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01-27-2013, 10:00 PM
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Exactly! He doesn't fit our system.

Look up all Tedenbys goals as a NJD none of them are scrambles near the net or dirty goals, they're all open space
Out of curiosity which system do you feel that he fits? Edm?

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01-27-2013, 10:02 PM
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Because he had nice moves and scouts thought he would up his game. Same reason a lot of first round picks that don't turn out all that well become first round picks. Scouts thought there was more upside than there ended up being. I don't think he was a terrible first round pick at the time. A lot of Rangers fans were pissed when we took MDZ over him, for example. He just never really got any better after his draft year.

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Interesting. Thanks for informing.

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01-27-2013, 10:03 PM
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Out of curiosity which system do you feel that he fits? Edm?
Anywhere that utilizes open space as opposed to the boards

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01-27-2013, 10:03 PM
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The one thing he just never got was the strength and his hockey IQ. If he developed just one or the other, he would be a very good player. Lacking both with his size and not producing is a recipe for disaster.
Yep. He never really developed his game since he was drafted. The things missing were the core strength and the IQ. If he had the core strength, he could've at least been a decent 2nd liner. Once it appeared that he did not address the strength aspect the season after he was drafted, I think it became a situation where you begin to worry.

There's still time for him to develop into something, but as some others say -- I think it may have to come on another team. Although the return for him will be minimal at best. He's worth a late round pick or as a throw in on a bigger trade (where you get another guy who needs a change of scenery back in return).

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01-27-2013, 10:04 PM
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Out of curiosity which system do you feel that he fits? Edm?
To be honest, I don't pay attention to the East to be able to tell you that.

I'd just say that one that doesn't rely on board play as much. A team that plays a more wide open maybe fast paced style. If Omark didn't cut it in Edmonton, I doubt they'd be interested in Tedenby.

Just some hypothetical trades:

Tedenby for Glennie
Tedenby for Korpikoski
Tedenby and Tallinder for Setoguchi

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01-27-2013, 10:06 PM
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Yep. He never really developed his game since he was drafted. The things missing were the core strength and the IQ. If he had the core strength, he could've at least been a decent 2nd liner. Once it appeared that he did not address the strength aspect the season after he was drafted, I think it became a situation where you begin to worry.

There's still time for him to develop into something, but as some others say -- I think it may have to come on another team. Although the return for him will be minimal at best. He's worth a late round pick or as a throw in on a bigger trade (where you get another guy who needs a change of scenery back in return).
If he had the IQ, he could've been a reliable player who could've played a specialist role. With the strength, it would've helped him in all facets of his game especially along the boards and in the dirty areas.

The potential he had, and still does kind of, is incredible. He could (could have) really been something in this league if everything came together. Sadly, none of it did. It's a shame because watching tonight's game you can see he was giving such an effort to play good defense, at times overthinking it and doing too much. He's trying so hard, it's just that he doesn't have the tools to do it in NJ.

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01-27-2013, 10:09 PM
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I feel like Tedenby should be added onto a Dman to get a better forward

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Anywhere that utilizes open space as opposed to the boards
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01-27-2013, 10:16 PM
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LOL!
What he's saying is that some teams play along the boards. The Devils play along the boards and force players and teams to play along the boards where the Devils are able to win puck battles and outmuscle them. Some teams like the Rangers and Coyotes, play a bit more of a collapsing style. In a system like that, he probably would fit in better then in the Devils system, as their focus isn't primarily along the boards.

Some teams like the Flyers play wide open hockey, or pretty close to it, which is where he would excel. It would allow him to use his offensive skills and skating. Here, the weaknesses of his game are just even more obvious in the system we play.

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01-27-2013, 11:35 PM
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Tedenby is very very bad defensively, but what exaggerates it is that he can't protect the puck. If he were built a little more stoutly like say Brian Gionta, he could do something in the league. He's a tremendous skater with excellent lateral movement, but he's useless cycling the puck and he doesn't have the strength to win board battles in the defensive zone. As people have already mention, the issue is not that he's scared, but he just can't win these battles. He probably ends up back in Europe at the end of this year. I hope one day he puts it all together, but like people said before, it's probably not with the Devils.

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01-28-2013, 12:55 AM
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Just some hypothetical trades:

Tedenby for Glennie
Tedenby for Korpikoski
Tedenby and Tallinder for Setoguchi
You'd definitely have to add for Korpedo and Setoguchi.

Glennie you might as well, I'm pretty sure Dallas brass is still VERY high on him.

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Tedenby is very very bad defensively, but what exaggerates it is that he can't protect the puck. If he were built a little more stoutly like say Brian Gionta, he could do something in the league. He's a tremendous skater with excellent lateral movement, but he's useless cycling the puck and he doesn't have the strength to win board battles in the defensive zone. As people have already mention, the issue is not that he's scared, but he just can't win these battles. He probably ends up back in Europe at the end of this year. I hope one day he puts it all together, but like people said before, it's probably not with the Devils.
I think this is a pretty good analysis. If he could gain strength without the loss of speed he could be a good NHL player, but at his size, it's going be very tough to gain one without sacrificing the other.

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01-28-2013, 01:15 AM
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Really isn't a fit in Edmonton, but I'd offer Omark for him

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01-28-2013, 02:08 AM
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You'd definitely have to add for Korpedo and Setoguchi.

Glennie you might as well, I'm pretty sure Dallas brass is still VERY high on him.
Wouldn't be so sure, at this point.

I would at least hope that they finally acknowledge him as a bust.

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01-28-2013, 02:11 AM
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Really isn't a fit in Edmonton, but I'd offer Omark for him
That's not even a lateral move, that's offering 25-year-old Tedenby for 22-year-old Tedenby.

Obviously no team in the league is going to be able to keep a kid from ever playing on the boards, especially as a winger, but there are systems like Philly and San Jose that focus more on transition play and attacking from open ice/behind the net that would suit Tedenby better.

Obviously Devils fans aren't looking for anything of significant value back. This thread's to gauge his value and see if there's even any value left of him. That becomes an issue on a place like this where people use very small sample sizes to determine a player's worth.

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01-28-2013, 02:15 AM
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If he is as ineffective as posters here are suggesting, why was he a 1st round pick?
It happens all the time. Tedenby reminds me a lot of another first round pick we had who is also from Sweden. Some of you Thrashers, Panthers, and maybe even Predators (He played like 10 or 12 games there early in 11/12) fans might remember him. Niclas Bergfors who was hyped up even more than Tedenby. He actually was used in the Kovalchuk trade, and put up some points in his half season as a regular with the Devils, and for parts of two seasons with the Thrashers.

He ended up in the KHL a year ago, and is already on his second team there. If I give my opinion of Tedenby on here then you'll probably literally wouldn't be willing to give a bag of pucks!

He's kinda useless on our team right now, but maybe he has a chance somewhere else. He could find success elsewhere. If something becomes of him it just doesn't look like it will be with us.


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01-28-2013, 05:10 AM
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Tedenby is useless right now. I would offer conditional 7th round pick, that means its better than putting him on waivers.

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His value in this thread seems like a sliding scale.

One considers him for Koprikoski a fair deal (Which I can't see happening)

When others see him as useless and not very valuable, and would prefer a prospect back, but judging by the Glennie offer, it doesn't seem like the prospect has to be as highly valued as Tedeby once was.

It is kind of intriguing from my POV, as the Canucks play a style that pushes the pace and is built around offence, doesn't guarantee success here, or that we would have high interest, but with our history of Swedes & our offensive style of play it is sort of intriguing.

Just not sure what we would give up, as like I said his value hasn't really been nailed down to any range of accuracy.


@hlaverty06: (Or anyone else with enough knowledge on the subject to make an accurate assessment)

You seem to know the most about him IMO, not sure if you know much about the Nucks or our prospects, but any idea of what is might reasonable take?

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01-28-2013, 06:44 AM
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people want a comparable style player look no further then phil kessel. Cant win the puck in the corner, cant throw big hits....but if you give him enough ice time and some descent line mates to dig out the puck he will flash around on the ice with it and put up some chances. Problem is devils play a gritty defensive style which is complete opposite of his playing making offense. (just so you know I wasnt comparing there skill, just there style lol dont need to flame me).

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01-28-2013, 07:27 AM
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people want a comparable style player look no further then phil kessel. Cant win the puck in the corner, cant throw big hits....but if you give him enough ice time and some descent line mates to dig out the puck he will flash around on the ice with it and put up some chances. Problem is devils play a gritty defensive style which is complete opposite of his playing making offense. (just so you know I wasnt comparing there skill, just there style lol dont need to flame me).
This has to be one of the worst comparables I've ever seen.

Tedenby is not NHL material. I don't care how we cut it, he's not made to play in the big league. His overall game isn't suited for the NHL and it has nothing to do with systems.

There's not one coach who will dress a top #6 forward who has no clue what to do when he doesn't have the puck and isn't all big of a threat to produce offensively.

If there is a coach like that, he's a couple of months from getting fired.

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01-28-2013, 07:45 AM
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people want a comparable style player look no further then phil kessel. Cant win the puck in the corner, cant throw big hits....but if you give him enough ice time and some descent line mates to dig out the puck he will flash around on the ice with it and put up some chances. Problem is devils play a gritty defensive style which is complete opposite of his playing making offense. (just so you know I wasnt comparing there skill, just there style lol dont need to flame me).
I lol'd.

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people want a comparable style player look no further then phil kessel. Cant win the puck in the corner, cant throw big hits....but if you give him enough ice time and some descent line mates to dig out the puck he will flash around on the ice with it and put up some chances. Problem is devils play a gritty defensive style which is complete opposite of his playing making offense. (just so you know I wasnt comparing there skill, just there style lol dont need to flame me).
Kessel has as much talent in his pinky than Tedenby has in his whole body.

Also Kessel engages physically, just not much and sometimes shys away from it

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01-28-2013, 09:50 AM
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If he gets traded it will probably be in a package deal or for another young forward that is similarly struggling to make it in the NHL

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Mattias Tedenby for Aaron Palushaj? :O

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So much talent but he just can't put it together it's a shame.

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Teddy is a square peg trying to fit into a round hole. He's just not going to go anywhere with New Jersey. I think he could still put up decent numbers in the right system. Not great, but I think he can be an productive player. Like a Jiri Tlusty type.

He draws tons of penalties and has excellent hands/wheels. He just has no hockey IQ or awareness of any type.

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