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01-23-2013, 09:07 PM
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With any and all hockey equipment, price is inversely proportional to time passed if we assume one cannot ever go back in time.

The T1 is a phenomenal stick, as is the Dolomite and Widow. All three are distinctly and noticeably different in terms of feel and how they will perform. Unless you give us some more info regarding your preferences, we cannot actually help you.

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01-23-2013, 09:09 PM
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With any and all hockey equipment, price is inversely proportional to time passed if we assume one cannot ever go back in time.

The T1 is a phenomenal stick, as is the Dolomite and Widow. All three are distinctly and noticeably different in terms of feel and how they will perform. Unless you give us some more info regarding your preferences, we cannot actually help you.
Looking for something durable with still some performance. The reason I sway from Easton is due to the durable factor.

I don't lean into my shots alot, I take fast wrist and snap shots. I rarely ever take slapshots. I have heard stories of both the Total One and Widow being not durable, which is my main worry since I know both will have alot of performance.

I play about once a week and don't get much slashes. I'm an average player not a beginner I just don't get alot of time to play anymore with college. I'm more of a passing player than a shooting player but I don't want the thing to be jello if I take several shots.

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Cool, I mean to be honest, you don't NEED performance for the kind of hockey you are playing. That being said, all of them are great sticks. It all comes down to individual preference. Regarding durability, as long as you're not the type to go through sticks regularly, this shouldn't be as big of a concern.

The Dolo is probably your best value. I strongly feel that it's a great 'jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none' type of stick. While it's release, puck feel, power transfer and overall performance might not stack up to a T1 or Widow, it does everything well.

I have a Widow, Dolo two-piece (almost the same thing) and a One95 (T1 predecessor sharing same mid-kick release) and can easily interchange between them. The Widow I feel has the best puck feel; it's a very sharp and crisp sensation without being overly rigid (which I think makes it harder to cradle passes), almost a 'just right' feeling between feel and blade stiffness. The release on the Widow is very quick and true, but has a unique 'flinging' sensation loading it up, meaning that you might feel the upper half of the shaft flex a little while the taper remains solid. The only drawback would be that I always feel that it's a little fragile; that I'm always afraid to lean into it, dig in corners or stick check someone. It's held up fine so far save for a couple of chips in the hosel however.

The One95's mid kick is where it really shines. Slapshots are so much better with it. The release is a little slower than the Widow due to the different kickpoint, but I feel more confident in placing shots in terms of accuracy. I think 'control' is a good word.

Jarick can give you some insight into the Diablo/Dynasty.

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01-23-2013, 09:37 PM
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Cool, I mean to be honest, you don't NEED performance for the kind of hockey you are playing. That being said, all of them are great sticks. It all comes down to individual preference. Regarding durability, as long as you're not the type to go through sticks regularly, this shouldn't be as big of a concern.

The Dolo is probably your best value. I strongly feel that it's a great 'jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none' type of stick. While it's release, puck feel, power transfer and overall performance might not stack up to a T1 or Widow, it does everything well.

I have a Widow, Dolo two-piece (almost the same thing) and a One95 (T1 predecessor sharing same mid-kick release) and can easily interchange between them. The Widow I feel has the best puck feel; it's a very sharp and crisp sensation without being overly rigid (which I think makes it harder to cradle passes), almost a 'just right' feeling between feel and blade stiffness. The release on the Widow is very quick and true, but has a unique 'flinging' sensation loading it up, meaning that you might feel the upper half of the shaft flex a little while the taper remains solid. The only drawback would be that I always feel that it's a little fragile; that I'm always afraid to lean into it, dig in corners or stick check someone. It's held up fine so far save for a couple of chips in the hosel however.

The One95's mid kick is where it really shines. Slapshots are so much better with it. The release is a little slower than the Widow due to the different kickpoint, but I feel more confident in placing shots in terms of accuracy. I think 'control' is a good word.

Jarick can give you some insight into the Diablo/Dynasty.
Thanks so much man, i'll PM him if he doesn't see this haha.

Yeah I mean i'm just looking for a medium stick and I know alot of people like the Widow and Total One so it is a hard choice. I'll ask around as well and get the feel of the sticks before I purchase.

The 15% off is for Hockey Monkey if you're interested. Thanks again.

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01-24-2013, 10:03 AM
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You really did pick very different sticks to compare, and it depends on where you like the kickpoint.

T1 = mid kick
Dynasty = low-mid kick
Diablo/Widow = low kick

That's going to change how the sticks load and feel. If you like to feel the stick flexing, go with the T1. If you don't and prefer the stick to feel rigid, go Diablo or Warrior. The Dynasty is somewhere in between and will probably feel comfortable for people that don't really have a preference.

To that end, I've owned and used 75 flex mid kick, 67-70 flex low-mid kick, and dropped all the way to 55 flex for very low kick.

Another way to look at it, if you like to keep your hands close together when you shoot, you're probably better off with a mid kick. If you like to drop your bottom hand down while shooting, low kick might work better.

All the sticks should have good puck feel. Total One should be pretty light and balanced, Diablo and Warrior are pretty light and feel light in the hands, and the Dynasty is just a bit heavier (though still light in general) and feels a bit heavier in the hands.

I had bad luck with the Diablo as the blade broke on my first use, but that could have been a bad stick. I know guys using Widows for 2 years. The Dynasty lasted me about a year of off and on use. I haven't owned a T1 but I think it will be fine for durability.

I will say if you decide to go between the Diablo or Widow, spring for the Widow as I think it's got a bit stronger construction on the blade.

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01-24-2013, 11:43 AM
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You really did pick very different sticks to compare, and it depends on where you like the kickpoint.

T1 = mid kick
Dynasty = low-mid kick
Diablo/Widow = low kick

That's going to change how the sticks load and feel. If you like to feel the stick flexing, go with the T1. If you don't and prefer the stick to feel rigid, go Diablo or Warrior. The Dynasty is somewhere in between and will probably feel comfortable for people that don't really have a preference.

To that end, I've owned and used 75 flex mid kick, 67-70 flex low-mid kick, and dropped all the way to 55 flex for very low kick.

Another way to look at it, if you like to keep your hands close together when you shoot, you're probably better off with a mid kick. If you like to drop your bottom hand down while shooting, low kick might work better.

All the sticks should have good puck feel. Total One should be pretty light and balanced, Diablo and Warrior are pretty light and feel light in the hands, and the Dynasty is just a bit heavier (though still light in general) and feels a bit heavier in the hands.

I had bad luck with the Diablo as the blade broke on my first use, but that could have been a bad stick. I know guys using Widows for 2 years. The Dynasty lasted me about a year of off and on use. I haven't owned a T1 but I think it will be fine for durability.

I will say if you decide to go between the Diablo or Widow, spring for the Widow as I think it's got a bit stronger construction on the blade.
Thanks man, it's hard because I can get both sticks for pretty cheap.

I'll head into my local shop and see how the sticks feel before buying but i'm leaning Total One after reading what you said.

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01-24-2013, 02:41 PM
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I'm probably going to buy a new stick this weekend cause my 67 flex ONE.9 feels really whippy for me. I have few sticks in my mind, ONE.6, Nexus 600 and Vapor X 4.0. Can someone tell me which stick has best puck feel, most responsive shaft and feels most balanced. Also, I'm 5'8 and 145 lbs, is 77 flex good for me?

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I believe the X4.0 and Nexus 600 are better balanced/lighter than the One.6

That being said for your height, perhaps a slightly stiffer intermediate or an even whippier/shorter 75/70 SR could work. Check out the Warrior DT4 in a 70 flex. Cutting that stick down (normally 59 or 60" iirc) should give you what you're looking for.

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01-25-2013, 11:28 AM
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Is there a certain amount of time you need to wait after putting an extension in before you use the stick?

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Is there a certain amount of time you need to wait after putting an extension in before you use the stick?
Not really, the glue cools and hardens pretty quickly. As long as its not right from the pro shop to the ice you don't have to worry

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Not really, the glue cools and hardens pretty quickly. As long as its not right from the pro shop to the ice you don't have to worry
So I should be good with getting it done around 5 and being on the ice for 9?

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I'm probably going to buy a new stick this weekend cause my 67 flex ONE.9 feels really whippy for me. I have few sticks in my mind, ONE.6, Nexus 600 and Vapor X 4.0. Can someone tell me which stick has best puck feel, most responsive shaft and feels most balanced. Also, I'm 5'8 and 145 lbs, is 77 flex good for me?
Well jumping from a ONE.9 to any of those will be a drop off. They should all be halfway decent sticks and pretty similar construction. Feel/response/balance won't be nearly as good as the ONE.9 for any of them.

But another thing to keep in mind is the Vapor will feel a little stiffer than the Supreme/Nexus sticks because it's lower kick. You might be comfortable with a 77 flex in the Supreme/Nexus but with the Vapor I think it might be too stiff.

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So I should be good with getting it done around 5 and being on the ice for 9?
I will play with a two-piece or butt end within about ten minutes. If it's not wiggling around, it's fine.

But I don't use glue at all, I use strips of tape to shim the fit. It should be pretty snug when the shaft is heated and when it cools it will hold on tight.

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Anyone know if there would be any issue with using maple/oak in a plug? My LHS doesn't have any plugs, and I wanted to grab one to put just the tenon in my shaft to help with balance, so I was just going to make one. Most I see are made of ash, and I'm assuming any hardwood would be fine. Just wasn't sure if there was a expand/contract "issue" with using other woods.

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I decided to go with Bauer Total One but does anyone know why there is no Giroux curve available for even the APX or NXG?

I might go with the Kesler although i'm scared about trying the square toe. It was that or Staal and figuring every curve is sold out other than Staal on most models, i'm iffy.

I'm kind of at that weird stage between a lie 6 and 7 in Bauer. I skate upright for the majority of the team in our defensive and neutral zone and I would like a stick that reflects that.

The Giroux curve i've only seen available on Bauer's website when you order the top end models.

Lie: 7
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Nevermind couldn't even find the Total One with the Kesler curve although i'd take it in a heartbeat.

I went with the Toews P14 instead. Got a steal from Hockey Monkey, 110 for the T1

It's not the NXG but frankly i'm not blowing $240 on a stick when that money can go to skate upgrades. Thanks guys for your help.

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Well my TO experiment is NOT working out. Mostly because I couldn't find it with my preferred blade, but something about snappers/wristers just doesn't feel right to me. So with that said, I needs help on picking a new stick. I have been wracking my brain looking at sticks online and in-store all weekend and am completely lost. Here are my points of consternation:

- I have no idea what kind of flex point works best for me. I always have used the standard mid-flex non-engineered flex sticks like SE16, Synergies, Dolomites, etc. Had a couple of S17s and they never felt right to me but I honestly think it's b/c I didn't understand how to feel and properly load sticks at the time. The TO seems completely unlike any other stick I've ever used and is just bizarro.
- I LOOOVE the puck feel and how light the top end Bauers are, but I went through 2 APX's in a 6-mo period last year and am a bit gun shy on dropping cash on another top-end Bauer. That said...the Nexus sounds delicious.
- I don't know if I need to drop down to an intermediate or not. I usually get the 75/85 flex sticks but have to cut them 2-4 inches. I have a hard time flexing them. I really wish there was a senior 65 flex.

Some sticks I am considering:

Easton Int EQ50 - $99
Easton Int RS - $169
Warrior Widow (Int or Sr) - $120
Bauer Nexus 1000 - $249
CCM RBZ - $249

I've gone through so many sticks the last couple of years I can't even compare them in my head as far as what I like/dislike about them. Just don't know where to go next on this magical journey of hockey stick obsession.

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Definitely stay away from the EQ50.... the entire EQ line is pretty horrible. The other 4 are all nice sticks... personally I'd look at the RS and Widow because of the price and see which one you like best.

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Any suggestions between RBZ 60 v Mako M5? Or any other suggestions around the $100-$135 range? I recently broke the shaft of my Reebok 6K.

I'm 5'7 165, and use an intermediate stick cut down about 3 inches. Mainly a puck distributor and take wristers, rarely if ever take a slap shot unless it is a one timer. The M5 is on sale so naturally I am inclined to believe it is a better stick, but I'm intrigued by the technology of the RBZ 60. I've shot around with both sticks, but its hard to gauge when you're not playing full speed. Any help is appreciated

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Definitely stay away from the EQ50.... the entire EQ line is pretty horrible. The other 4 are all nice sticks... personally I'd look at the RS and Widow because of the price and see which one you like best.
Hmm interesting. Well I could include the MAKO in my list instead then if it's superior...or even the M5. Anyone know how the Widow compares to the Easton low-kicks like the stealth line?

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Finally bought that new stick, i got a crazy deal, CCM U+Pro (it's a CL but the shaft is mid kick) for $110 when the original price was $220. 85 flex Thornton pattern. I'm very excited to test this out.

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I went with the Toews P14 instead. Got a steal from Hockey Monkey, 110 for the T1
Check in with the E28/P14 pattern thread, curious to see how it works for others.

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Easton Int EQ50 - $99
Easton Int RS - $169
Warrior Widow (Int or Sr) - $120
Bauer Nexus 1000 - $249
CCM RBZ - $249
I know the feeling...you get used to something and then you try and figure out what made it good and chase your tail.

If you really liked the feel of the SE16, Synergy, and Dolomite, go with the EQ50. So long as you have the plugs in the end, it's not bad at all. Anything below it is terrible. Or the top Mako as those are on clearance.

Otherwise, I would go Widow. If you absolutely didn't like the TO, the Widow will be the opposite kick point (very low) while being very light.

And both are pretty cheap too.

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Any suggestions between RBZ 60 v Mako M5? Or any other suggestions around the $100-$135 range? I recently broke the shaft of my Reebok 6K.

I'm 5'7 165, and use an intermediate stick cut down about 3 inches. Mainly a puck distributor and take wristers, rarely if ever take a slap shot unless it is a one timer. The M5 is on sale so naturally I am inclined to believe it is a better stick, but I'm intrigued by the technology of the RBZ 60. I've shot around with both sticks, but its hard to gauge when you're not playing full speed. Any help is appreciated
That RBZ doesn't look bad for the price point but I haven't played with it. The M5 is an ST, not much to talk about. Pretty neutral stick, a little on the stiff side, extremely durable.

Don't sleep on the Miken Z9 either, it's on clearance. It will be a better performing stick than those two and I really like the balance, it feels great to me.

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Check in with the E28/P14 pattern thread, curious to see how it works for others.

Don't sleep on the Miken Z9 either, it's on clearance. It will be a better performing stick than those two and I really like the balance, it feels great to me.
Will do. Speaking of the Miken Z9 what curve did you end up with?

I read that you were thinking about trying the P14, did you not like the feel of it? Some say it's pretty ugly but easy to shoot with.

I practice alot on my technique and try different ways to shoot the puck, which I heard is a benefit, so I believe it should work for me.

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I think I am leaning toward the Widow for 2 reasons:

- It comes in a 70 flex Int, which is about the exact length stick I use. So not only do I not have to cut it and make it stiffer, I get to experiment with a lower flex for the first time ever.
- I really want to own a low-kick stick, if nothing else to learn how to use one and then be able to make an educated decision on what flex location I prefer.

Worst case it's only $100, plus the Nexus prices aren't going to change anyway lol.

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I think I am leaning toward the Widow for 2 reasons:

- It comes in a 70 flex Int, which is about the exact length stick I use. So not only do I not have to cut it and make it stiffer, I get to experiment with a lower flex for the first time ever.
- I really want to own a low-kick stick, if nothing else to learn how to use one and then be able to make an educated decision on what flex location I prefer.

Worst case it's only $100, plus the Nexus prices aren't going to change anyway lol.
http://www.hockeymonkey.com/warrior-...clear-int.html <<< This is NOT grip, it is clear composite

Go for it if you want, i've heard great things about this stick and the only reason I didn't buy it is because I went Total One.

$102 with 15 dollar shipping unless you can find it in a shop near you.

That's still 40 dollars or so less than Total Hockey is selling it.

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