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[MTL] P.K. Subban re-signed (2 years, $2.875M per)

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01-29-2013, 02:34 AM
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This is a ridiculous deal for the Habs.

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01-29-2013, 03:14 AM
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Pretty obvious the owners are colluding and there will be no offer sheets for RFAs. The players are obviously hurting to get paid given the long layoff so it appears they will let the owners get away with this until the upcoming offseason, when I would expect a lawsuit.

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01-29-2013, 03:17 AM
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Of course he is worth that much no one even MB can debate that. The point of the bridge contract is actually to fully measure how much $ and how many years will he be worth in 1yr and 3 months from now. Just as Price signed 2yrs @ 2.75M$ per and got six years @ 6.5M$ per last summer. PK will sign for as much.
He'll sign for as much, but not in MTL. I'm thinking he is extremely bitter and will never forget this, certainly not in 2 years. Enjoy him while you have him. Oh, and be sure to overpay a few more grinders, more than PK, because you are not yet sure if Subban is a "professional."

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01-29-2013, 04:44 AM
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He'll sign for as much, but not in MTL. I'm thinking he is extremely bitter and will never forget this, certainly not in 2 years. Enjoy him while you have him. Oh, and be sure to overpay a few more grinders, more than PK, because you are not yet sure if Subban is a "professional."
You know Subban is an RFA in 2 years, right. It's ok anyway, he can be replaced then by signing Letang who'll clearly be bitter and wanting to leave Pittsburgh after being paid less as an RFA than he could have got on the open market.

You right though, it could be a blow though, especially after the last couple of years where Montreal have lost Price and Paccioretty, both of whom left after refusing to sign long term deals due to their "extreme bitterness" at their two year bridge deals after their ELCs finished. This really happened, can't argue with history...

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01-29-2013, 04:51 AM
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Not going into this war about Subban being lowballed or what a steal this was, what I want to go into is why isn't more clubs willing to go into bridge contracts to young players. There are many players that have had one or two good seasons coming out of their entry level contract and now its common for clubs to offer excessive contracts to them with the expectations that they will continue to develop and produce. That is a huge risk for clubs in general.

Teams especially Edmonton which is moving to the situation where they will have problems keeping everyone because of the Cap situation. Remember Chicago got dismantled because of this.

Bridge contracts protect the club and the player. It allows the club to keep that player's rights after the bridge contract and the continues to motivate the player to work for that big contract. When did it become the norm for players to automatically skip the middle contract and immedietely be rewarded for the big paying contract? Shouldn't those players continue to develop and show the club they should be rewarded for their play? After all the club is taking a huge risk in taking a long term contract that could cripple them for years if the player becomes a bust.

This league whether you like it or not, or support the ideology, is a cap league that requires team managers be cognitive about their cap and managing it long term. No manager wants to allow their club to implode like Chicago did. Maybe people here are just going to ignore this and only look at the player and you are free to do so. But for clubs, they worked hard to keep bridge contracts viable in the new CBA. Offering those 14yr deals simple is asking for clubs to mortgage their future and the risk is just insane. Its like the Stock Market, would you really expect a stock to keep rising for 14years straight?

There has to be some return to sanity when it comes to these contracts. Limiting the risk and rewarding for the effort should be apart of these deals. Bridge contracts have a place, they offer protection for both sides whether you believe it or not. Players know if they produce and keep developing then they will be rewarded. Clubs know that they don't need to risk a long term contract on a player coming out of his entry level contract. Clubs have the right to know what they will be getting and paying for.

This isn't the first bridge contract that Montreal used on a player, previously in the unlimited contract era, they offered bridge contracts to Carey Price and Max Pacioretty and look what happenned afterwards, both were rewarded with long term deals. Hopefully we will see more clubs head down this route because the health of the clubs and this league relys on the ability of the managers to manage their clubs well and not be forced into giving long term deals to players coming out of their entry level contracts. There should be a two way street for risk for both sides. In the past the agents simple had to put a gun to the head of the manager and the manager had to blink.

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01-29-2013, 04:53 AM
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good and more than fair 2nd contract for Subban and the Canadiens.

Good job to both camps for getting this done sooner rather than later.

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01-29-2013, 05:01 AM
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Wow, didn't see this coming at all. Grats for Habs fans. Bergevin has started very well.

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Why is he dumb as bricks? Because he put his childhood team ahead of himself? It's not always about the money.
Then.. why did he holdout?

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01-29-2013, 05:05 AM
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Pretty obvious the owners are colluding and there will be no offer sheets for RFAs. The players are obviously hurting to get paid given the long layoff so it appears they will let the owners get away with this until the upcoming offseason, when I would expect a lawsuit.
Honestly? How many offer sheets have been used on RFAs in the past? That tool is there, but is rarely used.

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He'll sign for as much, but not in MTL. I'm thinking he is extremely bitter and will never forget this, certainly not in 2 years. Enjoy him while you have him. Oh, and be sure to overpay a few more grinders, more than PK, because you are not yet sure if Subban is a "professional."
You seem bitter. I have a feeling if the Habs paid PK 5 million a year, you'd be here complaining they over paid. In 2 years PK will still be a RFA, but he will get paid handsomely and for a long term if he continues to improve. I hope you can rest for the next two years while a 23yr old makes 2.85 million a year, poor guy.

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01-29-2013, 05:19 AM
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It is great that so many fans of other teams are concerned about the Habs cap situation in two years. Montreal truly is the crown jewel of the league!

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01-29-2013, 05:19 AM
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This is not some monumental contract win for the Canadiens. This is what 2nd contract SHOULD look like in the sense that when GM's hold the hammer.

When players hold the hammer, they swing it and get paid very well. Sometimes more than they should.

When GM's hold the hammer and swing it, as MB did here, as Sather did with MDZ and countless previous 2nd contracted players. I'm not pumping up Sather here, just pointing out that this is what 2nd contracts SHOULD look like. Not 8 year deals for twice what he is getting now.

That time will come and the Canadiens will be MORE than happy to pay him when that time arrives.

This is a fair deal for both parties.

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01-29-2013, 05:23 AM
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WOW. Well done, MTL.

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01-29-2013, 05:30 AM
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[QUOTE=kemisti;58585017]Wow, didn't see this coming at all. Grats for Habs fans. Bergevin has started very well.



Then.. why did he holdout?[/QUOTE]

It was about the time. Silly Subban wanted to commit to the Habs, not Bergevin.

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01-29-2013, 05:37 AM
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Can't believe the bitterness from certain posters here... This is a great statement from Bergevin and a great signing for the Habs future. It's all about salary structure et incentives, PK can't stop working his ass off with this contract, and at a reasonnable price on top of that! Some posters here seem to have a hard time dealing with that.

"PKP is bitter" "Good luck signing him later" LOL Sounds more like wishfull thinking than a honest assesment of the situation.

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01-29-2013, 05:44 AM
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Great deal for the Habs, wow!

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I is a great deal for the Habs and a great deal for the NHL.

I would think that the Habs (and all clubs for that matter) are getting lots of pressure to keep a lid on contracts. Stop giving out multi-year multi-million dollar contracts and keep the league financially healthy. All it takes is one club to screw up and you set a precedent. NYR and Florida both did the same thing by getting bridge deals on good yound d-men.

Looks like Colorado is trying to stick by their guns as well, good on 'em!

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01-29-2013, 06:40 AM
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He'll sign for as much, but not in MTL. I'm thinking he is extremely bitter and will never forget this, certainly not in 2 years. Enjoy him while you have him. Oh, and be sure to overpay a few more grinders, more than PK, because you are not yet sure if Subban is a "professional."


Someone is extremely bitter, but it's not PK.

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01-29-2013, 07:24 AM
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He'll sign for as much, but not in MTL. I'm thinking he is extremely bitter and will never forget this, certainly not in 2 years. Enjoy him while you have him. Oh, and be sure to overpay a few more grinders, more than PK, because you are not yet sure if Subban is a "professional."
Marc Bergevin is smarter than you are. Go kick sand somewhere else.

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01-29-2013, 07:27 AM
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Good for Bergevin. He held out and didn't give in. If PK wants the big pay day in a couple of years he'll need to go out and earn it now.
He has earned it.

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01-29-2013, 07:30 AM
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He has earned it.
Last season we couldn't get other fans to agree that Subban is a good player, and now every one is mad that the Habs lowballed him because he earned $6M/per. Double You Tee Eff.

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Pretty obvious the owners are colluding and there will be no offer sheets for RFAs. The players are obviously hurting to get paid given the long layoff so it appears they will let the owners get away with this until the upcoming offseason, when I would expect a lawsuit.
Subban apparently received offer sheets and told his agent he didn't even want to see them.

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Subban apparently received offer sheets and told his agent he didn't even want to see them.
Could I see the source?

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Subban apparently received offer sheets and told his agent he didn't even want to see them.
Really? I find that hard to believe but amazing if true.

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Montreal did the proper thing here. They controlled salaries for their team when they had the ability to control salaries.

Flip side is that PK showed his desire to remain in Montreal for the forseeable future.

He could have signed a 4 year deal for a little more money which would have gotten him one year past UFA and then signed elsewhere after that. He could have asked to be traded.

He signed a fair bridge contract that will allow him to elect arbitration for a 1/2 year deal that he will win, or and more likely, he signs an 8 year deal to stay in Montreal for the buku bucks he will have earned over the next 2 seasons.

He's not getting screwed over here. He's working within the system that the players themselves agreed to in this CBA, the last CBA and the CBA before that.

It would be nice for some posters here to recognize that paying players in this situation 5+ million is part of the problem in contract inflation.

It doesn't set a good precedent (team or league wide) to pay more than you have to one 2nd contracts.

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Subban apparently received offer sheets and told his agent he didn't even want to see them.
Need to see proof of this.

Kudos to him if true, but I doubt you hold out over 600k and NOT look at offersheets.

Seems kind of bass ackwards

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He has earned it.
And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

It's not a matter of earning anything. It's a matter of the team controlling salaries when they have the hammer.

You can bet your last dollar that the player will milk every penny they can out of the team when they hold the hammer, I see no problem here.

This is good business.

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