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01-28-2013, 10:55 AM
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Condon and Meurs have been really hot lately, like over PPG hot.
Condon might quietly turn into a decent center. He has tons of speed and good puck handling skills. He also seems to get a good amount of SHG (had 4 last year).

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His numbers were actually boosted up by Stefan Elliott (who is probably another bust in your eyes), which made him look like a two-way defenseman when in reality he was always a shutdown guy. Plus he was getting PP minutes as well because Saskatoon lacked offensive guys, but now they have offensive defensemen and he just plays top minutes 5v5 and PK situations.
Picking a defenseman that is a purely shutdown specialist at number 11 is a mistake. And if Siemens' offensive game is dependent on others than I like the pick even less.

Elliott by virtue of his draft position is most certainly not a bust. Defenseman take longer to develop generally speaking, but if you don't have a few questions about his game then you're just putting the blinders on.

But this is Avaland where everything is fine and all our prospects will develop.

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Picking a defenseman that is a purely shutdown specialist at number 11 is a mistake. And if Siemens' offensive game is dependent on others than I like the pick even less.

Elliott by virtue of his draft position is most certainly not a bust. Defenseman take longer to develop generally speaking, but if you don't have a few questions about his game then you're just putting the blinders on.

But this is Avaland where everything is fine and all our prospects will develop.
Fair enough, but my question is do you think Brodin is a bust?

Also I preferred to draft Bartschi with our second 1st that year, but Siemens definitely brings a style that we've missed since Foote. He needs to be developed properly and not rushed.

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Condon might quietly turn into a decent center. He has tons of speed and good puck handling skills. He also seems to get a good amount of SHG (had 4 last year).
I was able to see him a few times last year and he is very dangerous on the PK. He has good predictability to where the puck will be and very strong skater makes him deadly. There were tons of times that he created breakaways on the PK (He could've had atleast 8 shorthanded goals if he scored on all of them).

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01-28-2013, 02:04 PM
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Picking a defenseman that is a purely shutdown specialist at number 11 is a mistake. And if Siemens' offensive game is dependent on others than I like the pick even less.

Elliott by virtue of his draft position is most certainly not a bust. Defenseman take longer to develop generally speaking, but if you don't have a few questions about his game then you're just putting the blinders on.

But this is Avaland where everything is fine and all our prospects will develop.
If all our current defensive prospects end up failing in the pros, I would hope everyone in management, scouting, and talent development get the heave-ho. Despite the fact that guys like Elliott won't necessarily be termed "busts" due to his draft position, but a lot has been invested in their development nonetheless. Their failure will set this rebuild back by more than a couple years.

That said, I'm reasonably confident we'll get a viable NHLer out of the current blueliner crop. But it's to be expected that at least one of them won't pan out.

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01-30-2013, 01:29 AM
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Speaking of defensive prospects, I noticed that Rutkowski has 49 points in 50 games. Hope Avs won't regret not signing him to an ELC.

Granted, it's as an overager on a very stacked junior team so the numbers might not be as impressive as they first appear to be.

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Speaking of defensive prospects, I noticed that Rutkowski has 49 points in 50 games. Hope Avs won't regret not signing him to an ELC.

Granted, it's as an overager on a very stacked junior team so the numbers might not be as impressive as they first appear to be.
Wouldn't be surprised if he's playing with a chip on his shoulder for it, but I'd have signed him personally. Then again, Lauridsen I wouldn't of signed and many people here are very annoyed the Avs don't give more Euros a shot.

Speaking of Euros, what's the word on Holos?

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Wouldn't be surprised if he's playing with a chip on his shoulder for it, but I'd have signed him personally. Then again, Lauridsen I wouldn't of signed and many people here are very annoyed the Avs don't give more Euros a shot.

Speaking of Euros, what's the word on Holos?
Flop. Has had a bad season in Vxj Lakers. Recently saw him on a list over flops of the season. Suprising since he was awesome in the Worlds for Norway.

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Condon might quietly turn into a decent center. He has tons of speed and good puck handling skills. He also seems to get a good amount of SHG (had 4 last year).
If Condon played with more intensity and with some physicality he might be a viable prospect.

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If Condon played with more intensity and with some physicality he might be a viable prospect.
If he could develop into a Brad Richardson clone I would be more than thrilled. A 4th line center sorts that can be dangerous on the PK.

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If all our current defensive prospects end up failing in the pros, I would hope everyone in management, scouting, and talent development get the heave-ho. Despite the fact that guys like Elliott won't necessarily be termed "busts" due to his draft position, but a lot has been invested in their development nonetheless. Their failure will set this rebuild back by more than a couple years.

That said, I'm reasonably confident we'll get a viable NHLer out of the current blueliner crop. But it's to be expected that at least one of them won't pan out.
I think we might get 2 out of the 4 main prospects developing into good NHLers for us. My money is on Elliott and Siemens, given time. Barrie was obviously great in the AHL this year but Elliott showed flashes of how dynamic he could be in the NHL last year and just needs to get stronger/more experienced. I think he's still the better bet. I have no expectations for Gaunce at this point.

I agree with whoever said above that I wish we had taken Baertschi over Siemens.

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If Condon played with more intensity and with some physicality he might be a viable prospect.
does colorado still have condon's rights? i believe he was drafted in 2008, played 2 years in the ushl and now 3 years in college..?

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does colorado still have condon's rights? i believe he was drafted in 2008, played 2 years in the ushl and now 3 years in college..?
Should through his college eligibility.

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Should through his college eligibility.
i thought so too.. but there is a loophole (or was anyhow, it may have changed?) that has allowed some players to become free agents after 1 year of ushl and 3 years of college (phoenix lost blake wheelers rights and he signed with boston)

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There is a loophole (what it is I don't exactly know, Schultz and Wheeler both used it), but the Avs would still have a chance to sign him before he became a UFA. It would be doubtful any other team would give him much of a chance.

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If he could develop into a Brad Richardson clone I would be more than thrilled. A 4th line center sorts that can be dangerous on the PK.
Unfortunately not his style. Sure guys like TJ and Carey adjusted their games to play a more "pro" game so it can happen but Condon's success will probably come on the wing as a scorer. Problem is he's a longshot at best to even have an impact at the AHL level let alone the NHL. He's one a team who is patient and can really work with youngsters might reap some benefit but he has to find a team willing to give him a chance.

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i thought so too.. but there is a loophole (or was anyhow, it may have changed?) that has allowed some players to become free agents after 1 year of ushl and 3 years of college (phoenix lost blake wheelers rights and he signed with boston)
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There is a loophole (what it is I don't exactly know, Schultz and Wheeler both used it), but the Avs would still have a chance to sign him before he became a UFA. It would be doubtful any other team would give him much of a chance.
I believe that's the "Mike Van Ryn Rule." I believe Justin Schultz used it as well. Of course, Schultz knew he was going to be in huge demand. I can't imagine Condon would be, but he may opt to test the market.

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Colin Smith with 1G and 4A tonight.

So far on the season that's 54GP 35G 50A for 3rd in WHL scoring.

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Smith named CHL player of the week.

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http://blazerhockey.com/video/index/id/1360174897

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I really hope Smith can gain some strength and translate his game to a higher level. I'd like to see him get at least few games in Lake Erie next season just to see how he handles it. I believe LEM can sign him to an AHL deal (like they did with Beaupre) and if he doesn't work out he can be sent back the WHL again (like Heard was).

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What has been the cause of his offensive decline?
As mentioned, the biggest thing has been not playing with a star, pure offensive player like Elliott. He hasn't really developed offensively like he possibly could have, but honestly I couldn't care less.

His defensive game has grown leaps and bounds and if he continues to play well and improve, he'll likely be playing top 4 minutes with the Avalanche within a couple of years. His skating is elite for a kid that's now close to 6'4, his reach and stickwork are very good. Him and EJ on a pair would be pretty solid.

One area of his game that still needs to improve is his passing. He'll make a great pass one minute, then follow it up with a bad stretch pass or miss-fire on an outlet pass that's way too hard and not in the right spot. It's the one main complaint I have with his game right now.

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Siemens has gone from being a -10 early on to being a +20 now. While +/- has it's limitations as a stat, this big a swing should indicate him improving his play as the season has passed.

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Siemens has gone from being a -10 early on to being a +20 now. While +/- has it's limitations as a stat, this big a swing should indicate him improving his play as the season has passed.
That's good to hear, everyone was getting a bit down on the kid for a while. Can't wait to see him at camp next year.

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I have only seen a few games recently, but Siemens has looked pretty good lately. I'm looking forward to what he can do in Lake Erie next year. I think there is a possibility he breaks out.

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I have only seen a few games recently, but Siemens has looked pretty good lately. I'm looking forward to what he can do in Lake Erie next year. I think there is a possibility he breaks out.
Dietz and Thrower seem to have supplanted Siemens as the go-to guys on the Blades, Dietz has even bumped Siemens off the top PP unit.

Seems like a busted pick so far.

A brutal trade is getting even worse. Nice work Sherman.

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Dietz and Thrower seem to have supplanted Siemens as the go-to guys on the Blades, Dietz has even bumped Siemens off the top PP unit.

Seems like a busted pick so far.

A brutal trade is getting even worse. Nice work Sherman.
Wait, did we pick Siemens because of his PP qualities?

And even if he busts, it's not to blame Sherman for that trade. He traded for a 1st round pick and not for Duncan Siemens...

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