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Phil Kessel to WEST CONF (top prospect/young player + 1st 2013)

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01-28-2013, 09:00 AM
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Phil Kessel to WEST CONF (top prospect/young player + 1st 2013)

Any takers out there?

Looking for a young player or top prospect and 2013 1st round pick. Similar to the LA + CBJ deal for Carter.

Leafs need to move on from the Burke era. This trade has haunted the organization. It haunts us every time we play Boston.


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Not sure if both sides would do this, but Tarasenko + 1st for Kessel could be interesting

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Any takers out there?

Looking for a young player or top prospect and 2013 1st round pick. Similar to the LA + CBJ deal for Carter.

Leafs need to move on from the Burke era. This trade has haunted the organization. It haunts us every time we play Boston. Its time the leafs started a proper re build. This years draft is the perfect time to do so.
I know David Poile was pretty bitter after Boston agreed to terms and then yanked it off the table when Toronto stepped in with a second 1st.

Does Craig Smith, Jon Blum, and a 1st interest you?

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Not sure if both sides would do this, but Tarasenko + 1st for Kessel could be interesting
haha, the Blues would NEVER do this

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Not sure if both sides would do this, but Tarasenko + 1st for Kessel could be interesting
Tarasenko is a better player than Kessel right now... just saying.

I am not a Blues homer or a Kessel hater. This is just the truth.

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Not sure if both sides would do this, but Tarasenko + 1st for Kessel could be interesting
There's no way in hell STL would do that. The window of time in which PK is a better player than VT could be very, very small.

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Not sure if both sides would do this, but Tarasenko + 1st for Kessel could be interesting
Done, where's the paperwork?

To be fair, Tarasenko is a future superstar in my mind.

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Count the Hawks out.

Already have Kane and Hossa, and Kessel isn't a 3rd liner.

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Tarasenko is a better player than Kessel right now... just saying.

I am not a Blues homer or a Kessel hater. This is just the truth.
Even as a Sens fan I think your statement is ridiculous. Tarasenko has played 5 games, I can understand wanting to hold on to him but he hasn't done enough to be considered an elite goal scorer on the level of Phil Kessel.

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Tarasenko is a better player than Kessel right now... just saying.

I am not a Blues homer or a Kessel hater. This is just the truth.
Agreed. Watching Tarasenko on the ice you can tell he's already a real good player, better then Kessel IMO.

Gonna be a real star in a couple years. No doubt about it.

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Agreed. Watching Tarasenko on the ice you can tell he's already a real good player, better then Kessel IMO.

Gonna be a real star in a couple years. No doubt about it.
Are we able to stay on topic? Its not a kessel tarasenko comparison thread. It's clear that deal won't work. On to the next offer

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Couldn't get a prospect of Tarasenkos calibre. From St. Louis, it would probably be someone like Shwartz.

I'd say guys like this could potentially be had: Shwartz, Gormley, Coyle, etc.

You also have to consider team needs, team development curve (aka are they rebuilding, building, contending, etc?).

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kessel scores 2 tonight and then leaf fans will like him again

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Wilson + Budish + 1st + conditional pick (depending on team performance)
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Kessel + Bozak


**this is just to see value, I am happy with keeping Kessel; All leaf fans know what he can do

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kessel scores 2 tonight and then leaf fans will like him again
Reimer tends to allow a lot of easy goals at practice. I wouldn't put it past Phil to score a couple.

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Not sure if both sides would do this, but Tarasenko + 1st for Kessel could be interesting
If the leafs decide to go into rebuild mode and this is a package offered for Kessel, nonis would be an absolute fool not to take it, Tarasenko is an absolute stud for what little i have seen of him. I think the first makes this an overpayment just because of how deep this draft is said to be.

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kessel scores 2 tonight and then leaf fans will like him again
A lot of people have been arguing for a while that the Leafs should trade Kessel and that it would likely be the best way to build the team. For the majority of people arguing this, it has absolutely nothing to do with this season.

Just using large brush strokes to pretend that anybody who suggests trading Kessel is a bipolar fan making knee-jerk reactions is ridiculous.

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obviously not the West but Niederreiter, Martin, and 1st (1st overall protected)

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This has likely been discussed numerous times, but the only fit I can see in the western conference offhand is Colorado. Would a deal around O'Reilly and Kessel benefit both teams? I'm not suggesting straight up necessarily, however I feel this could be a pretty decent core of a deal.

Benefits for Toronto:
-O'Reilly is slightly younger and if Toronto were to rebuild like OP suggests, would fit a bit better in the younger core.
-He would fit much better in Carlyle's system.
-Leafs find their center, and have a chance to draft another high-end winger in the draft.

Benefits for Colorado:
-Kessel is the superior player in terms of offense and would be a nice fit on a line with Matt Duchene or Paul Stastny
-I may be off on this completely so bare with me, but last time I watched the Avs they were playing a uptempo highspeed game and Kessel may benefit in that system much like he did with the Leafs last year.

Like I said, I haven't watched the Avalanche in a while, but this is just a thought.

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A lot of people have been arguing for a while that the Leafs should trade Kessel and that it would likely be the best way to build the team. For the majority of people arguing this, it has absolutely nothing to do with this season.

Just using large brush strokes to pretend that anybody who suggests trading Kessel is a bipolar fan making knee-jerk reactions is ridiculous.
then we have no big scorers
kessel needs a top center thats all

trading him might fill one hole but creates another

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I hate these threads from Leafs fans.


We just traded Tyler Seguin and Dougie Hamilton for Kessel, who has been a 30+goal guy every season and still young, and fans want to trade him for players or prospects who may never pan out close to what we have in Phil.

Kessel plays five scoreless games under a new coach and shortened season and all the hyenas are out.

Wait until he gets his first hat trick and watch all the Leafs fans turtle back.

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I don't think the Wild would have any qualms about offering Setoguchi and their 2013 1st Round. Don't know if that's enough for the Leafs and I'm not sure how much more MN would be comfortable to add after that. Minnesota's cap number would also be an issue. However, an upgrade at wing is looking like a need at this stage for the Wild if they don't choose to go with their youth.

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then we have no big scorers
kessel needs a top center thats all

trading him might fill one hole but creates another
Snipers aren't as important as centres. Who were the elite snipers on LA and Boston when they won the Cup? All teams that win the Cup have good centres, but not all have elite snipers.

Not to mention even among the elite snipers in the league. Kessel has never cracked 40 goals, let alone 50. Kessel is scared of physical play, whereas guys like Gaborik/Heatley/etc will at least take a hit. Kessel is bad defensively whereas a guy like Gaborik is at least decent, etc.

Then there's the argument that either Kessel won't want to stay in Toronto (never made playoffs, criticized by intense media all the time, Burke is gone, etc) so we don't want to lose him for nothing. Or the alternative that he does resign, but that it's very likely he'll be getting signed at north of 7M, which IMO is far too much for a one-dimensional guy who's scared of being checked.

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I don't think the Wild would have any qualms about offering Setoguchi and their 2013 1st Round. Don't know if that's enough for the Leafs and I'm not sure how much more MN would be comfortable to add after that. Minnesota's cap number would also be an issue. However, an upgrade at wing is looking like a need at this stage for the Wild if they don't choose to go with their youth.
More like Dumba/Hackett + 2013 1st

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More like Dumba/Hackett + 2013 1st
I really can't see a 7th overall last year (Dumba) and a 1st in one of the deepest drafts in years for Kessel. In theory, that's as much as Burke paid to get him in the first place, no? Sounds like an attempt to recoup much of what the value of the 1st round picks Burke gave turned out to be.

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I definitely want to get in on this action!

It's a rare opportunity for the Avs to give up:

- A player who doesn't fit into their plans
- A prospect that we could always live without
- A draft pick

...all the while completely ignoring the other teams' needs.

Then, when the offer is laughed at, I will get angry and start to rip-apart Kessel's game and state that he's not that good anyways.

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