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[MTL] P.K. Subban re-signed (2 years, $2.875M per)

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01-28-2013, 07:44 PM
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He held out all that time to 5.75 over 2 years??? Why bother????
Don Meehan probably thought he could fleece Bergevin like he does pretty much any other team with his players, and MB would have none of it.

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He held out all that time to 5.75 over 2 years??? Why bother????
I HAVE THE UPPER HAND. I WILL GET PAID.

I have the upper hand. I will get paid.

I have the upper hand...I think. I will get paid.

Hmmm, so do I have the upper hand? Will I get paid?

Well, there goes my upper hand. Will get paid later.

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01-28-2013, 07:45 PM
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Does the $2M -> $3.75M transition not violate the 35% year-to-year variance limit?

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Nice to see a team win one of these contract holdouts and not cave in to an agents outrageous demands. Kudos to you MB.

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yeah he's going to cost 6 mill as expected. so what? At that point, guys like Kaberle, bouillon - maybe even markov will be off the books and all our good young D will be on entry level deals
Hey i'm not complaining as this is pretty much the perfect scenario if you ask me

I'm just saying that this is a temporary paycheck for PK. If he was signed 5-6 years at 2.5 now that would have me drooling. I'm happy that this is over but i know we're going to have to go through this all over again inm the near future so

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We will pay in two years but we will have to pay one day anyway. Bergerin won that round.
That is just fine.

Time will tell if Subban can be better and demand longer, bigger contract.

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That's ridiculously cheap.

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Good term, good dollars. Way to come to your senses PK

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5.1 millions was what the Canadiens were offering at first for two years. 5.75 million will be PK Subban contract for 2 season.

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Does the $2M -> $3.75M transition not violate the 35% year-to-year variance limit?
No. He is not a UFa

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Does the $2M -> $3.75M transition not violate the 35% year-to-year variance limit?
I believe there's no problem as the variance over the term is positive instead of negative.

A contract of 3.75M - 2M - 0.5M, on the other hand, would not have been allowed to pass in my opinion.

EDIT: Or perhaps it only applies to UFAs as per the post above me, I don't know.

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01-28-2013, 07:48 PM
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That is just fine.

Time will tell if Subban can be better and demand longer, bigger contract.
If he does earn it, he will get it. By then we won't have Gomez and Kaberle on the books, and the cap will likely be closer to $70M. It's fine.

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So to avoid paying him dearly in the future he should had been signed dearly now. Ok. Cool story.
He should have been signed at a number reflective of his current value, including the fact he is an RFA, with a discount based on how badly he clearly wanted to remain with the team.

Which is more than 2.5 per year.

I agree that the goal should be to limit contract sizes. But offering someone far below market value (this is below market value by at least 1/3, even for an RFA deal) and refusing to back off on that when you know the other party is in a weak negotiating position does not lead to a positive long term relationship. Maybe Bergevin can repair it. Who knows. 2 years to find out.

My money is on Subban either getting massively paid, or being moved.

e: 2.85 I guess not 2.5

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That's ridiculously cheap.
Kris Legang is making 3,5 per year and he has proven way more than Subban.

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01-28-2013, 07:50 PM
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Canadiens are a bunch of cheapskates.

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01-28-2013, 07:50 PM
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He should have been signed at a number reflective of his current value, including the fact he is an RFA, with a discount based on how badly he clearly wanted to remain with the team.

Which is more than 2.5 per year.

I agree that the goal should be to limit contract sizes. But offering someone far below market value (this is below market value by at least 1/3, even for an RFA deal) and refusing to back off on that when you know the other party is in a weak negotiating position does not lead to a positive long term relationship. Maybe Bergevin can repair it. Who knows. 2 years to find out.

My money is on Subban either getting massively paid, or being moved.
He will only be massively paid if he deserves to be massively paid. If that is the case, so be it. I don't see the issue.

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Subban obviously wants to play in MTL and MTL only. Why else would he have signed this?

Time to rock, let's go Habs!
Like he had any choice.

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Kris Legang is making 3,5 per year and he has proven way more than Subban.
You will get destroyed if you want to get into a 'this guys gets paid x amount for y amount of work' argument. Subban got underpaid. It's obvious. Move on.

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Kris Legang is making 3,5 per year and he has proven way more than Subban.
Kris Letang signed that contract back in 2010. At that point he hadn't proved nearly as much as Subban has right now.

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If this is such an underpayment, 29 GMs failed at offer sheeting.

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Kris Legang is making 3,5 per year and he has proven way more than Subban.
He also gets to play with 2 of the best players in the world. Lots of players will take a discount to play there. It's different when you're on a team like Montreal. You think Letang would re-sign for that money in Montreal? Not a chance.

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Until you watch the next two years play out, you don't know whether or not this is true. Could well be short term gain, long term pain.
Could be. It's going to be iffy no matter what. If he does very well and puts up 50+ in each of the two seasons + a good playoff performance, expect something around $48-50m for 8 years....and a pressure to consistently put up those numbers.

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He should have been signed at a number reflective of his current value, including the fact he is an RFA, with a discount based on how badly he clearly wanted to remain with the team.

Which is more than 2.5 per year.

I agree that the goal should be to limit contract sizes. But offering someone far below market value (this is below market value by at least 1/3, even for an RFA deal) and refusing to back off on that when you know the other party is in a weak negotiating position does not lead to a positive long term relationship. Maybe Bergevin can repair it. Who knows. 2 years to find out.

My money is on Subban either getting massively paid, or being moved.

e: 2.85 I guess not 2.5

What if he regresses in yr 2 of the deal, or begins to have injury issues?

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What a steal for Montreal... Unbelievable!

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