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01-28-2013, 09:50 PM
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Tommy Wingels has more goals than Stamkos and Crosby this season too. See what I did there?

How many of those guys do you see clear the crease? Damien Brunner has more hits than Ericsson this year
"stats mean nothing 5 games in,here's some stats from 5 games in to support my argument. oh by the way one of the guys i'm using has only played 2 games because why not?"

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01-28-2013, 09:55 PM
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Green is a dream for the powerplay.

And despite what Washington fans think on the internet, he'd still command an excellent sum in trade. Think Dion Phaneuf. That trade was:

Ian White, Matt Stajan, Niklas Hagman and Jamal Mayers.

At the time White was around a 20-30 point top 4 defender. Stajan had a 55 point season and had just scored 41 points in 55 games. Hagman has scored 20 goals in 55 games. Mayers was a veteran bottom 6 guy.

Now obviously the only piece in that trade that worked out for the Flames was Stajan, and even he regressed substantially. But AT THE TIME take a look at the bounty it took to get a guy who was "soured" with fans.

A young, improving center. A young top 4 defender with offensive upside. A 20 goal scorer with speed. And a scrappy bottom 6 forward.

Do the Wings have some combination of assets similar that would entice Washington to move him? A similar deal would include White, ironically. A guy of Helm caliber. And then a guy like Brunner, if he comes anywhere near 20 goal pace. Add Miller/Eaves.

What I'm trying to say is I don't think Quincey and hopeful prospects is going to entice Washington who is sitting on prime Backstrom and Ovechkin RIGHT NOW.
A comparable trade would be:

Franzen, Nyquist, Quincey, and Miller for Green.
Also, we would have to get a Fredrick Sjostrom and Keith Aulie back as well.


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01-28-2013, 09:56 PM
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"stats mean nothing 5 games in,here's some stats from 5 games in to support my argument. oh by the way one of the guys i'm using has only played 2 games because why not?"
Do you have a point?

Because I went on to expand more afterwards...

Yes using 5 games of stats as a gauge can be a bit misleading.

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01-28-2013, 10:33 PM
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Green is a dream for the powerplay.

And despite what Washington fans think on the internet, he'd still command an excellent sum in trade. Think Dion Phaneuf. That trade was:

Ian White, Matt Stajan, Niklas Hagman and Jamal Mayers.

At the time White was around a 20-30 point top 4 defender. Stajan had a 55 point season and had just scored 41 points in 55 games. Hagman has scored 20 goals in 55 games. Mayers was a veteran bottom 6 guy.

Now obviously the only piece in that trade that worked out for the Flames was Stajan, and even he regressed substantially. But AT THE TIME take a look at the bounty it took to get a guy who was "soured" with fans.

A young, improving center. A young top 4 defender with offensive upside. A 20 goal scorer with speed. And a scrappy bottom 6 forward.

Do the Wings have some combination of assets similar that would entice Washington to move him? A similar deal would include White, ironically. A guy of Helm caliber. And then a guy like Brunner, if he comes anywhere near 20 goal pace. Add Miller/Eaves.

What I'm trying to say is I don't think Quincey and hopeful prospects is going to entice Washington who is sitting on prime Backstrom and Ovechkin RIGHT NOW.
I think the difference is that Phaneuf, 24 at the time of his trade, was still regarded as a rising talent. Green, 27, coming off injuries is currently perceived to be on the wane.

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01-29-2013, 02:48 AM
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He's awful. Doesn't he have like one point in his last 27 games? Thought i read that somewhere. If u think our forum are whiners now...

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01-29-2013, 03:13 AM
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He's awful. Doesn't he have like one point in his last 27 games? Thought i read that somewhere. If u think our forum are whiners now...
dunno about before that but he has 3 points in his last 2 games

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Green is nothing like the player he was 07-10.

He doesn't jump on attacks and rush the puck like he did. He doesn't shoot nearly as much, looks like Kaberle sometimes.

His D is ok though, except tends to make mistakes position-wise. No the toughest SOB out there.

Serviceable player based on this seasons small sample size but not worth that money.

I doubt Caps are looking to move him unless they are out of contention. And maybe not even in that case.

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01-29-2013, 10:59 AM
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Green is nothing like the player he was 07-10.

He doesn't jump on attacks and rush the puck like he did. He doesn't shoot nearly as much, looks like Kaberle sometimes.

His D is ok though, except tends to make mistakes position-wise. No the toughest SOB out there.

Serviceable player based on this seasons small sample size but not worth that money.

I doubt Caps are looking to move him unless they are out of contention. And maybe not even in that case.
Yeah, this is a case of him clearly filling a need except for the pesky fact he's not on the trading block.

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01-29-2013, 11:03 AM
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I think the difference is that Phaneuf, 24 at the time of his trade, was still regarded as a rising talent. Green, 27, coming off injuries is currently perceived to be on the wane.
Eh, Green has 3 points in 5 games and currently boasts a 7% shooting percentage which is in line with the bulk of his career. I understand some people don't want to use the early part of the season to indicate anything but over a full season it works out to 50 points. Exactly what we need.

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We already have a Mike Green. His name is Ryan Sproul and he's tearing up the OHL.

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01-29-2013, 11:43 AM
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We already have a Mike Green. His name is Ryan Sproul and he's tearing up the OHL.
He's not ready yet. That's the problem.

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I have not seen him projected as Chara that was just something I think is somewhat obvious cause of his size. Chara is not called a shutdown defender. He is just a solid two way defenseman with SIZE. I just do not see Ericsson as a one dementional Volchenkov or Komasarik, Murray type.
At what point do we agree with me and admit Ericsson is not a one dimensional shut down dman. He is clearly a two way player. He was created as an offensive dman and will always have that part to his game.

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02-02-2013, 09:20 PM
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At what point do we agree with me and admit Ericsson is not a one dimensional shut down dman. He is clearly a two way player. He was created as an offensive dman and will always have that part to his game.
Yes, Hakan Andersson has a lab deep in the heart of Sweden, where he tried to create a Swedish Paul Coffey. Sadly, he ended up with something closer to Johnny Oduya. A for effort, though!

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