HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Toronto Maple Leafs
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

The Race to the Bottom - Rebuild Thread.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
01-27-2013, 07:22 PM
  #426
black charger
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: GTA
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,865
vCash: 500
Say for example that Parise and Suter could have been enticed to play here and Reimer works out,would this not have made the Leafs a totally different team.Of course,maybe not a contender,but most likely play-off bound.


We have a great supporting cast and are only missing 2 or 3 stars .Coming by them may not be easy,but,with the cash the Leafs have there has to be a way to make TO an attractive destination for a couple of FA's this summer.

black charger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 07:32 PM
  #427
JVReemer
Registered User
 
JVReemer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,419
vCash: 610
Quote:
Originally Posted by black charger View Post
Say for example that Parise and Suter could have been enticed to play here and Reimer works out,would this not have made the Leafs a totally different team.Of course,maybe not a contender,but most likely play-off bound.


We have a great supporting cast and are only missing 2 or 3 stars .Coming by them may not be easy,but,with the cash the Leafs have there has to be a way to make TO an attractive destination for a couple of FA's this summer.
That's the thing though, every team in the NHL is 2 or 3 stars away from playoffs..

JVReemer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 07:35 PM
  #428
Erdinger
Registered User
 
Erdinger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,756
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JVReemer View Post
That's the thing though, every team in the NHL is 2 or 3 stars away from playoffs..
Except the teams that make it. Which is 53% of them.

Erdinger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 09:38 PM
  #429
Interactif
Registered User
 
Interactif's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North York
Country: Canada
Posts: 27,221
vCash: 500
Montreal and Washington win, NY Isles get a point.

Maybe the hockey gods are with us this year.

Interactif is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 09:42 PM
  #430
Fear The Phil
Registered User
 
Fear The Phil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 118
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Interactif View Post
Montreal and Washington win, NY Isles get a point.

Maybe the hockey gods are with us this year.
wayyyyyy too early to be scoreboard watching lol

Fear The Phil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 09:43 PM
  #431
ErnieLeafs
LOVE & LIVE the Game
 
ErnieLeafs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Windsor, Ont.
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,120
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by PressBoxLegend View Post
wayyyyyy too early to be scoreboard watching lol
5 games into a season is no time to be calling it a day, either.

ErnieLeafs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 09:46 PM
  #432
Stephen
Registered User
 
Stephen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 31,658
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Interactif View Post
The bottom line is this, we have the same core of players that hasn't gotten this team anywhere, yet Grabo is rewarded with a 5.5 5 year contract that may or may not be movable. Moving him for Luongo at the deadline or summer after we unintentionally tank for Jones hopefully is one creative way of allocating cap resources better. #1G all star for #2 overpaid C is a good trade off to me.


Dion and Kessel, 2 guys that will be UFA's if not re-signed after 13-14 is another option to move each to teams that are farther advanced and a better fit this year.

Lupul is signed, would have rather we haven't. But 5.25M at some point should be movable.

The point is we have a good farm system, good prospects, maintain the draft/develop/promote philosophy.

Maybe we get lucky and sign a Chara and Thomas as Boston did to expedite the rebuild. But they also drafted well and developed key players to the Cup winning team.

This is the approach we should look at, not reinvent the wheel.
Yep, I agree about Grabovski. Pretending for a minute that he's a big piece of the Leafs, I think his contributions are covered by Kadri and Bozak. Shifting his bloated contract for Luongo would at least get us some strength in net. Let's face it, Luongo would be up there with Kessel and Phaneuf as the pillars of the team. The bad contracts cancel out.

The offseason will be a time to determine what to do with Phaneuf and Kessel. I'd be inclined to keep both, though if we could trade Phaneuf for a younger centerman, you'd have to consider it.

Stephen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 09:47 PM
  #433
Skyver
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Budapest
Country: Hungary
Posts: 1,352
vCash: 500
I think we have this 1st overall locked! Even C-Bus is doing decent at times.

Skyver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 09:52 PM
  #434
ErnieLeafs
LOVE & LIVE the Game
 
ErnieLeafs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Windsor, Ont.
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,120
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen View Post
Yep, I agree about Grabovski. Pretending for a minute that he's a big piece of the Leafs, I think his contributions are covered by Kadri and Bozak. Shifting his bloated contract for Luongo would at least get us some strength in net. Let's face it, Luongo would be up there with Kessel and Phaneuf as the pillars of the team. The bad contracts cancel out.

The offseason will be a time to determine what to do with Phaneuf and Kessel. I'd be inclined to keep both, though if we could trade Phaneuf for a younger centerman, you'd have to consider it.
You lose just about anyone saying that Grabo and Lou's contracts cancel out.

That is probably the most outlandish statement in this entire thread.

Grabovski's contract ends when he turns the age Lou is now......

ErnieLeafs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 09:56 PM
  #435
Erdinger
Registered User
 
Erdinger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,756
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyver View Post
I think we have this 1st overall locked! Even C-Bus is doing decent at times.
We will find a way to **** it up. If not the NHL will have the draft rigged like in the Crosby year.

Erdinger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 09:58 PM
  #436
JVReemer
Registered User
 
JVReemer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,419
vCash: 610
If I'm not mistaken, don't teams that finish 2nd - 5th last have an improved chance at 1st OA? Or did the lottery odds just get spread out to teams finishing 6th - 14th last? If the 1st is true, that's good news for the blue and white, and terrible news for Columbus

JVReemer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 10:24 PM
  #437
Interactif
Registered User
 
Interactif's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North York
Country: Canada
Posts: 27,221
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen View Post
Yep, I agree about Grabovski. Pretending for a minute that he's a big piece of the Leafs, I think his contributions are covered by Kadri and Bozak. Shifting his bloated contract for Luongo would at least get us some strength in net. Let's face it, Luongo would be up there with Kessel and Phaneuf as the pillars of the team. The bad contracts cancel out.

The offseason will be a time to determine what to do with Phaneuf and Kessel. I'd be inclined to keep both, though if we could trade Phaneuf for a younger centerman, you'd have to consider it.
That's the challenge making deals by GM's often means trading contracts, it's a wonder any deals are made at all with the cap, The Grabo for Luongo deal is an easy one from a contract point of view.

Interactif is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 10:26 PM
  #438
ErnieLeafs
LOVE & LIVE the Game
 
ErnieLeafs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Windsor, Ont.
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,120
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Interactif View Post
That's the challenge making deals by GM's often means trading contracts, it's a wonder any deals are made at all with the cap, The Grabo for Luongo deal is an easy one from a contract point of view.
You aboslutely can't be serious....
like... not at all....

ErnieLeafs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 10:29 PM
  #439
FlareKnight
Registered User
 
FlareKnight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,150
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by JVReemer View Post
If I'm not mistaken, don't teams that finish 2nd - 5th last have an improved chance at 1st OA? Or did the lottery odds just get spread out to teams finishing 6th - 14th last? If the 1st is true, that's good news for the blue and white, and terrible news for Columbus
I don't think the odds improved for those teams. It's just that now when any team wins the lottery they get the top pick. So really all this does is lower the % for the team that finishes last. Since before long as 2-4 didn't win they'd keep the top pick.

FlareKnight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 10:30 PM
  #440
Interactif
Registered User
 
Interactif's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North York
Country: Canada
Posts: 27,221
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ErnieLeafs View Post
You aboslutely can't be serious....
like... not at all....
Serious as the Finns not winning gold.

Interactif is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 10:31 PM
  #441
ErnieLeafs
LOVE & LIVE the Game
 
ErnieLeafs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Windsor, Ont.
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,120
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Interactif View Post
Serious as the Finns not winning gold.
I don't even have to debate you on this....

Let it be known that Grabo's contract is more of a hindrance than Lou's....

Beyond "wow".

ErnieLeafs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 10:34 PM
  #442
JVReemer
Registered User
 
JVReemer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,419
vCash: 610
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlareKnight View Post
I don't think the odds improved for those teams. It's just that now when any team wins the lottery they get the top pick. So really all this does is lower the % for the team that finishes last. Since before long as 2-4 didn't win they'd keep the top pick.
I see... Thus there was a higher percentage that they would retain the 1st pick. Thanks for clearing that up!

JVReemer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 10:35 PM
  #443
Interactif
Registered User
 
Interactif's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North York
Country: Canada
Posts: 27,221
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ErnieLeafs View Post
I don't even have to debate you on this....

Let it be known that Grabo's contract is more of a hindrance than Lou's....

Beyond "wow".
well if you think like that you will never make a deal, if leafs want to buy out lu after 39, so be it. you heard of tucker haven't you?

wow.

Interactif is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 10:37 PM
  #444
ErnieLeafs
LOVE & LIVE the Game
 
ErnieLeafs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Windsor, Ont.
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,120
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Interactif View Post
well if you think like that you will never make a deal, if leafs want to buy out lu after 39, so be it. you heard of tucker haven't you?

wow.
In the same thread that you $*@! about cap allocation, you want to just buy out Lou's contract and waste that space, much like people still gripe about paying for Tucker to this day....

You couldn't make this stuff up...

ErnieLeafs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 10:40 PM
  #445
Erdinger
Registered User
 
Erdinger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,756
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Interactif View Post
well if you think like that you will never make a deal, if leafs want to buy out lu after 39, so be it. you heard of tucker haven't you?

wow.
It makes sense in some ways. Still kind of greasy and I don't really think Luongo is an answer plus I think the Nucks win

Erdinger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 10:42 PM
  #446
Interactif
Registered User
 
Interactif's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North York
Country: Canada
Posts: 27,221
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ErnieLeafs View Post
In the same thread that you $*@! about cap allocation, you want to just buy out Lou's contract and waste that space, much like people still gripe about paying for Tucker to this day....

You couldn't make this stuff up...
Well you would probably rather trade Lombardi for Luongo, oh wait he was already traded, giving up one bad contract for another especially when it is one for a #1 all-star goalie for a #2C with Kadri in the wings is not a foreign concept to most.

Interactif is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 10:45 PM
  #447
Interactif
Registered User
 
Interactif's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North York
Country: Canada
Posts: 27,221
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Erdinger View Post
It makes sense in some ways. Still kind of greasy and I don't really think Luongo is an answer plus I think the Nucks win
He can play to 40 if he takes care of himself, look at Thomas, Brodeur, Belfour, Roy, they played well into their 30's and close to their 40's, and there is always a buy out, but it gives us a window of 5 years to win.

Interactif is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 10:48 PM
  #448
ErnieLeafs
LOVE & LIVE the Game
 
ErnieLeafs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Windsor, Ont.
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,120
vCash: 500
"Montreal and Washington win, NY Isles get a point.

Maybe the hockey gods are with us this year."

"but it gives us a window of 5 years to win."

lol... Both advocating and rebelling against the tank on the same page....

ErnieLeafs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 10:49 PM
  #449
Interactif
Registered User
 
Interactif's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North York
Country: Canada
Posts: 27,221
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ErnieLeafs View Post
"Montreal and Washington win, NY Isles get a point.

Maybe the hockey gods are with us this year."

"but it gives us a window of 5 years to win."

lol... Both advocating and rebelling against the tank on the same page....
Now you are just trolling me.

BTW did I ever say I wanted Luongo right now, reading comp 101.

Interactif is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-27-2013, 10:51 PM
  #450
KPower
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,968
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by black charger View Post
Say for example that Parise and Suter could have been enticed to play here and Reimer works out,would this not have made the Leafs a totally different team.Of course,maybe not a contender,but most likely play-off bound.


We have a great supporting cast and are only missing 2 or 3 stars .Coming by them may not be easy,but,with the cash the Leafs have there has to be a way to make TO an attractive destination for a couple of FA's this summer.
Top free agents have not been signing in Toronto for 2 reasons.

1. The team sucks.

2. Media scrutiny.

Combine these two reasons and you can't blame them.

KPower is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:51 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.