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01-27-2013, 07:08 PM
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Disappointed to see Joliat and Malone disappear right in front of me, but thrilled to pick up the greatest Taiwanese hockey player of all time to pair with Robinson ... D Rod Langway
Wow.. if they are paired together that is an extremely formidable twin tower defense!

Langway was the other player I was considering taking but if I had, I would have split him up from Cleghorn and had two strong pairings.

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01-27-2013, 07:11 PM
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No love for Kevin Yu?

oops...undrafted!


(Edited upon finding a better one on the CIHL website)

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Wow.. if they are paired together that is an extremely formidable twin tower defense!

Langway was the other player I was considering taking but if I had, I would have split him up from Cleghorn and had two strong pairings.
It's not just size; Robinson's ability to carry the puck up the ice and jump into the offensive zone is perfectly suited alongside Langway's steady, stay-at-home style.

It might seem like a stretch to take yet another defenseman this early, and I may yet split the two of them up (depends on how the rest of the draft plays out, and it certainly depends on playoff matchups), but in a division where the weakest 1st line is probably going to be built around Phil Esposito, having a pair of 27 minute horses is a must. Now I have them.

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01-27-2013, 08:28 PM
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Well, after easily watching about a dozen players I wanted picked before me in this 3rd round alone, made me have to go back and research further as well as change my strategy of picking strong down the middle.

I need some offense. I've gone over and over the possibilities and decided I needed a gunner. There's 3 other picks that I mulled over a number of times but I'm going with a polarizing figure, in so many different ways, and it'll probably continue now....the Boston Mules pick RWer Cam Neely.



1) He's a Bruin and I'm a Bruins fan. Bruins fans love tough, gritty rock-em sock-em players and I'm another one of them. Hell, the current #22 is one of the most popular players currently around here, having his own instigating t-shirt and rowdy fan club, appears in rock videos but is stll self effacing enough to crack people up in interviews....and he's lucky if he gets a half dozen goals a year. Neely is still a demi-god around these parts, (as well as having his own popular selling t-shirt around here).

2) He is still cited by a vast number of hockey insiders as the prototypical "power forward". He can skate, shoot, hit and fight with gumption. He has the heart of a grizzly. He refuses to take no for an answer and does not suffer fools or wimps at all.

3) He had 78 total fights to go with his crunchy body checks. But he was smart and restrained enough to have only 3 post season fights.....for good reason because most of all, and this was my tipping point:

4) There are only 3 players with significant playing time who have a better goals-per-game average in Stanley Cup history than him. I know he didn't win a Cup but it wasn't for lack of trying. It wasn't his fault he had a lack of depth behind him. Opponents knew this and it was a standard tactic to:
a) run Bourque and don't give him time to see the ice in front of him and force him into a mistake.
b) piss off Neely and hopefully get him off the ice.

The Bruins had a noticeable lack of depth, (which led to the vitriolic hatred for owner Jeremy Jacobs and the eventual blowback downfall of Harry Sinden for not opening the purse strings for better players), and the failure of the few quality depth players to come through in the crunch.

Yet, Neely still scored 57 goals and 89 total points in 93 playoff games, often while being hacked, mauled and cheap-shotted by one, and more often than not, two players on every shift. His battles with some of the most annoying and dirty defensive 'blankets' are legendary.

(I also don't give a rats ass about 'adjusted stats' either but he also is still 10th all-time in goals-per-game in the regular season).

It was close with those 3 other gunners, a couple who're probably a little more gifted and one of whom he shared an excellent center with....but I had to go with Neely. I watched him probably more than anyone on this board and I'm sticking with this choice.

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01-27-2013, 08:30 PM
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It's not just size; Robinson's ability to carry the puck up the ice and jump into the offensive zone is perfectly suited alongside Langway's steady, stay-at-home style.

It might seem like a stretch to take yet another defenseman this early, and I may yet split the two of them up (depends on how the rest of the draft plays out, and it certainly depends on playoff matchups), but in a division where the weakest 1st line is probably going to be built around Phil Esposito, having a pair of 27 minute horses is a must. Now I have them.
I also wanted Langway. I think he's terribly underrated, even if he is in the HoF, and your strategy is pretty good.

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01-27-2013, 08:41 PM
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UAF nanooks select C Norm Ullman.

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UAF nanooks select C Norm Ullman.
Good call, he was one of three CTRs I would've gone with right now.....

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UAF nanooks select C Norm Ullman.
A great player who isn't appreciated as much as he should be.

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01-27-2013, 08:54 PM
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Ullman's a good pick. Very Henri-Richard lite-in a lot of ways.

Unfortunately for Ullman, he peaked right in the middle of a period when Toronto and Montreal were trading Cups.

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01-27-2013, 08:59 PM
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A great player who isn't appreciated as much as he should be.
i think it can often be hard to find C's for puck-dominant W's like lafleur, since C's are usually the most important players on their line and are used to carrying the puck, but i think ullman would be a good C for lafleur. balanced between goals and assists, played both ways, has speed to stay with lafleur, and played more of a support role when he played with another puck dominant W, howe.

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Ullman's a good pick. Very Henri-Richard lite-in a lot of ways.

Unfortunately for Ullman, he peaked right in the middle of a period when Toronto and Montreal were trading Cups.
Outside of team accomplishments, what makes Ullman a lite version of Richard?

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Outside of team accomplishments, what makes Ullman a lite version of Richard?
Richard was a step up offensively. And the anecdotes certainly indicate that Richard was better defensively too.

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Richard was a step up offensively. And the anecdotes certainly indicate that Richard was better defensively too.
The offensive part at least I am not so sure about.

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01-27-2013, 09:13 PM
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i think it can often be hard to find C's for puck-dominant W's like lafleur, since C's are usually the most important players on their line and are used to carrying the puck, but i think ullman would be a good C for lafleur. balanced between goals and assists, played both ways, has speed to stay with lafleur, and played more of a support role when he played with another puck dominant W, howe.
I think all the puck hog talk is really overstated around here.

I do think that Ullman is a better offensive version of Lafleur's normal center, though.

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01-27-2013, 09:20 PM
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Can anyone take a short list overnight?

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Can anyone take a short list overnight?
Anyone who picks before 92 can send me a list. I am not trading up.

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I think all the puck hog talk is really overstated around here.

I do think that Ullman is a better offensive version of Lafleur's normal center, though.
there is much space between being a puck hog and being a line's main puckhandler. some players like to be the main puckhandler and are less effective when they are not. this was apparently one of the reasons hull and mikita were not linemates. i can think of more undrafted examples: even 2 players who are primarily playmakers who don't play as well together b/c they both like to control the puck.

but it is less of a problem for W's who are great playmakers like howe, jagr, lafleur, bathgate, etc.

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I think all the puck hog talk is really overstated around here.

I do think that Ullman is a better offensive version of Lafleur's normal center, though.
A centre who plays with a puck-dominant wing needs to be comfortable at playing off the puck. I would look for smart, versatile centres above everything else for that role. Among drafted centres I think Fedorov and Delvecchio are well-suited for the role. Both were very smart players who could adapt to playing in any role.

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Anyone who picks before 92 can send me a list. I am not trading up.
List sent, thanks.

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Well, after easily watching about a dozen players I wanted picked before me in this 3rd round alone, made me have to go back and research further as well as change my strategy of picking strong down the middle.

I need some offense. I've gone over and over the possibilities and decided I needed a gunner. There's 3 other picks that I mulled over a number of times but I'm going with a polarizing figure, in so many different ways, and it'll probably continue now....the Boston Mules pick RWer Cam Neely.



1) He's a Bruin and I'm a Bruins fan. Bruins fans love tough, gritty rock-em sock-em players and I'm another one of them. Hell, the current #22 is one of the most popular players currently around here, having his own instigating t-shirt and rowdy fan club, appears in rock videos but is stll self effacing enough to crack people up in interviews....and he's lucky if he gets a half dozen goals a year. Neely is still a demi-god around these parts, (as well as having his own popular selling t-shirt around here).

2) He is still cited by a vast number of hockey insiders as the prototypical "power forward". He can skate, shoot, hit and fight with gumption. He has the heart of a grizzly. He refuses to take no for an answer and does not suffer fools or wimps at all.

3) He had 78 total fights to go with his crunchy body checks. But he was smart and restrained enough to have only 3 post season fights.....for good reason because most of all, and this was my tipping point:

4) There are only 3 players with significant playing time who have a better goals-per-game average in Stanley Cup history than him. I know he didn't win a Cup but it wasn't for lack of trying. It wasn't his fault he had a lack of depth behind him. Opponents knew this and it was a standard tactic to:
a) run Bourque and don't give him time to see the ice in front of him and force him into a mistake.
b) piss off Neely and hopefully get him off the ice.

The Bruins had a noticeable lack of depth, (which led to the vitriolic hatred for owner Jeremy Jacobs and the eventual blowback downfall of Harry Sinden for not opening the purse strings for better players), and the failure of the few quality depth players to come through in the crunch.

Yet, Neely still scored 57 goals and 89 total points in 93 playoff games, often while being hacked, mauled and cheap-shotted by one, and more often than not, two players on every shift. His battles with some of the most annoying and dirty defensive 'blankets' are legendary.

(I also don't give a rats ass about 'adjusted stats' either but he also is still 10th all-time in goals-per-game in the regular season).

It was close with those 3 other gunners, a couple who're probably a little more gifted and one of whom he shared an excellent center with....but I had to go with Neely. I watched him probably more than anyone on this board and I'm sticking with this choice.

Flame away...
I think he probably would have been sitting there for you in the next round, but I guess I can understand you targeted your man and you got em.

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01-27-2013, 10:15 PM
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I think he probably would have been sitting there for you in the next round, but I guess I can understand you targeted your man and you got em.
Agree

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01-28-2013, 12:49 AM
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Possibly, probably, I know he went middle 4th in the last draft but after literally watching each of my next desired dozen picks get snagged almost in a row I didn't want to take any chances.

I went with who I thought was a good playoff performer, (given the right CTR), and the best player available for the style I covet. I'm biased but I also think that his value is deserved.

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You got to also understand that Neely got injured right before his 26th birthday, (Holy Bobby Orr Batman!!). He only played 162 games over the next 5 years....yet he scored 123 goals for a .76 goals/game clip.....while pretty much doing it with one leg.

A glimpse of what woulda, shoulda, coulda been.

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I just cant refuse, i choose Max Bentley.

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I just cant refuse, i choose Max Bentley.
Definitely a good pick here. He's the guy that I think has been overrated by past ATDs, but I do think that he makes a lot more sense here.

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