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01-28-2013, 11:32 PM
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5M is pretty much market rate for a good 2C. It would depend on how long he was willing to sign for into his UFA years.
I think the issue in COL is they don't want to pay him more than they gave Duchene ($3.5M per on a short deal). Sounds a little bit like the Subban stalemate (since resolved in the team's favor). Do you think the Ducks would be willing to risk a long term deal at $5M per?

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01-28-2013, 11:33 PM
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I`d love O`Reilly


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i seriously doubt Murray would do this. And now, with situation with Corey and Getzy, i`m not sure we should sign other teams RFA first.

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01-28-2013, 11:36 PM
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I think we can get someone just as good as O'Reilly if we hold onto our first. I don't want to give up a first while Getzlaf and Perry are contract holdouts.

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01-28-2013, 11:39 PM
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i seriously doubt Murray would do this. And now, with situation with Corey and Getzy, i`m not sure we should sign other teams RFA first.
I do agree Bob needs to resolve P&G first. But if he gets that done shortly or if he signs Getz and Perry wants to go ufa, then the possibility of working a trade for ROR (should he still be available) might be a good thing. Assuming we know we can sign him.

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I think we can get someone just as good as O'Reilly if we hold onto our first. I don't want to give up a first while Getzlaf and Perry are contract holdouts.
Maybe a few years down the road, but not immediately. If management really wants to show Getzlaf and Perry that they're willing to spend to be competitive, than an O'Reilly esque deal would be a good start seeing as we have a glaring weakness at 2C.

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01-28-2013, 11:47 PM
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Maybe a few years down the road, but not immediately. If management really wants to show Getzlaf and Perry that they're willing to spend to be competitive, than an O'Reilly esque deal would be a good start seeing as we have a glaring weakness at 2C.
That shouldn't have any bearing in the scenario that was laid out. I also disagree, the time to do that was a season ago. I don't think a trade on deadline day is going to make them see the light. That sounds like the silly crap that Devils and Preds fans were telling themselves last year.

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01-29-2013, 12:00 AM
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That shouldn't have any bearing in the scenario that was laid out. I also disagree, the time to do that was a season ago. I don't think a trade on deadline day is going to make them see the light. That sounds like the silly crap that Devils and Preds fans were telling themselves last year.
I understand your reasoning trading for a player like Weiss come deadline time, but if getting an approximately 4 year solution to the 2nd line center problem is silly crap, then we will just have to agree to disagree that that type of commitment wont show anything to the twins. This of course assumes that ROR (just an example) is signed for around that amount of time, and that Murray isn't lowballing the twins.

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01-29-2013, 12:06 AM
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If they aren't committed by then, then they won't be committed at all. You don't go for O'Reilly to make a show. You go for O'Reilly if you think guys like Holland won't be ready to go in the next year and a half.

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01-29-2013, 12:08 AM
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If he is available, I would pull the trigger. I like Bonino on the second line, but this is a pretty substantial upgrade and allows bonino/Rakell to take over third line duties next year.

I think we would lose Sbisa or Palmieri plus probably Holland, but we could recover. The tougher one would be Sbisa in the short term, but I think Lindholm will be that type of player in a couple years.

How about a Palmieri and Holland for ROR and a pick.

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01-29-2013, 12:11 AM
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He isn't locked up, nor has he proven to be a consistent producer. I wouldn't offer that for O'Reilly. Duchene, maybe, but not ROR.

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01-29-2013, 12:29 AM
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If he is available, I would pull the trigger. I like Bonino on the second line, but this is a pretty substantial upgrade and allows bonino/Rakell to take over third line duties next year.

I think we would lose Sbisa or Palmieri plus probably Holland, but we could recover. The tougher one would be Sbisa in the short term, but I think Lindholm will be that type of player in a couple years.

How about a Palmieri and Holland for ROR and a pick.
Sbisa is replaceable we have Vatanen and Lindholm NHL ready. Iosing him wouldn't be an issue. Acquiring ROR for Palms and Holland would be an issue. I don't think Etem is ready for a full 82 game season with the ducks even though how much I love him and all. Are you willing to ship out our first over palms or holland? Where's your head at?

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01-29-2013, 12:51 AM
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Sbisa is replaceable we have Vatanen and Lindholm NHL ready. Iosing him wouldn't be an issue. Acquiring ROR for Palms and Holland would be an issue. I don't think Etem is ready for a full 82 game season with the ducks even though how much I love him and all. Are you willing to ship out our first over palms or holland? Where's your head at?
there has been nothing to show that either are NHL ready let alone BOTH.

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Sbisa is replaceable we have Vatanen and Lindholm NHL ready.
No they are not. Haven't even been impressive in the AHL. And my predection on Lindholm is possible bust. 2 concussions since the draft...oh boy I don't like where this is heading.

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01-29-2013, 05:34 AM
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I think making a move for Kessel would be a great move. Etem+1st would be enough for Kessel with 1 year left on his contract. I know I will get burnt for this but he would be a great replacement for Teemu when it comes to a scorer at ES and PP. Even after resigning Perry and Getzlaf we will easily have enough cap to resign Kessel after this contract.

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That top 4 rivals any top 4 in the NHL. Just spitballing.

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01-29-2013, 06:19 AM
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They aren't going to give him up for that. They also aren't looking for wingers. They have plenty of talented ones on their team or in their system. I have to think they'd want something like depth player, Gibson, Holland, and a 1st.

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01-29-2013, 07:17 AM
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No way they would get Kessel for Etem and 1st. Not even close.

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01-29-2013, 07:48 AM
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Id much rather have ROR than kessel...

either way i doubt we trade our local boy etem... it will be good to have a local kid make the nhl roster and play a big role(if/when). I think hes too important to socal hockey.

I think putting Ror with ryan is a better move then kessel.

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01-29-2013, 08:39 AM
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ROR won't work unless Teemu retires at the end of the season.

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The source of that story is Garrioch. He's like a notch above Eklund. O'Reilly probably isn't available.

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The source of that story is Garrioch. He's like a notch above Eklund. O'Reilly probably isn't available.
Eh it wouldn't hurt to poke around and see if they would budge off that.

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I think O'Rielly would be a great fit with Ryan. He can do the dirty work while Ryan floats on the perimeter and scores.

But there's no way a budget team could afford all 4 (twins + Ryan + ROR).

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He's one of their most cherished players. If it hadn't been for Landeskog's arrival he would have been their captain. There are many that feel that he still should be. If he's available, someone with some rep will mention it.

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I think O'Rielly would be a great fit with Ryan. He can do the dirty work while Ryan floats on the perimeter and scores.

But there's no way a budget team could afford all 4 (twins + Ryan + ROR).

Samueli's have shown in the past though that they will spend for a cup contender. If they thought ROR was the missing piece I think they would be fine with a cap team vs a budget team. I dont think ROR is a 1 piece that makes us a contender, but if they wanted to spend they would.

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The price of the 2007 team is roughly what he is paying now.

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PHILLY.COM: Sam Carchidi noted the toll the rising number of injuries has had on the Flyers roster. Carchidi claims the loss of Andrej Meszaros for a month to a shoulder injury hasn’t prompted Flyers management to send an offer sheet to unsigned Montreal Canadiens blueliner P.K. Subban, but that could change if another key defenseman gets hurt. He also wondered if the Flyers scoring woes so far this season might prompt management to make a bold move, perhaps by targeting Anaheim Ducks forward Bobby Ryan.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Flyers were rumored to have contacted the Canadiens making inquiries about Subban’s trade status, but Carchidi reported late last week there was no truth to that speculation. The Habs, meanwhile, insist they’re not shopping Subban, so if the Flyers want him, an offer sheet may be their best route, but given their limited cap space even with Chris Pronger on LTIR, that doesn’t seem a likely one. Trading for a scoring forward seems possible, but the asking price for Ryan was reportedly Sean Couturier and Brayden Schenn.
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