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01-28-2013, 09:48 AM
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C'mon PK and Bergy, get 'er done!

Team's flying right now. I'd love to see it with him in the lineup!

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01-28-2013, 09:49 AM
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Well, this is assuming that what we said was the reason.
If the reason is because Bergevin isn't sold on PK's development, then it's a whole other story.
If MB has so many doubts, he should cash in with a trade. There are plenty of overhyped prospects who get traded, like EJ or the Schenn brothers or even Jeff Carter. That's how the Flyers ended up with Sean Couturier. You either believe in PK and lock him up long-term cheap or you move on. The bridge idea will only end up costing the Habs a lot more money.

Anyway, not that it makes a difference at this point since MB will sign him to that lowball contract. I just hope that they don't crush PK's enthusiasm in the process. That would really suck. When you feel like your employer treats you unfairly, you may act like a pro for a while but then you look for another place to work the first chance you get. Just saying.

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01-28-2013, 09:52 AM
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You are only thinking short term, as in the next two years. Assuming he continues to play the way he has the last two years, or more likely, play better, whatever savings you get in the next two years would be blasted and the Habs will end up paying more long term. So which is more important? Short term savings or long term savings? Besides, 4-5mill is only overpayment if he regresses in the next two years.
There is no savings. Habs will always spend to close the cap. This isn't about the organization being "cheap", it about spreading the wealth suitably. Whatever goes to PK won't go to other players. PK can't win the cup by himself. Also the habs have the advantage to give one more year to PK that other teams can't. He'll get his long term contract, he just needs to wait a bit.

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01-28-2013, 09:54 AM
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Same here...as the days have passed and as I believe this will come to an end soon with PK signing a 2 year deal. I'm starting to understand more and more why this actually might be the best thing for all parties involved.
Pineapples here. I think signing P.K to a 2 year deal is great. When we negociate again he'll be a RFA.

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01-28-2013, 09:56 AM
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If MB has so many doubts, he should cash in with a trade. There are plenty of overhyped prospects who get traded, like EJ or the Schenn brothers or even Jeff Carter. That's how the Flyers ended up with Sean Couturier. You either believe in PK and lock him up long-term cheap or you move on. The bridge idea will only end up costing the Habs a lot more money.

Anyway, not that it makes a difference at this point since MB will sign him to that lowball contract. I just hope that they don't crush PK's enthusiasm in the process. That would really suck. When you feel like your employer treats you unfairly, you may act like a pro for a while but then you look for another place to work the first chance you get. Just saying.
What if P.k signs to a 5 year deal right now and then walks out on us at 28 years old in the prime of his career. I'd rather sign him long term at 25 years when he's a RFA.

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01-28-2013, 10:01 AM
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What if P.k signs to a 5 year deal right now and then walks out on us at 28 years old in the prime of his career. I'd rather sign him long term at 25 years when he's a RFA.
Hopefully, MB believes in contract extensions instead of going down the wire like Gainey.

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01-28-2013, 10:02 AM
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If MB has so many doubts, he should cash in with a trade. There are plenty of overhyped prospects who get traded, like EJ or the Schenn brothers or even Jeff Carter. That's how the Flyers ended up with Sean Couturier. You either believe in PK and lock him up long-term cheap or you move on. The bridge idea will only end up costing the Habs a lot more money.

Anyway, not that it makes a difference at this point since MB will sign him to that lowball contract. I just hope that they don't crush PK's enthusiasm in the process. That would really suck. When you feel like your employer treats you unfairly, you may act like a pro for a while but then you look for another place to work the first chance you get. Just saying.
Even if Habs mgmt have doubts, there's little risk involved signing Subban to a long-term contract, hometown discount or not. If he doesn't reach the expected ceiling, some teams will still be interested in him somewhere down the line. There are always takers even when the contracts are big. See Richards, Carter, Campbell, etc, for different reasons. I don't see a problem with a 3.5-to-5 million multiple year contract. Front-loaded, back-loaded, whatever.

Don't trade PK now. Sign him and if you're not satisfied with his progress/results/1ceiling, make a trade happen somewhere down the line.

It's time we stop letting go of our assets.

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01-28-2013, 10:02 AM
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If MB has so many doubts, he should cash in with a trade. There are plenty of overhyped prospects who get traded, like EJ or the Schenn brothers or even Jeff Carter. That's how the Flyers ended up with Sean Couturier. You either believe in PK and lock him up long-term cheap or you move on. The bridge idea will only end up costing the Habs a lot more money.

Anyway, not that it makes a difference at this point since MB will sign him to that lowball contract. I just hope that they don't crush PK's enthusiasm in the process. That would really suck. When you feel like your employer treats you unfairly, you may act like a pro for a while but then you look for another place to work the first chance you get. Just saying.
As I said in my other post, I think it depends a lot on the reasons. We're not inside the rooms so we really don't know what they have discussed.
Now, even if there isn't much comprises made, or so it's rumored, each side must give out reasons as to why they feel entitled to wtv cash they want.
We know why PK is asking for his fair share. What we don't know is why Bergevin is sticking to his guns. People are saying that it's such a huge important negotiation and he can't lose, blablabla, but I think that's pure media BS.
Bergevin can't lose here. The only way he could lose is if he trades him, but he came out twice to say he won't do that.
So, sign PK to bridge deal=Win, PK's on the team.
Sign PK long term=Win, PK's on the team.
Either way, management wins as we sign a very good player.
This Management vs PK attitude is just media at work. Like the East Coast vs West Coast rap days, except they dealt with a bunch of people that were from the hood and in gangs, rapping about violence. Point is, it's media creating a story where there isn't one.

The only thing we know as to why Bergevin is offering a bridge deal is because he wants to create a financial philosophy. That's great, but there must be a reason why for that as well. I don't think it's all about the dollar signs. I think it has to do with relieving pressure off these kids. Committing to a long term deal to higher dollars means more responsibilities and pressure. It falls into place if we look at what PK said when speaking of the pressure and how he doesn't feel he can have more of it than what he had over the past two years.
At least, as I said, that's what I'm hoping for. It would make management look like they are actually looking out for what's best for PK (well, also covering their ***** in case it doesn't work out for him). But it makes sense, unlike all the other BS that really doesn't.

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Hopefully, MB believes in contract extensions instead of going down the wire like Gainey.
I know that but nothing guarantees us he won't want to test the free agent market.

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01-28-2013, 10:04 AM
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For what its worth, rumors are that Subban's nameplate on his locker in Brossard and his equipment have been removed from the facility over the weekend lol...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle7903993/

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01-28-2013, 10:07 AM
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For what its worth, rumors are that Subban's nameplate on his locker in Brossard and his equipment have been removed from the facility over the weekend lol...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle7903993/
This is old news.

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01-28-2013, 10:08 AM
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Sorry, the principals should be to do what's best for the team. Now, unless bridge contracts are ALWAYS best for the team, it shouldn't be a principal to live and die on.
No as a GM your 'principals' are to do business the way you see fit and fair for your team. MB is doing just that by showing Pernell and the boys that he wont be muscled. MB is an Alpha male and thats what this team has been missing badly.

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01-28-2013, 10:12 AM
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No as a GM your 'principals' are to do business the way you see fit and fair for your team. MB is doing just that by showing Pernell and the boys that he wont be muscled. MB is an Alpha male and thats what this team has been missing badly.
I really doubt that this has anything to do with it. It sounded extremely weird right from the start. To pick an ego battle versus your star just to prove a point and show dominance. It's retarded.

I think it's about Bergevin believing PK would benefit a lot more from playing without the added pressure of a big contract.

I don't think it has anything to do with showing who's the Alpha male or even saving cap space. I really think it's about protecting the kid.

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No as a GM your 'principals' are to do business the way you see fit and fair for your team. MB is doing just that by showing Pernell and the boys that he wont be muscled. MB is an Alpha male and thats what this team has been missing badly.
This is just more approaching the problem as if what MB does is reasonable ipso-facto. Arguing about MB's policies, and whether they're good or not, is tough, so we'll just call him an "alpha" instead of an "idiot."

...you realize MB's not going to dry-hump PK into submission, like ever, don't you? So if that's what you're waiting for, you may want to move on...

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For what its worth, rumors are that Subban's nameplate on his locker in Brossard and his equipment have been removed from the facility over the weekend lol...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle7903993/
well we all know step 1 for trading a player is removing his nameplate fromt he dressing room at the practice facility

it's the end of an era

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This is just more approaching the problem as if what MB does is reasonable ipso-facto. Arguing about MB's policies, and whether they're good or not, is tough, so we'll just call him an "alpha" instead of an "idiot."

...you realize MB's not going to dry-hump PK into submission, like ever, don't you? So if that's what you're waiting for, you may want to move on...
haha that got weird

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My prediction: 7.5/2 years coming tomorrow
I'm thinking more like 2 years 6.5 mil....

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Subban watch on twitter. Apparently Omark & a 3rd is too much for Subban.
What we have learned during all this is that Oilers fans are probably worse then Leafs fans when it comes time to talk trade!!

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01-28-2013, 10:23 AM
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well we all know step 1 for trading a player is removing his nameplate fromt he dressing room at the practice facility

it's the end of an era
I hear the first step in acquiring a player is when gloves show up in team colors too...

Since I haven't weighed in on the Subban situation yet, I'm thinking this will turn out like the Gorges situation with more money involved. One year deal then signs long term before the end of the season when all is said and done.

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What we miss most about Subban is his shutdown abilities. Who cares about his high point production potential!!

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when pk signs his 2 year deal everyone will be happy MB stood firm like the ALPHA that he is. Then when the 2 years are up Habs can lock him up longterm keeping him a Hab for the longest possible time before becoming UFA.

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hopefully he's right. And hopefully the crowd shows him a lot of love when he comes back, l'antichambre has been (obviously) on Bergevin's side on this whole issue I'm afraid some of the less hardcore fans will boo him as if he was just a greedy egocentric player.
I doubt it, the fans understand both sides of the negotiations. I'm on Bergevin's side but i'll cheer like crazy when he is signed. Doubt he gets booed, really doubt it

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What I miss about PK being there is having to watch more of Kaberle play

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What we have learned during all this is that Oilers fans are probably worse then Leafs fans when it comes time to talk trade!!
For a team that was delivered a ton of prospects on a silver spoon, they sure have a hard time evaluating talent.

I remember this summer (albeit on another board) where they were saying it would cost Price + Subban + Galchenyuk to pick up Yakupov + Petry.

The worst part is, it was an Oilers fan suggesting the trade, not a Habs fan inquiring. Also, apparently Subban isn't worth more than Petry either, and Price is not that much better than Dubynk. I know there's got to be some realistic Oilers fans out there, but those I talked to this summer were not of that mold.

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