shattenkirk vs Erik Johnson

View Poll Results: Who's the better player?
Kevin Shattenkirk 94 52.51%
Erik Johnson 85 47.49%
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01-27-2013, 11:26 AM
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Yay...this one is back

Avs are better off with EJ and Blues are better off with Shatty....just leave it there.

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01-27-2013, 12:22 PM
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The constant forced beatdown of EJ by Blues fans is really starting to make me not like Blues fans.
When and where was this the case recently? This trade is a win-win for both teams. While EJ would definitely be the better option for (just about) every team, the blues are happy with 22 in his current role.

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01-27-2013, 01:07 PM
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Yay...this one is back

Avs are better off with EJ and Blues are better off with Shatty....just leave it there.
That doesn't mean that neither is the better player overall. I don't know why people are looking at this thread as an evaluation of the trade, it's a comparison of the two players.

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01-27-2013, 01:10 PM
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Maybe EJ can succeed in Colorado, and hopefully he can improve his decision making, become more consistent, and become the physical presence that he was suppose to be.

In the end, both teams would take who they have right now. We needed a Shattenkirk type more than a Johnson type, and it's been said that if Shattenkirk wasn't included, then no deal would have been made. Colorado needed the potential in Johnson more than Shattenkirk.

I know the Blues are happy, especially now that Stewart is back in top shape. Judging by Colorado fans, it would seem that Avs are happy with what they got as well.

HF needs to move on, it doesn't matter who is better because they were acquired to fill different roles and both sides are happy about how they are filling those roles.

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01-27-2013, 01:15 PM
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The Avs defense would be absolutely pathetic with EJ.. Shatty is a good player but I don't see the Avs having any hope of not being a bottom feeder with him and not Johnson.

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01-27-2013, 01:16 PM
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EJ has been, apart from the two months he was paired with Hejda, excellent for Avs. Avs don't get a lot of PPs and haven't been able to find a good fit for him (or most others) there. So the offensive numbers aren't where they should be. I don't think he's a 50p guy, but there is no reason why he shouldn't be a 35-40p guy for Avs. The second half of last year and the start of this, he has been dominant defensively and very good in transition. Still struggles with his shooting, but that was something we knew about all along.

Shattenkirk is looking good and has found the perfect situation in St Louis. A winning team, an excellent system and great depth that allows them to use Shattenkirk to his strengths. I hope he keeps doing well for them. I always liked him as a player. He is so smart offensively.

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01-27-2013, 01:34 PM
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Aves fans will say EJ, Blues fans will say Shatty. Who cares , both teams are happy with the trade and this has been debated way too many times to count. Leave it be and move along.
Not true. Erik Johnson is better

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01-27-2013, 01:40 PM
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01-27-2013, 01:50 PM
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If we're talking about offensively, I think Shatty. All around wise, EJ.

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01-27-2013, 02:07 PM
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God this crap again.

Offensively: Shatty>EJ

Cooler name: Shatty>EJ

Everything else: EJ>Shatty.

This poll shouldn't be as close as it is. I know my fellow Blues fans are voting for Shatty because he is a better fit for our team, which he is. However, the poll is not a "who would you rather have", it's a "who is better" poll, and EJ is a better dman than Shatty.

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01-27-2013, 02:09 PM
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The constant forced beatdown of EJ by Blues fans is really starting to make me not like Blues fans.

Different types of players playing different roles on different teams. I personally would take EJ AINEC.

But just let it go
What Blues fan's beatdown EJ? Really give me an example of someone crapping on EJ. I almost always see Blues fans state that EJ is the better player overall.

As to the question I would take Shatty on Blues but EJ is the better player...However people are underating Shatty defensivly and overrating EJ offensivly.

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01-27-2013, 02:15 PM
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FilthyNote, this poll has been open for twelve hours and you haven't posted in it yet. I'm extremely disappointed.

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01-27-2013, 02:22 PM
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EJ is better by a decent amount. But, the Blues need Shattenkirk more than Johnson

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01-27-2013, 02:31 PM
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EJ is better by a decent amount. But, the Blues need Shattenkirk more than Johnson
EJ is the better player but I think Shattys offensive ability makes this closer then some people would believe...If EJ can ever actually start performing offensivly to his potential then it wont be close...I am just not sure if he will ever be that guy...However the fact that he is very very good defensivly and logs a ton of minutes makes him a bottom half number 1 dmen where Shatty is a number 2 and I do not see that changing.

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01-27-2013, 04:20 PM
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01-27-2013, 04:47 PM
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FilthyNote, this poll has been open for twelve hours and you haven't posted in it yet. I'm extremely disappointed.
This. He must be sleeping or something. We also need more Eskimo44 here to tell us just how bad EJ is.

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01-27-2013, 05:06 PM
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I'm a Blues fan who still believes Johnson can become a Norris candidate.

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01-27-2013, 05:10 PM
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Okay, I'm sorry, but how can anyone say that EJ is better than Shatty? Shattenkirk puts up back to back 43 point seasons with a +20 last year. EJ puts up roughly HALF the points and is a negative player. This is coming from someone who has talked to EJ multiple times as well as having a personal note from EJ still hanging on my fridge so I'm not bias here.

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01-27-2013, 05:26 PM
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Okay, I'm sorry, but how can anyone say that EJ is better than Shatty? Shattenkirk puts up back to back 43 point seasons with a +20 last year. EJ puts up roughly HALF the points and is a negative player. This is coming from someone who has talked to EJ multiple times as well as having a personal note from EJ still hanging on my fridge so I'm not bias here.
Controls the game for the Avs. Something Shatty wouldn't be able to do. Shatty is a great D-man that makes good breakout passes, is reasonably good defensively and is great on the powerplay.

Johnson is great defensively, has really started to become dominant at times. Makes good breakout passes. He doesn't get nearly the time on the PP as Shatty and he also does it on a weaker team. I can see him eventually becoming a perpetual 40pt dman, while Shattenkirk hitting 50-60.

If you watched them instead of just reading stats you would realize this.

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01-27-2013, 06:02 PM
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I'm a Blues fan who still believes Johnson can become a Norris candidate.
I have always been a huge EJ fan but I am just not seeing anything that would lead me to believe he well ever put up the points that would require him being a top 5 dman. While I think he is always going to be a good to great defensive dman I see him being about a 40 pt guy which is good but not what it need to be to win a norris. Couple that with the fact that there are a lot of younger guys who are already a ways better then EJ and I see him outside the norris types.

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01-27-2013, 06:10 PM
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Shattenkirk is a 2nd pairing PMD. Johnson is a top pairing two way D.

Johnson for me quite easily unless I'm dying for a Brian Rafalski PPQB type.
Where did you hear Johnson was a two-way D? Have to be able to get the shot through to the net or it doesn't matter how hard he shoots it. He has 0 offensive awareness. I wish I could find Tortorella's comments during the Olympics about Johnsons hockey sense.

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They shouldn't be
Yes they should. He is lightyears better offensively and not a liability on defense despite what some here believe.

The only reason people are even voting Johnson is because he was the #1 pick and the Avs foolishly traded multiple assets to get him.

And the "EJ is the #1 and Shattenkirk is on 2nd pairing" argument is tired. If you traded the two straight up Shattenkirk is the Avs #1 and EJ is on the Blues 2nd pairing, maybe even the third.

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01-27-2013, 06:14 PM
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What Blues fan's beatdown EJ? Really give me an example of someone crapping on EJ. I almost always see Blues fans state that EJ is the better player overall.

As to the question I would take Shatty on Blues but EJ is the better player...However people are underating Shatty defensivly and overrating EJ offensivly.
I absolutely can't stand how bad he was here. I rip on him every chance I get. However this is the first time I have done so on this website and I haven't seen any Blues fan's comments besides my own in this thread ripping him. The poster you were quoting made absolutely no sense.

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01-27-2013, 06:14 PM
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Good lord! I will never understand this place and their obsession with Johnson. The guy isn't that great and is far from a #1 overall. He completely underperforms in every aspect and I don't care if nobody believes that. I have watched EJ play A LOT before and during his NHL career on all teams. He just doesn't have it. He will be an NHL player for a long time but he is not on the same level as Shattenkirk.

I think people just see that he was drafted #1 overall and really want to believe his game is good even if they haven't seen him play.

I don't like this whole "Each player fits their teams needs better" cop-out. Shattenkirk is the better player. He played good on the avs and he has played great on the Blues. EJ has underperformed his entire NHL career and in doing so isn't as good as Shatty on both end of the ice. EJ's passing is questionable, he is slow, and very tenative with the puck. Not nearly as good along the boards as Shatty. EJ CAN hit hard but seldom does it.

I am not sure if it is just people believe what Av's fans WANT to believe as oppose to reality but Shatty blows EJ out of the water and it isn't even close.

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01-27-2013, 06:18 PM
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Where did you hear Johnson was a two-way D? Have to be able to get the shot through to the net or it doesn't matter how hard he shoots it. He has 0 offensive awareness. I wish I could find Tortorella's comments during the Olympics about Johnsons hockey sense.



Yes they should. He is lightyears better offensively and not a liability on defense despite what some here believe.

The only reason people are even voting Johnson is because he was the #1 pick and the Avs foolishly traded multiple assets to get him.

And the "EJ is the #1 and Shattenkirk is on 2nd pairing" argument is tired. If you traded the two straight up Shattenkirk is the Avs #1 and EJ is on the Blues 2nd pairing, maybe even the third.
Let's turn this around, people only voted for Shatty because he had more points.

Johnsons only issue is getting the point shot through. If that's his only weakness Avs fans can deal with it. He's been impressive this year and I think if his play continues people will stop making uninformed decisions about his play. Last sharks game the announcers were even saying how impressed they were with his game.

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As a Blues fan, it's sad to see this brought up again in this fashion.

And even if any other given team would rather have EJ, the Blues would be a worse team if they swapped Shattenkirk for him straight up. The puck control, movement, and offense he provides is crucial to the Blues' success. Shatty is also better defensively and physically than Rafalski ever was, so the line that he's a powerplay specialist is going nowhere.

So, as valid as this discussion may seem, the bickering about the players when the trade happened was out of control and they're such different players at this point that a comparison is highly situational. Which makes it more flag-waving than discourse.


If Shattenkirk ends up as good as Rafalski he's a #1 defenseman. I can't believe how much you are underrating him.

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