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01-28-2013, 11:02 AM
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I feel like doing a fantasy complete team blow up .. Hmmm
Why not? Everyone else rubs one out and does it.

Trade Kessel for #1C superstars like Berglund or Colin Wilson. I bet you one day one of those guys scores like 30 goals. Wouldn't that be sick!!

Trade Phaneuf for a prospect like Dumba. He looks like he could be a hard hitting D with a decent slapper. If only he was like 6'3", 215lbs or so. Then his hits would hurt the other PF more then himself.

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01-28-2013, 11:05 AM
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This is what every long time Leaf fan is hoping for. I'm with you man.
Not all of us. Some are hoping to watch the playoffs. I will be OK with a bottom 5 finish this year, as a solution to one our serious problems could be answered. But I'd rather see internal development and heart shown and us begin our upswing.

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01-28-2013, 11:08 AM
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He's older then Kessel!! He's never scored more then 54 pts.

WTF??!!
Intangibles, Naz. Intangibles. It's not all about goal scoring, hense why we're even discussing a Kessel trade in the first place.

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01-28-2013, 11:09 AM
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Why not? Everyone else rubs one out and does it.

Trade Kessel for #1C superstars like Berglund or Colin Wilson. I bet you one day one of those guys scores like 30 goals. Wouldn't that be sick!!

Trade Phaneuf for a prospect like Dumba. He looks like he could be a hard hitting D with a decent slapper. If only he was like 6'3", 215lbs or so. Then his hits would hurt the other PF more then himself.
Naw I meant like a quick fix

Trading Kessel for someone like Perry, etc.
trading for prospects isn't fun in a fantasy world

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01-28-2013, 11:10 AM
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Intangibles, Naz. Intangibles. It's not all about goal scoring, hense why we're even discussing a Kessel trade in the first place.
His intangibles aren't as important as Kessel's goal scoring ability. You want intangibles, look at 3rd liners.

The game isn't decided on hits thrown or face offs won.

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01-28-2013, 11:13 AM
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Naw I meant like a quick fix

Trading Kessel for someone like Perry, etc.
trading for prospects isn't fun in a fantasy world
A lot better then I thought, but I don't think moving Kessel provides the answer. We need to add to him and Phaneuf. Everyone else is debatable.

I'd love to get a real, big, TRUE 1C, and would be willing to move Rielly to do it.

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01-28-2013, 11:15 AM
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A lot better then I thought, but I don't think moving Kessel provides the answer. We need to add to him and Phaneuf. Everyone else is debatable.

I'd love to get a real, big, TRUE 1C, and would be willing to move Rielly to do it.
I think we should wait till TDL.

We have too many question marks now to be trading our future. If its for a young stud C then is do it. Like a Duchene for example.

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01-28-2013, 11:25 AM
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His intangibles aren't as important as Kessel's goal scoring ability. You want intangibles, look at 3rd liners.

The game isn't decided on hits thrown or face offs won.
No one, myself included, is saying the game is decided on hits and faceoff %s, so no need to be hyperbolic. Our team doesn't lack offensive production, but badly lacks intangibles. When our production is almost entirely resulting from everyone other than Kessel it's his intangibles that will continue to produce while his stats do not. And unlike Oshie, when Kessel isn't scoring he isn't adding anything else to our team.

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01-28-2013, 11:29 AM
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His intangibles aren't as important as Kessel's goal scoring ability. You want intangibles, look at 3rd liners.

The game isn't decided on hits thrown or face offs won.
Intangibles are not just about hits and face-offs. When your team is in the middle of a tailspin, after giving up 3 unanswered goals and completely collapsing after starting strong, you need a player to take the puck, and make it happen. No shooting from the perimeter, no cherry picking. You make the hit, take the puck, skate the length and put the puck in no matter how you can.

Kessel creates more panic. When the team is on, and he is on, watch out. But when we face a team like the Bruins, and we are struggling, you might as well have Jay McClement out there on the first line.

And all of you that want to get a #1C, #1D and #1G and still keep Kessel, how do you suppose we do that? We could get two of those things be trading the guy. And what do we lose? An enigmatic sniper. You can easily grab on of those guys through Free Agency. Semin, Gaborik, Hossa, Cammalleri, all sign as UFA's who play like Phil, if not even better.

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01-28-2013, 11:41 AM
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You get a 1C 1D and 1G from doing nothing. Keep all your picks and draft correctly. Make sure you hit your 1st rounders. Hope you hit your 2nds and later. The goalie is a little risky, but draft right and thats ALL you should have to do.

Seguin along with Kadri Hamilton biggs reilly gardiner frattin Percy and so on and so forth would give you a good foundation of quality players with roles and potential. Draft with yorkdale early picks and hope you get lucky a la frattin with later picks.

Obviously u can't simply press reset now, but that should be the mentality moving forward. Draft often and draft well. Add to you prospect pool and wait to see what u have. Maybe you draft the next Jamie Benn with your 2nd. And the next Chris pronger with your 1st.

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01-28-2013, 11:53 AM
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You get a 1C 1D and 1G from doing nothing. Keep all your picks and draft correctly. Make sure you hit your 1st rounders. Hope you hit your 2nds and later. The goalie is a little risky, but draft right and thats ALL you should have to do.

Seguin along with Kadri Hamilton biggs reilly gardiner frattin Percy and so on and so forth would give you a good foundation of quality players with roles and potential. Draft with yorkdale early picks and hope you get lucky a la frattin with later picks.

Obviously u can't simply press reset now, but that should be the mentality moving forward. Draft often and draft well. Add to you prospect pool and wait to see what u have. Maybe you draft the next Jamie Benn with your 2nd. And the next Chris pronger with your 1st.
...AND make the playoffs in what 5 or 6 years?

Kyper was right, Kessel will re-sign for less somewhere else.

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01-28-2013, 11:54 AM
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+ or - 20 days until we see our 1st trade.

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01-28-2013, 11:58 AM
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Plus out of those teams, the only enticing off is the St Louis package. Oshie is a great young player and I'm not certain St Louis would even want to give him up. Frankly I find the other packages to be a bit underwhelming.
The Minnesota package he listed is amazing, but unrealistic. Minnesota is the team I'd be trying to deal Phil to. They have a bunch of fantastic prospects.

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01-28-2013, 11:59 AM
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...AND make the playoffs in what 5 or 6 years?

Kyper was right, Kessel will re-sign for less somewhere else.
so trade Kessel and accelerate the process building around Rielly

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Fans are whining about not being in the playoffs for 7 years imagine they do the rebuild and get top 5 picks for the next 3 years and instead of getting Crosby, Malkin and Kane they get Stanislav Chistov, Patrik Stefan, Benoit Pouliots, Nicholai Zherdev.

Then what happens with the rebuild when your players are busts....your 5 years down the road in worse shape than now.

When has the Leafs ever won the lottery or even moved up in a draft when they had picks....they have terrible luck they are not the Oilers haha.

Stay the course now and provide Dion with a solid D guy, get bigger on the top 2 lines and that will start to look way better.

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01-28-2013, 12:00 PM
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...AND make the playoffs in what 5 or 6 years?

Kyper was right, Kessel will re-sign for less somewhere else.

Well you can't have your cake and eat it too. He was talking about building the foundation up right, the way it should be. If the goal is simply to squeak into the playoffs them you can expand your choice options significantly, trade for immediate help, sign bad (see: win-now) UFA contracts, offer enticing yet options-limiting NTC and NMCs to lure players, etc.

There is no such thing as a win-now AND win-later mentality, only strategies that are proportional to both. Besides, we're not 2-3 years away from a cup anyway, so we have little choice here.

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01-28-2013, 12:05 PM
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Then what happens with the rebuild when your players are busts....your 5 years down the road in worse shape than now.

When has the Leafs ever won the lottery or even moved up in a draft when they had picks....they have terrible luck they are not the Oilers haha.

I beg to differ. Last few years 1st and 2nds:

Schenn / Hayes
Kadri / Ryan
Ross
Biggs / Percy
Reilly / Finn

Beyond that, we drafted Tlusty, Rask, Boyes, Colliacovo and Steen with our 1sts, which isn't altogether bad considering they were drafted in the bottom 15 of the 1st round. And barring some silly trade we should be reaping the rewards of retaining the likes of Kadri, Ross, Biggs and Reilly over the next 2 years.

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01-28-2013, 12:21 PM
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I think I threw up when I read that Kessel thread on the trade board

Booth + for Kessel

Seriously? There's so muh garbage in that thread

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This is what the Leafs Need Clowe & Murray from Sharks

Clowe Power Forward

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1334709

Murray Big physical D who can play

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1334885

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What incentive does SJ have to deal them?

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Takes two to make a deal. Though I remember reading something about them wanting to trade both sometime last season.

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What incentive does SJ have to deal them?
They don't really have an incentive. SJ is 6-0-0 to start the season I dont see why they would trade them. But its not either of these guys have had amazing starts (its more Thornton and Marleau among others).

It'd make sense for us, bring two more physical guys that have playoff experience.

I'd guess Mac + Franson as they are both UFA's at seasons end.

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I think I threw up when I read that Kessel thread on the trade board

Booth + for Kessel

Seriously? There's so muh garbage in that thread
Some of the offers are brutal

One I didnt mind was this:

Jensen + Luongo + 1st + 2nd

For

Kessel
Reimer or Scrivens

Id make them swap Kassian for Jensen and then that would be a pretty solid return

Still not my ideal package, but value is there

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Chalk up another useless thread.

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Some of the offers are brutal

One I didnt mind was this:

Jensen + Luongo + 1st + 2nd

For

Kessel
Reimer or Scrivens

Id make them swap Kassian for Jensen and then that would be a pretty solid return

Still not my ideal package, but value is there
What does that do for us though? It makes us a borderline playoff team.

Either blow it up - ex. Brodin + Granlund for Kessel
Or
Go for it - ex. Perry for Kessel swap
Or
Just keep Kessel lol...

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