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01-29-2013, 01:20 AM
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Kassian our best player all year, our best forward this game, had ZERO time in OT.

Amazing coaching
I put little blame on AV for this, but majority for players. We suck big chunks at shootouts, but AV keeps going back with the same players. Give someone else a chance and stop using the Sedins/Edler.

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01-29-2013, 01:23 AM
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yes he sure is.. why would you bench two young players that are playing the best in the game in OT (schroeder, Kassian)/ he's a ****ing moron.

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01-29-2013, 01:24 AM
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Hodgson had attitude problems and there were problems well beyond AV's power. Also he was injured for nearly 2 years.

Grabner had a good last half of a season with the Canucks including a hat trick, so not sure where you are going with that. Gillis traded him, not AV

Shirokov never actually did get much of a fair shot in the NHL, but he didn't necessarily play as it was expected from him.
Coho was still the best Canuck at times and got rewarded with being the water boy. It's his responsibility to play the best players or the players that give us the best chance to win.

Grabner was too streaky for AV's liking and not good enough defensively.

Shirokov AV totally messed up.

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He used his time out tonight...

Please stop making us look bad.
Yeah, in the second, lol. There have been crucial times in the playoffs where he didn't use it. Also, why didn't he pull Lu vs Boston when Lu told him he wanted to stay? That was extremely bad.

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01-29-2013, 01:27 AM
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Sacco. Sacco. Sacco.
Seriously guys. AV is not bad, the Canucks are missing their 2nd line center in Kesler. The worst goes to Sacco. How the **** does he still have a job?

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01-29-2013, 01:27 AM
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Coho. Shirokov and Grabner didn't even get a legit chance. Grabner got injured. Shirokov scored and then got benched the next game.



Oh, and this reminds me. You can use your damn timeout, AV. It's there for a reason.
Seriously? You are using the guy who was a Calder candidate under AV?

Grabner was traded to fill a need we had at the time. Did AV trade him?

Where is Shirokov now?

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01-29-2013, 01:29 AM
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I will say he's probably in the Top 5 Best coach in the league.

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01-29-2013, 01:30 AM
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Seriously? You are using the guy who was a Calder candidate under AV?

Grabner was traded to fill a need we had at the time. Did AV trade him?

Where is Shirokov now?
He probably would have won the Calder if he was used correctly. (I love Kassian, though)

I'm sure AV had a part in this just like he did with Coho being traded.

Shirokov is in the KHL because he wasn't given a fair chance in the NHL.

And it was Raymond or Grabner. We know AV likes Raymond.

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01-29-2013, 01:31 AM
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Sacco. Sacco. Sacco.
Seriously guys. AV is not bad, the Canucks are missing their 2nd line center in Kesler. The worst goes to Sacco. How the **** does he still have a job?
he is that bad.. the canucks are a good team despite his terrible decisions every game. He is not a smart man.

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01-29-2013, 01:32 AM
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I will say he's probably in the Top 5 Best coach in the league.
or he's a terrible coach with a top 5 team that masks his bone head decisions.

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01-29-2013, 01:33 AM
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At some point in the season, I fully expect an "Alain Vigneault best coach in the league?" thread to be put up.

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01-29-2013, 01:33 AM
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Adam Oates would like to exchange a few words with you.

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01-29-2013, 01:34 AM
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It might be just me, but whenever I see AV giggling like a little schoolgirl it annoys the hell out of me. This team needs a Torterella to light a fire under its ass.

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01-29-2013, 01:35 AM
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He probably would have won the Calder if he was used correctly. (I love Kassian, though)

I'm sure AV had a part in this just like he did with Coho being traded.

Shirokov is in the KHL because he wasn't given a fair chance in the NHL.

And it was Raymond or Grabner. We know AV likes Raymond.
But Raymond isn't a grinder. I thought he only liked grinders...

Who should have Hodgson played more minutes over? He was 7th or 8th in ES time on ice last year. It's not like he was playing 8 minutes a game.

Grabner was an all-skill, nothing else type player. If he wasn't scoring, he wasn't doing anything. Not the kind of player that fits in AVs system. Why should AV change his system for a player that may or may not be a full time NHLer.

It seems 29 other teams didn't feel Shirokov deserved what you would call "a fair shot".

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01-29-2013, 01:37 AM
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6 years with the Canucks. So...
- 5 years in the playoffs
- 3 years 1st in the division
- 2 years President's Trophy
- 1 year Stanley Cup Finals

And as of right now, 13th in the league, 6th in the conference.

Vigneault has brought the team its most successful string of seasons, and he's the worst coach because he's lost 2 of the first 6 this season?

Vigneault has always been criticized pretty much after every year the Canucks don't win the cup. I bet more than a few teams would be interested in someone of his resume if he gets canned.

Vancouver's a toxic environment, and I believe I'm only half-exaggerating when I say that.

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01-29-2013, 01:38 AM
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It might be just me, but whenever I see AV giggling like a little schoolgirl it annoys the hell out of me. This team needs a Torterella to light a fire under its ass.
Maybe it's time to bring back Iron Mike.

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01-29-2013, 01:39 AM
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i dont think his gameplan was to just sit back, the kings just took it to them...

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01-29-2013, 01:39 AM
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Oh man, 5 games in...fire the coach and trade the goalies!!!

This is what separates some fan bases from others.

Have patience..

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01-29-2013, 01:40 AM
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But Raymond isn't a grinder. I thought he only liked grinders...

Who should have Hodgson played more minutes over? He was 7th or 8th in ES time on ice last year. It's not like he was playing 8 minutes a game.

Grabner was an all-skill, nothing else type player. If he wasn't scoring, he wasn't doing anything. Not the kind of player that fits in AVs system. Why should AV change his system for a player that may or may not be a full time NHLer.

It seems 29 other teams didn't feel Shirokov deserved what you would call "a fair shot".
Raymond isn't a grinder, but he is defensively responsible.

Split ice time more evenly? Give Kes an easier workload and let him be more fresh for the playoffs? Even Schroeder got more TOI than Coho who got 12-13.

Yep, like I said. If you're not a Sedin you're not going to be playing if you're a skill based guy. That's why we will never win with AV.

Not like the 29 other teams had a choice. Shirokov bolted back to the KHL. He was misused, and I would be upset, too, if I was a Russian that knew just as much english as Datsyuk. Not AV's fault, but Koltsov would've looked good on the Canucks.

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i dont think his gameplan was to just sit back, the kings just took it to them...
AV is a sit back kind of guy. Did you see 'em today? Pass red line dump and change.

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01-29-2013, 01:44 AM
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Raymond isn't a grinder, but he is defensively responsible.
Now we are getting somewhere.

How dare a coach prefer a skill player that is also defensively responsible.

Show me how many "pure skill" guys that aren't elite/top line talent have an impact on cup winning teams? LA had none, Boston had none, Chicago had none, ect...

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01-29-2013, 01:45 AM
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or he's a terrible coach with a top 5 team that masks his bone head decisions.
Yea sure and Lou is a lucky goalie with a stacked team too. Burrows is lucky is playing with the Sedins. The D core is overrated. So basically everybody is bad except the Sedins.

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AV is a sit back kind of guy. Did you see 'em today? Pass red line dump and change.
Up to and including last year the Canucks have been one of the, if not THE best teams at defending 3rd period leads.

It may not be the most exciting way to do it, but it's effective.

In the last 4 seasons, the Canucks have lost in regulation twice after leading through 40 minutes, and in OT just 6 times.

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Would that be the same Adam Oates who has had a grand total of 5 games to get to work with his dysfunctional team?

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Canuck fans think they have it bad? Please watch a few Avs games. Sacco is far far worse.

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01-29-2013, 01:49 AM
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Now we are getting somewhere.

How dare a coach prefer a skill player that is also defensively responsible.

Show me how many "pure skill" guys that aren't elite/top line talent have an impact on cup winning teams? LA had none, Boston had none, Chicago had none, ect...
How many of those teams had legit/elite two way players? Not a gong show like the Canucks have. Kesler/Burrows are our only legit players.

Other than those two, do we have a

Kopitar? Richards? Carter? Toews? Hossa? Krejci? Bergeron?

What, are we not supposed to use a Patrick Kane in the playoffs? Whenever we get an injury to a top 6 F, Lapierre is always given a shot. WTF. We're allowed to have a Seguin or Sharp, as well.

Non elite? Ryder, Versteeg, Penner


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The team just played its 4th game in 6 nights - for a team that had hardly anyone playing during the lockout and no real training camp, most of them probably aren't in game shape. Plus, let's not forget that we're missing Kesler and Booth. Chill the **** out people, we'll be OK.

Also, why is this on the main boards...

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