My take...if you guys don't want Setoguchi, we have no deal to make.
I think I'm in the minority. Most Pens fans haven't seen much of Seto, they just see a spot in the top-six that needs filling on the wing and will do anything to fill it it seems. So, I think they're sold on the idea...
Labelling first year pros, busts/disapointments shows a complete lack of understanding of the development curve that most pro athletes take.
It is a process, perhaps at the end of their ELC, which is three years out, we can start to make intelligent decisions on these guys based on their body of work as pros.
The knee jerk, throwing young guys under the bus just blows me away.
In my opinion, I'm not really in the camp who wants to see Setoguchi flipped for a, more or less, unproven defenseman. Even if it would be for a fairly well regarded prospect. I think Setoguchi can provide exactly what this team needs, and will need moving forward, at a respectable cap number. It's just at this point this team really hasn't had any stability to find players to surround him with.
I haven't been all that impressed with his tenure with the Wild but at the same time, I'm not moving him unless I would be adding a significant asset to get a legitimate defender. Beyond that, I think we haven't seen what he can truly provide and his real value.
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What exactly have we tried, as far as I'm aware tonight will be the first game with different lines?
Signed Havlat.
Traded for Kobasew.
Traded Burns for secondary scoring.
Fired Richards
Hired new AHL coach
Traded for Heatley
Signed Praise and Suter
Traded Schultz for Gilbert
Traded Zidlicky
Traded Zanon
Again. What can this organization do more of to get this team to actually play like a team and actually score? We've changed out a bunch of parts and yet the car runs the same.
Signed Havlat.
Traded for Kobasew.
Traded Burns for secondary scoring.
Fired Richards
Hired new AHL coach
Traded for Heatley
Signed Praise and Suter
Traded Schultz for Gilbert
Traded Zidlicky
Traded Zanon
Again. What can this organization do more of to get this team to actually play like a team and actually score? We've changed out a bunch of parts and yet the car runs the same.
We don't have a dynamic even strength player. Parise is good once he get in close and on the forecheck, but Koivu and Heatley are a slow as **** moving through the neutral zone. We don't have any run and gun type players or coast to coast players. You need that to score even strength. Players who are dynamic and creative enough to create space for themselves and others on things other than the powerplay. Havlat was as close to this kind of player we have had in a long time and he didn't fit well with our team unfortunately.
Last edited by Randy BoBandy: 01-27-2013 at 10:27 PM.
Signed Havlat.
Traded for Kobasew.
Traded Burns for secondary scoring.
Fired Richards
Hired new AHL coach
Traded for Heatley
Signed Praise and Suter
Traded Schultz for Gilbert
Traded Zidlicky
Traded Zanon
Again. What can this organization do more of to get this team to actually play like a team and actually score? We've changed out a bunch of parts and yet the car runs the same.
And don't forget adding two top-ten picks. This is precisely what's worrying me too. It's exactly the same mistakes, sloppiness, and laziness that we've seen for over four years now.
We don't have a dynamic even strength player. Parise is good once he get in close and on the forecheck, but Koivu and Heatley are a slow as **** moving through the neutral zone. We don't have any run and gun type players or coast to coast players. You need that to score even strength. Players who are dynamic and creative enough to create space for themselves and others on things other than the powerplay. Havlat was as close to this kind of player we have had in a long time and he didn't fit well with our team unfortunately.
EDIT: DISCLAIMER: Not a trade idea, didn't see a Possible Free Agent Signings thread.
Here's an idea you guys have probably already thrown around a bit. Phil Kessel.
Backstrom, Bouchard and Cullen's contracts all expire after this season, and Heatley and Kessel's (and even Gilbert's) expire after the next. Re-sign Bouchard (maybe, depending on health and production) and Heatley(?) for less than they make now, let Cullen and Backstrom walk, and then see if you can sign Kessel for 6-6.5M. If necessary, trade Setoguchi for an upgrade on defense.
EDIT: DISCLAIMER: Not a trade idea, didn't see a Possible Free Agent Signings thread.
Here's an idea you guys have probably already thrown around a bit. Phil Kessel.
Backstrom, Bouchard and Cullen's contracts all expire after this season, and Heatley and Kessel's (and even Gilbert's) expire after the next. Re-sign Bouchard (maybe, depending on health and production) and Heatley(?) for less than they make now, let Cullen and Backstrom walk, and then see if you can sign Kessel for 6-6.5M. If necessary, trade Setoguchi for an upgrade on defense.
I mean, it could work, and yes, I have thought about it, but I just don't think it's feasible. The Wild, as already shown this season, are really, really top heavy. They need secondary scoring.
My guess for this offseason is that they let Backstrom, Bouchard, and Cullen walk. Re-signing lesser guys would take up a few million, but they'd have roughly 6-8 million in cap space to get a second line winger and maybe a 2nd pairing defender. Can't really afford to sink all of that into one player, IMO.
EDIT: DISCLAIMER: Not a trade idea, didn't see a Possible Free Agent Signings thread.
Here's an idea you guys have probably already thrown around a bit. Phil Kessel.
Backstrom, Bouchard and Cullen's contracts all expire after this season, and Heatley and Kessel's (and even Gilbert's) expire after the next. Re-sign Bouchard (maybe, depending on health and production) and Heatley(?) for less than they make now, let Cullen and Backstrom walk, and then see if you can sign Kessel for 6-6.5M. If necessary, trade Setoguchi for an upgrade on defense.
It's going to be a long year for those who think Cullen is going to get traded (or want to see him traded). He's here for the duration of his deal; for better or worse.
