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01-25-2013, 01:05 PM
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Also I really love D's like Duncan Keith and Kris Letang, skating backwards as fast as straight forward etc. They don't grow on trees, but wings would be a much better team if they had 2-3D's like that that, can skate with the fastest forwards in the game etc. Kronwall is good but not on their level in terms of skating.

Hopefully they draft players with best skating ability, I think it will be even more important in the new and future NHL.. Skating and hockey-IQ, the rest will take care of itself.

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01-25-2013, 01:24 PM
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Also I really love D's like Duncan Keith and Kris Letang, skating backwards as fast as straight forward etc. They don't grow on trees, but wings would be a much better team if they had 2-3D's like that that, can skate with the fastest forwards in the game etc. Kronwall is good but not on their level in terms of skating.

Hopefully they draft players with best skating ability, I think it will be even more important in the new and future NHL.. Skating and hockey-IQ, the rest will take care of itself.
Agree with this. Skating is a premium in the NHL now, speed kills. The wings have some fast young guys now at least they were so slow for a while. Helm, Ferraro, Mursak are all really fast. Plus signing Brunner was to add speed to the top 6 I think.

As for Ouellet, yeah he will never be close to Keith or Letang but those 2 are probably top 3 in the league in skating for dmen. Ouellet skates fast enough to play though, he was just mroe exposed on big ice that he wasnt used to. If you watch the games for Canada though every dman struggled out there adjusting to the ice. I'd rather have Ouellet then Murphy even though Murphy is an amazing skater

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01-25-2013, 02:27 PM
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Also I really love D's like Duncan Keith and Kris Letang, skating backwards as fast as straight forward etc. They don't grow on trees, but wings would be a much better team if they had 2-3D's like that that, can skate with the fastest forwards in the game etc. Kronwall is good but not on their level in terms of skating.

Hopefully they draft players with best skating ability, I think it will be even more important in the new and future NHL.. Skating and hockey-IQ, the rest will take care of itself.
I know he probably won't get near that level although Keith really came out of nowhere, but by talent discription you pretty much just nailed Nick Jensen.

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I know he probably won't get near that level although Keith really came out of nowhere, but by talent discription you pretty much just nailed Nick Jensen.
Yeah Jensen can fly and Backman is a very good skater.

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01-25-2013, 02:48 PM
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Yeah Jensen can fly and Backman is a very good skater.
I still think Jensen might be the best skater in the entire system.

Right there with Ferraro, Anathasiou, and Quine. To the point we were talking about to he is still extremely fast when he throws it in reverse. The kid skates like a Boyle, Keith and Letang. He doesn't have their high end skill, but he is a lot like a very famous alumni from his school in Hedican.

I know he is older than a lot of people want but I see no way when I have watched him that he doesn't crack the NHL. His skating is just that good he will get a chance and he will do immediate damage in the AHL because of it in my opinion.

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01-26-2013, 12:47 AM
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Skating is important, but not as important as anticipation, positioning, and the like. Lidstrom was never an elite skater. Really he was average to slightly above average at best. He proved that you can excel using other skills, much like Ouellet is showing.

Bret Hedican was fast as the wind forwards and backwards but he was never more than a #3/4 type. Heck, just look at Brett Lebda to see why skating might be one of the more overrated benchmarks for a defenseman.

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01-26-2013, 01:19 AM
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Skating is important, but not as important as anticipation, positioning, and the like. Lidstrom was never an elite skater. Really he was average to slightly above average at best. He proved that you can excel using other skills, much like Ouellet is showing.

Bret Hedican was fast as the wind forwards and backwards but he was never more than a #3/4 type. Heck, just look at Brett Lebda to see why skating might be one of the more overrated benchmarks for a defenseman.
But you're naming NHL d-man, even Lebda had more than just a short stint in the NHL. Guys with the skating that Jensen has, generally make the show in some capacity. I am not saying he will be a star, just saying I see no way it doesn't get him to the big show at some point.

Hedican also played over a 1,000 games and was one of the better #3/4 types out there. He tailored that speed into a solid stay at home game, remains to be seen if Jensen can do that.

Ouellet is no doubt a much better player. I am a huge fan, his hockey IQ is impressive. He reminds me of Vlasic out in San Jose. Guy just rarely makes mistakes. I just don't think a lot of people know much about Jensen, I am fortunate enough to have seen him on a couple times and his skating is NHL level electric, especially for a backend guy. He also isn't a small guy either and a right handed shot, if we can turn him into a speedy stay at home guy I will jump with joy.

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Here's a link for Järnkrok vs Bäckman game that just started:

http://veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#510063ccc8950

Järnkrok #19 in white, Bäckman #5 in blue.

Bäckman with the PP assist as Linköping takes a 1-0 lead.

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But you're naming NHL d-man, even Lebda had more than just a short stint in the NHL. Guys with the skating that Jensen has, generally make the show in some capacity. I am not saying he will be a star, just saying I see no way it doesn't get him to the big show at some point.

Hedican also played over a 1,000 games and was one of the better #3/4 types out there. He tailored that speed into a solid stay at home game, remains to be seen if Jensen can do that.

Ouellet is no doubt a much better player. I am a huge fan, his hockey IQ is impressive. He reminds me of Vlasic out in San Jose. Guy just rarely makes mistakes. I just don't think a lot of people know much about Jensen, I am fortunate enough to have seen him on a couple times and his skating is NHL level electric, especially for a backend guy. He also isn't a small guy either and a right handed shot, if we can turn him into a speedy stay at home guy I will jump with joy.
I wasn't intending my comments to reflect on Jensen at all, just on the knock some have had for Ouellet's lack of elite skating.

I fully expect Jensen will make it to the NHL in at least a Lebda-type role.

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Bäckman ended up with the assist, a -1 and team high 22:18 icetime. Others:

Järnkrok 0+0, +/- 0, 17:12 icetime - Brynäs seem to be doing quite bad at the moment
Pulkkinen 0+0, +/- 0, 13:28 icetime
Marchenko 0+0, +1, 14:29 icetime
Bodin did not play

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Bäckman ended up with the assist, a -1 and team high 22:18 icetime. Others:

Järnkrok 0+0, +/- 0, 17:12 icetime - Brynäs seem to be doing quite bad at the moment
Pulkkinen 0+0, +/- 0, 13:28 icetime
Marchenko 0+0, +1, 14:29 icetime
Bodin did not play
I'm digging the offensive production and big mins Backman is eating up. Looking forward to seeing him in an Intl tournament like the WC to see how he does against the best in the world.

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01-26-2013, 03:26 PM
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Bäckman seem to be like A2.. getting plenty of apples, mostly on the pp. But it's also a bit of a concern when you don't score goals, most of the times it means you have a bad/weak shot. Sproul scores plenty of goals to go with his assists because he has a lethal shot.

Haven't watched Linköping but judging from his stats I take it he doesn't have a good/powerful shot.

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Bäckman seem to be like A2.. getting plenty of apples, mostly on the pp. But it's also a bit of a concern when you don't score goals, most of the times it means you have a bad/weak shot. Sproul scores plenty of goals to go with his assists because he has a lethal shot.

Haven't watched Linköping but judging from his stats I take it he doesn't have a good/powerful shot.
It's nothing special but he doesn't use it much either, averaging just over 1,5 shots per game. Thankfully shooting is one of the easier skills to learn.

Him and Sproul don't play a similar style at all. And the levels they are playing at are quite far apart as well.

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Haven't watched Linköping but judging from his stats
that's how people form an opinion these days.

it's not even hard to find streams for elitserien this year. let alone that you can drive down a bit to watch him live.

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Backman's shot is both underused and quite weak, his biggest area of improvement along with weight. Is A2 Almqvist? His shot on the other hand is not weak, just underused. But he's shown improvement using it. 5 goals and as many rebound goals have come from his shot this year, that's pretty good in a pro league.

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that's how people form an opinion these days.

it's not even hard to find streams for elitserien this year. let alone that you can drive down a bit to watch him live.
SEL sucks... big ice, trap-tactics, no physical play... yuck

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Bäckman seem to be like A2.. getting plenty of apples, mostly on the pp. But it's also a bit of a concern when you don't score goals, most of the times it means you have a bad/weak shot. Sproul scores plenty of goals to go with his assists because he has a lethal shot.

Haven't watched Linköping but judging from his stats I take it he doesn't have a good/powerful shot.
None of Linköping's D-men have scored that many goals this season - out of 117 goals, they've scored 12. We have three that haven't scored at all, so just because Bäckman hasn't scored more goals, I wouldn't say it's a big issue for him as a player in general.

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None of Linköping's D-men have scored that many goals this season - out of 117 goals, they've scored 12. We have three that haven't scored at all, so just because Bäckman hasn't scored more goals, I wouldn't say it's a big issue for him as a player in general.
The most important thing IMO is he's playing the most mins on his team in one of the top 2-3 leagues in the world. I'm pretty sure he's signed on for another season in the SEL. So he'll be able to continue to refine his game against very good competition. He's nothing like Almqvist as his game continues to show improvement. AA levelled off in the SEL and is only now showing improvement playing in a weaker league in the AHL.

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Sproul put up 2 more assists, has the exact same amount of points as Dougie Hamilton in 32 games played with 14 goals to Hamilton's 8 goals.

Frk - 1 goal +1
Ouellet - DNP (Don't know why)
Hudon - 2 goals (both on the power play)

Nedomlel - 1 assist +2

Sproul - 2 assists -1
Quine - +1 (Now plus 7 in 7 games with 10 points since the trade)
AA forward - -1

Imagine that those of us that kept saying Quine's +/- was the result of his team, well it sure looks like it these days...

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Sproul put up 2 more assists, has the exact same amount of points as Dougie Hamilton in 32 games played with 14 goals to Hamilton's 8 goals.

Frk - 1 goal +1
Ouellet - DNP (Don't know why)
Hudon - 2 goals (both on the power play)

Nedomlel - 1 assist +2

Sproul - 2 assists -1
Quine - +1 (Now plus 7 in 7 games with 10 points since the trade)
AA forward - -1

Imagine that those of us that kept saying Quine's +/- was the result of his team, well it sure looks like it these days...
What I read on Twitter was that they simply rested him. But you never know what's really happening, might be a minor injury etc.

Jensen 0+0, +/- 0
Marshall 0+0, -1, 4 PIM
McKee 0+0, +1 (wasn't suspended despite yesterday's fight)
De Haas 0+1

Marchenko playing right now, here are some links: http://livetv.ru/en/eventinfo/150907...moscow_atlant/

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Does anyone know why mike mckee was out for like 5 games? was he hurt or suspended?

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Does anyone know why mike mckee was out for like 5 games? was he hurt or suspended?
Suspended.

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Sproul put up 2 more assists, has the exact same amount of points as Dougie Hamilton in 32 games played with 14 goals to Hamilton's 8 goals.

Frk - 1 goal +1
Ouellet - DNP (Don't know why)
Hudon - 2 goals (both on the power play)

Nedomlel - 1 assist +2

Sproul - 2 assists -1
Quine - +1 (Now plus 7 in 7 games with 10 points since the trade)
AA forward - -1

Imagine that those of us that kept saying Quine's +/- was the result of his team, well it sure looks like it these days...
I hope Sproul can win the scoring title for d-men. That would be pretty amazing considering all the games he's missed.

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Both Bäckman and Järnkrok chosen to the Swedish national team roster for next week's tournament.

Didn't catch the coach introducing Bäckman but when talking about Järnkrok he praised his backchecking in the tournament played in Finland.

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Both Bäckman and Järnkrok chosen to the Swedish national team roster for next week's tournament.

Didn't catch the coach introducing Bäckman but when talking about Järnkrok he praised his backchecking in the tournament played in Finland.
Nice to know he's developing his two-way game, that should he'll have an easier time adjusting to the NA game and be fast tracked to the NHL. Imagine if we had Nyquist up last year, Tatar this year, we could have had potentially had Jarnkrok make the jump next year as well.

On that note what prospects will be in the show next year? Nyquist & Tatar for sure, Sheahan, Andersson or Ferraro possibly?

Making the jump to the AHL/ECHL is Jarnkrok, Pulkkinen, Ouellet, Sproul, Jensen/Marchenko, Nedomlel & Quine?

Most of our top prospects are headed to the pro game next year, it's going to suck losing some of these guys to waivers (assuming they all develop).

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