why trade for 1 when you can just get 3 ? makes no sense. Why not just Draft Jones then trade him for scoring then if he's half as great as people here think he is? we should be able to get Sidney Crosby AND Malkin for Jones.
sorry theres absolutley no possible way Jones improves the team, none, zero, ziltch, zip, nadda.
So playing better defense doesn't help the team? This is a move that gives the team a real identity. It gives them a defense that Generates offense and a defense that when they are in their own zone you know the job is going to get done and keeping players on the outside, leading to lower % shots and more turnovers. If we have two top 5 picks I would take Jones all day. I get that you can't win without offense. I'd rather only have to score 3 goals to win instead of 6.
stewpid, I agree 100%. I always find it funny when people say more than 100% to try and emphasize their point.
McKinnon is very hyped & I get that, and my chances to see him play have been limited, but I didn't much. Like his teammate Drouin(?). Also like Monahan and the finn.
As a goalie I can attest that a good defense leads to a productive offense. A strong blue line also let's the wings and center attack more. You draft BPA no matter how stacked you are.
I think we can take Jones at 1 and then move one of Savard, Erixon, Wiz, Brass, the other 2 1sts for a top 6 scorer. Hell you may be able to move parts of those pieces for two scorers...
Yeah hats kinda what I mean but a Erixon + Brassard + 2 1sts could get us a legitimate first line center and maybe even a prospect back. It's still kinda early and that D could be whoever. Just some ideas. But if those picks are top 15 I wouldn't trade those picks unless we're getting an offer we can't refuse. Shot someone might even decide to offer a kings ransom for the first. Who knows what edm got if nyi offered us their entire draft for Murray, and Jones is arguably better than him.
As a goalie I can attest that a good defense leads to a productive offense. A strong blue line also let's the wings and center attack more. You draft BPA no matter how stacked you are.
Exactly where I'm coming from. Every team I've been on has definitely been more efficient on the offensive side when they had a better D behind them. The jackets coaches and management have been wanting to generate offense from the D. And this will do that in spades. I can only imagine wiz jj tyutin nik Murray and Jones all getting 20min/night. Than we still have Moore and Erixon for injuries or to move. I really don't see savard sticking around.
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5 on 3 PP 0 points and people still think Seth Jones is an option LOL!
Is anyone else starting to think that this is Doug MacLean in disguise?
One powerplay doesn't make or break an entire season. In spite of that 5 on 3 failed powerplay, the Jackets went on to win the game ... while only allowing one goal. Ask the Edmonton Oilers if having enough talent to score 5-6 goals every night is the key to success. They didn't go out and completely re-vamp their defense in the offseason because they won the Cup last year.
As a new person to the board, I suggest you stop being so bullish about your points, or you will be quickly shunned by many of the intelligent posters around here and thus, will have nobody that wants to talk about hockey with you.
12.5% of the way into the season, and we're all arguing over which of the consensus top-2 picks we'd rather see in Columbus...
I think the argument is more about "I'm right and you're wrong" than anything else. Personally, I don't see us being in a position to draft either of these players, unless we win the lottery.
I would be thrilled with Seth Jones. Defensive pairings of Jones/Murray and Exiron/Moore would be any GM's wish.
Trade wiz and tyutin (if Nikitin pans out for the next 2 years) and have JJ and Nik with Reilly developing and hopefully ready to play some AHL games within the next 3 years.
JJ Murray
Moore Jones
Erixon Nikitin
Eh? Eh?
I think the argument is more about "I'm right and you're wrong" than anything else. Personally, I don't see us being in a position to draft either of these players, unless we win the lottery.
If it were really about "I'm right and you're wrong", why am I not participating in it?
I still think that, all things considered, this may be one of those drafts where #14, #16, and #19 all end up as clearly better players than #3, 4, and 5. Will Ryan Pulock make people forget about Cam Fowler falling? Will Sean Monahan step in as an 18-year-old and look like an excellent two-way player? Will Artturi Lehkonen hit 25 goals before he's 20 years old?
5 on 3 PP 0 points and people still think Seth Jones is an option LOL!
You do know 5 on 3's are usually quarterbacked by the defenseman, which Jones is? Jones is a defenseman, but he can still put up 30+ points when he becomes an NHL defenseman. Thats very valuable.
It's more fun thinking about the future that could be, than what will likely happen.
I think you just blew the cover off the entire wedding and bridal industries in one single sentence there.
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You do know 5 on 3's are usually quarterbacked by the defenseman, which Jones is? Jones is a defenseman, but he can still put up 30+ points when he becomes an NHL defenseman. Thats very valuable.
Personally, I wonder why. In theory, a 5-on-3 situation should be quarterbacked off the goal line toward the corner by a forward, rather than up high by a defenseman. By having the QB up high, the team on the PK is able to run an inverted triangle, which means continually trying to force one-timers.
But by running it from the goal line or the bottom of a circle, it forces the PK to reverse that alignment; they'd have to have two PKers down low (to pressure the QB and to clear the front of the net). But it would allow the point men to roam freely, enabling the one-timer to come from either direction. And by being able to move back and forth down the goal line, it would open up every imaginable passing lane with a minimum of restrictions.
Is anyone else starting to think that this is Doug MacLean in disguise?
One powerplay doesn't make or break an entire season. In spite of that 5 on 3 failed powerplay, the Jackets went on to win the game ... while only allowing one goal. Ask the Edmonton Oilers if having enough talent to score 5-6 goals every night is the key to success. They didn't go out and completely re-vamp their defense in the offseason because they won the Cup last year.
As a new person to the board, I suggest you stop being so bullish about your points, or you will be quickly shunned by many of the intelligent posters around here and thus, will have nobody that wants to talk about hockey with you.
Just a thought.
let me know when we're not in the bottom of the league in scoring, then ill consider worrying about defense.
So playing better defense doesn't help the team? This is a move that gives the team a real identity. It gives them a defense that Generates offense and a defense that when they are in their own zone you know the job is going to get done and keeping players on the outside, leading to lower % shots and more turnovers. If we have two top 5 picks I would take Jones all day. I get that you can't win without offense. I'd rather only have to score 3 goals to win instead of 6.
Nope playing better defense doesn't help the team when you're so weak in scoring.
every day of the week, he solidifies the defense & and allows everyone else to be more aggressive, makes your goalie better, maker the PP better, PK better, coaches better.
Did I mention we would be a better team with Jones & Murray on the 1st pairing?
Wouldn't mind a huge influx of offense, & I generally agree that we lack snipers especially RW power forwards, but I would like to build a team the way the Preds did & opposite of what we did the first decade.
12.5% of the way into the season, and we're all arguing over which of the consensus top-2 picks we'd rather see in Columbus...
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If it were really about "I'm right and you're wrong", why am I not participating in it?
I still think that, all things considered, this may be one of those drafts where #14, #16, and #19 all end up as clearly better players than #3, 4, and 5. Will Ryan Pulock make people forget about Cam Fowler falling? Will Sean Monahan step in as an 18-year-old and look like an excellent two-way player? Will Artturi Lehkonen hit 25 goals before he's 20 years old?
This is more likely except maybe high twenties for NYRs. This is where hopefully the new scouts can payoff.
This is more likely except maybe high twenties for NYRs. This is where hopefully the new scouts can payoff.
I'm curious to see where the tier breakdown ends up being. Can Drouin, Barkov, Monahan, or Lindholm end up in that same level as Jones and MacKinnon? Does the second tier end up shrinking (if those guys move up), or growing (as others move up)? How large can the third tier be? And does New Jersey end up forfeiting this year's first-rounder entirely?
In the last few days, I've seen projections that have players being unable to be pegged down...anywhere from 8th to 32nd for guys like Bo Horvat. I wouldn't be shocked to see a couple of consensus high-end guys fall not because they stagnated, but because other guys turned it on toward the end of the year.
I think the argument is more about "I'm right and you're wrong" than anything else. Personally, I don't see us being in a position to draft either of these players, unless we win the lottery.
To that point, what's the word on the draft lottery after the CBA? I know there were discussions/murmurs about changing it so all 14 teams out of the playoffs have a slight chance at #1 overall. Did this happen or is it something that might be considered more in the future?
To that point, what's the word on the draft lottery after the CBA? I know there were discussions/murmurs about changing it so all 14 teams out of the playoffs have a slight chance at #1 overall. Did this happen or is it something that might be considered more in the future?
If it were really about "I'm right and you're wrong", why am I not participating in it?
I still think that, all things considered, this may be one of those drafts where #14, #16, and #19 all end up as clearly better players than #3, 4, and 5. Will Ryan Pulock make people forget about Cam Fowler falling? Will Sean Monahan step in as an 18-year-old and look like an excellent two-way player? Will Artturi Lehkonen hit 25 goals before he's 20 years old?
That's the thing about this draft, something I keep getting at also. I personally wouldn't be disappointed to see us come away with a guy like Ryan Pulock or Sean Monahan. Though they aren't on the same level as a Jones or MacKinnon, these are players with HUGE upside that could eventually surpass them (see: Tyler Seguin/Taylor Hall).
I'm very high on Pulock in particular. I was just a little kid watching a young Al MacInnis play, however I see an almost identical player in every way in Ryan Pulock. It was very interesting to hear the CBJ brass talking about him in that JD video they posted awhile back - comments like "if the guy tries to block the shot, you break his leg" ... that's the kind of player you're getting in Ryan Pulock, a guy who may get overlooked from time to time, but will wind up being one of the top players to come out of this draft.
Earlier in the thread, someone compared Monahan to Sean Couturier ... that's a good comparison, and an honest assessment of his talent. Looks like a solid bet to become a top-6 center with shutdown potential; a Ryan Kesler type of player.
It's variables like this that make me not want to deal away our picks, not even to move up in this draft. It's just such a strong class.
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im sorry how many Cups does Nashville have?
Have to make the playoffs to win the Cup. And Nashville knows how to make the playoffs - and on a budget, every year, no less.
Have to make the playoffs to win the Cup. And Nashville knows how to make the playoffs - and on a budget, every year, no less.
That's all well and good, but if we're going to model ourselves after a franchise, why wouldn't we try to model ourselves after a top franchise instead of an upper-middle one?
That's all well and good, but if we're going to model ourselves after a franchise, why wouldn't we try to model ourselves after a top franchise instead of an upper-middle one?
Oh dear G-d, here we go again.
Thanks a TON, new guy. We had just gotten past this mishegaas...
As for the original comment on how Murray+Jones is a silly thing to go drafting for - consider asking Chicago just how well they did - and continue to do - with Keith+Seabrook.
Personally, I'd like to prioritize forwards as well, but that's no reason to take leave of one's senses and pretend that Jones is somehow an unreasonable opportunity expense.
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That's all well and good, but if we're going to model ourselves after a franchise, why wouldn't we try to model ourselves after a top franchise instead of an upper-middle one?
The Jackets are in a unique position. Restarting a franchise with a defensive heavy roster, a lot of depth players, and a few promising young players (Murray, Atkinson, Johansen, Moore). This needs to be the season someone steps up whether it's a vet, newcomer, or youngster. Somebody needs to take control. But the future of the organization could lie in this draft. I think that's what making being a jacket fan this year so excited, even if we don't make the playoffs, we have the draft to look forward to. I'll be watching LA and NYR a lot more this season...
