If Weiss refuses to talk extension in season, I wouldn't trade for him. He will just leave.
I don't know about that. He's been in Florida his whole career and hasn't been able to to do much with them. I don't think he's the type who's really selective about where he goes, just looking for a change.
I don't know about that. He's been in Florida his whole career and hasn't been able to to do much with them. I don't think he's the type who's really selective about where he goes, just looking for a change.
I'm guessing he just knows some team is dying to go full retard on his next contract. Amnesty buy outs will leave the same idiots who dolled out those bad deals all kinds of funny money to throw around yet again.
My guess is Lankow and If not Connolly. I think a Yandle for ROR type deal or player could work but I see that as unlikely now. GMDM is in a position of weakness, since everyone now knows they are 1-4, and desperately need a center. He won't be able to negotiate from strength, so we might be biting the bullet and using the scrap pile....
I guess you are right. It'd have to be ROR+ for Yandle, from a financial standpoint.
I know that there are many people on this board who would take ROR+ for Yandle in a nanosecond, but I've never wanted to take someone else's problem. We've had more than our share of problem players and I don't want history to repeat itself.
I know that there are many people on this board who would take ROR+ for Yandle in a nanosecond, but I've never wanted to take someone else's problem. We've had more than our share of problem players and I don't want history to repeat itself.
Fair enough. Especially considering Yandle's loyalty and the fact that he might outscore ROR every season for the rest of their careers.
IMO, Islanders need to add. Yandle is better than he showed in the first three games and trading him and Torres for a prospect and a 3rd line center(okay, second line in Phoenix) is not doing him justice.
IMO, Islanders need to add. Yandle is better than he showed in the first three games and trading him and Torres for a prospect and a 3rd line center(okay, second line in Phoenix) is not doing him justice.
take Torres out.
I'm not knocking Torres, but the isles have a couple of big, physical forward prospects in B. Nelson and Kabanov. Add in two way forwards like Sundstrom, Cizikas and Ullstrom, Torres is a luxury. Isles would rather have their cheaper kids taking that bottom 6 spot.
ROR wants $5million per year...and yes, if we did want to sign him for that amount, we'd have to give up a player like Yandle.
With the upcoming bumps in contracts for Vrbata, Boedker and OEL, I don't think we can afford a ROR
I think that's the # the media put out there. More like ~ $4 mil/
thought about a RO'R & Downie 4 Yandle trade awhile back, but Downie is hurt and RO'R is still unsigned. Ryan is one of the few players I wouldn't mind losing Yandle for.
Torres doesnt matter much in a deal like that. Very imaginative though and really benefits both teams. In the end though Yandle is Phoenix through and through, I find it hard to see him leaving even with OEL's progress and the depth in defense.
As impractical as a trade might be, can't think of many players I would rather see in Yotes jersey than Couturier. Born in Phoenix, big 2 way guy who can score and is only 20. Realize it would likely take OEL to get him and neither Philly nor the Yotes are likley to pull the trigger on something like that.
Especially considering Yandle's loyalty and the fact that he might outscore ROR every season for the rest of their careers.
But ROR brings better defense to the table than the effin defenseman in that conversation. I like Yandle's personality. I do not like his wild inconsistency, his softness and his penchant for gambling at the worst times. Teams have figured him out, to a certain degree. He is no Karlsson. A captain should be capable of throwing hits and holding his own in a fight. Call it old school or narrow minded, but that's how I feel. After so many years of Doan, you sort of come to expect it.
I would absolutely trade him for something like O'Reilly and Sgarbossa, or ROR and a nice pick. Hell, I'd even start throwing in Michigan products if they want to give us even more value.
ROR would, in all likelihood, be the most complete center to ever play for this team. Dave Tippett would fall in love. A pairing with Boedker makes for a line virtually guaranteed to out score opponents. Did I mention we'd still have Hanzal? It would give Tippett two lines he can roll, without any concerns as to who the opposition has out there. ROR + Hanzal is the type of 1-2 punch that can win cups.
Still a very difficult trade to make and sell.
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As impractical as a trade might be, can't think of many players I would rather see in Yotes jersey than Couturier. Born in Phoenix, big 2 way guy who can score and is only 20. Realize it would likely take OEL to get him and neither Philly nor the Yotes are likley to pull the trigger on something like that.
Couturier is good, but he isn't OEL good. Flyers would probably trade Brayden Schenn first, but Couturier is the one I'd want. Hanzal with more offense.
I like Yandle's personality. I do not like his wild inconsistency, his softness and his penchant for gambling at the worst times. Teams have figured him out, to a certain degree. He is no Karlsson. A captain should be capable of throwing hits and holding his own in a fight. Call it old school or narrow minded, but that's how I feel. After so many years of Doan, you sort of come to expect it.
I completely agree with you there. I hate goons and staged fights, but a team captain needs to handle his own physically IMO. Yandle's softness has always bothered me. And yes, I do believe he's been figured out. He's a wild card, but also a bit of a one trick pony.
Clearly I'm not as sour on Yandle as most, but it's easier to say "screw this season, 48 games is BS anyway" than it is to actually feel that way. I want to compete. I want to make the playoffs. With the way Schlemko and Morris are playing, and the way OEL is progressing, and how I expect Michalek to settle in and Klesla to return...I can see being better with a couple of much better pieces up front instead of Keith Yandle.
58% FO, took 25% of Toronto's faceoffs last year.
edit: the only guys who had more wins (%) with more draws were Bergeron and Toews. That's elite. Higher than Vermette and Gordon.
6'6, 215. His hits over 82 games would be good for top 25 among all forwards.
Scratched 4 times this season. Probably dirt cheap.
58% FO, took 25% of Toronto's faceoffs last year.
edit: the only guys who had more wins (%) with more draws were Bergeron and Toews. That's elite. Higher than Vermette and Gordon.
6'6, 215. His hits over 82 games would be good for top 25 among all forwards.
Scratched 4 times this season. Probably dirt cheap.
He's also thirty years old, has never hit ten goals or twenty points in the NHL, thus far. I want Gordon to be the fourth line center, not get moved up the depth chart. I just want a little more scoring in a Lombardi replacement. That said, if there is really nothing out there, you can do worse than Steckel who is all of the things you mentioned, plus a guy who generally is #1 in PK time for forwards, regardless of what team he plays for.
He's also thirty years old, has never hit ten goals or twenty points in the NHL, thus far. I want Gordon to be the fourth line center, not get moved up the depth chart. I just want a little more scoring in a Lombardi replacement.
I want a lot of things. Doesn't mean I'll get them. Steckel lets you roll 4 lines that can be counted on to possess the puck. Probably the best 4 centers in the league, FO wise. There aren't many options out there to replace Lombardi or keep this team together that don't involve moving significant pieces. Yandle has a 5.25 hit. You could realistically trade him for ROR, sign ROR to an escalating contract and use the change to go out and acquire another forward. Or try and get Sgarbossa included, hope he turns into an NHLer.
Realistically, whoever we trade/sign is going to be riding with Torres and Moss. Offense is a bonus when paired with those two.
A bottom 6 of:
Torres - Gordon - Moss
Klinkhammer - Steckel - Johnson
Chips
is much better than the crap we are icing now. This team absolutely has to find a way to get the 3rd and 4th line players more ice time, or they will lose every back-to-back and be gassed come March and April. The goal being to just possess the puck and hit the other team a lot. That's all you can hope for. The Coyotes do not have the luxury of sexy hockey. Also, I'd love to trade Biz away.
Go through the depth charts. Just not a lot of options out there.
I want a lot of things. Doesn't mean I'll get them. Steckel lets you roll 4 lines that can be counted on to possess the puck. Probably the best 4 centers in the league, FO wise. There aren't many options out there to replace Lombardi or keep this team together that don't involve moving significant pieces. Yandle has a 5.25 hit. You could realistically trade him for ROR, sign ROR to an escalating contract and use the change to go out and acquire another forward. Or try and get Sgarbossa included, hope he turns into an NHLer.
Realistically, whoever we trade/sign is going to be riding with Torres and Moss. Offense is a bonus when paired with those two.
A bottom 6 of:
Torres - Gordon - Moss
Klinkhammer - Steckel - Johnson
Chips
is much better than the crap we are icing now. This team absolutely has to find a way to get the 3rd and 4th line players more ice time, or they will lose every back-to-back and be gassed come March and April. The goal being to just possess the puck and hit the other team a lot. That's all you can hope for. The Coyotes do not have the luxury of sexy hockey. Also, I'd love to trade Biz away.
Go through the depth charts. Just not a lot of options out there.
Like I said, you can do worse, and he'd likely be a good fit. Your third line is what I want my fourth line to be, and your fourth line, is what I want down in the AHL. Again, want in one hand and **** in the other, right? Still, if we're trading with Toronto, I'd prefer Connolly to Steckel if possible. If they are unwilling to eat more salary, than I'm good with Steckel as the 4th C, rather than Chipchura who I like as the 4th LW (much more so than Klinkhammer).
