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01-29-2013, 02:01 PM
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The Jessiman and Montoya picks were the two bad ones as D Mac as controversial as it is on here as tremendous character and at some point will be an NHL d man . He's too athletic , too big and strong and too smart and teachable not to be . Not That I don't lament picking Tarasenko or Fowler who are already NHL talent and were at draft day but D Mack will be a Ranger eventually
Jessiman you can argue was taken too high but he was still projected to be a first round pick. Montoya was the best goalie available and goaltending was a need at the time.

The question you can ask about the Jessiman and Montoya picks is: were they the best players available?

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01-29-2013, 02:02 PM
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05' Staal(1st) Sauer(2nd)
06' Sang's(1st)
08' MDZ(1st) Kundratek(3rd)
10' McIlrath(1st)
12' Skjei (1st)

Sather hasn't been going BPA. He's been trying to find NHL caliber players with his drafting. It's time to gamble a bit more, but every pick is a gamble in one way or another.

I still get upset thinking about what could have been if Cherry didn't pass away. What this team would look like. How it would have affected the teams drafting over the years.

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Given the Rangers market advantage and lure for drawing big name FA's, I think their strategy of drafting building blocks and then sprinkling in high profile FA's on top is not a bad strategy.
Good post. They certainly seem content to building a core of homegrown players and then going out and augmenting (meaning adding top, proven talent) via FA and trades.

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01-29-2013, 02:06 PM
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05' Staal(1st) Sauer(2nd)
06' Sang's(1st)
08' MDZ(1st) Kundratek(3rd)
10' McIlrath(1st)
12' Skjei (1st)

Sather hasn't been going BPA. He's been trying to find NHL caliber players with his drafting. It's time to gamble a bit more, but every pick is a gamble in one way or another.

I still get upset thinking about what could have been if Cherry didn't pass away. What this team would look like. How it would have affected the teams drafting over the years.
I would argue that it shouldn't have affected the way the team drafted one way or the other.

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01-29-2013, 02:15 PM
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Good post. They certainly seem content to building a core of homegrown players and then going out and augmenting (meaning adding top, proven talent) via FA and trades.
I think this has always been the loose strategy since the Jagr years.

Sather ****ed it all up with the wrong free agent signings in Gomez/Drury/Redden.

He looks like he found the right ones in Gaborik/Richards/Nash (via trade).

Lets hope he, and the future GM, can control themselves going forward.

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01-29-2013, 02:18 PM
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I would argue that it shouldn't have affected the way the team drafted one way or the other.
I don't disagree one bit.

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01-29-2013, 02:27 PM
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Cherepanov may have been that one guy. Was he the BPA when the Rangers picked him in 2007 or were the Rangers looking specifically for high end skill at that point? Trying to remember off the top of my head here.

Looking at the draft now..It was a good pick at 17. Max Patch at 22 was the best player after that.

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01-29-2013, 02:35 PM
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Cherepanov may have been that one guy. Was he the BPA when the Rangers picked him in 2007 or were the Rangers looking specifically for high end skill at that point? Trying to remember off the top of my head here.

Looking at the draft now..It was a good pick at 17. Max Patch at 22 was the best player after that.
He was a consensus top 5 pick, potentially #1, but everybody was scared off by the KHL factor. Sather was not, it was a great pick, sad story.

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01-29-2013, 02:37 PM
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Cherepanov may have been that one guy. Was he the BPA when the Rangers picked him in 2007 or were the Rangers looking specifically for high end skill at that point? Trying to remember off the top of my head here.

Looking at the draft now..It was a good pick at 17. Max Patch at 22 was the best player after that.
Pacioretty was going to the Rangers in alot of mock drafts back then. He was a Ranger fan too. No one knew Cherepanov would slide that far. That was a good pick, nobody knows what the future holds.

And in saying that, thats why you always pick the best hockey player. Good GMs have traditionally stockpiled talent and figure out the balance LATER. Thats what good Managers do.

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We'll never know if Chere would have panned out but we've had very few players with his offensive potential in the cupboard over the past decade. I mean, remember how excited everyone was when we traded for Jozef Balej? Woof.

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He was a consensus top 5 pick, potentially #1, but everybody was scared off by the KHL factor. Sather was not, it was a great pick, sad story.
Knowing what we know now, Im not so sure it was just the KHL transfer agreement - unless you mean shoddy medical practices and allegations of blood doping by saying the "KHL factor."

Anyway, yea, it was a tragic and sad story. But I dont think you can call a pick that dropped dead in Russia a "great" one.

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Knowing what we know now, Im not so sure it was just the KHL transfer agreement - unless you mean shoddy medical practices and allegations of blood doping by saying the "KHL factor."

Anyway, yea, it was a tragic and sad story. But I dont think you can call a pick that dropped dead in Russia a "great" one.
It was a great pick at the time, the kid scored at a similar pace and a younger age to Malkin or Ovechkin in the KHL. That type of skill is precisely what has been missing from this organization until trading for Rick Nash. Had he not dropped dead and the talent panned out, we could potentially be looking at a similar NYR team right now without having to have traded Archie, Dubi, and Erixon. I know it is a lot of ifs, but the kid was scoring at a record pace, and certainly had tons of talent. Obviously, I was discounting the factor of hindsight when I said great pick.

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Knowing what we know now, Im not so sure it was just the KHL transfer agreement - unless you mean shoddy medical practices and allegations of blood doping by saying the "KHL factor."

Anyway, yea, it was a tragic and sad story. But I dont think you can call a pick that dropped dead in Russia a "great" one.
I don't think the blood doping story came out until his death, did it? Either way I would agree it's misleading to say he dropped solely because of the KHL factor.

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Unless we're loaded with talent, I think it's unwise to take a major gamble in the first round. Use a second round pick for that. As several others have mentioned, buying the talent and drafting the support players seems to be working out pretty well now that we've found the right talent.

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The question is what's better: a player who has a 75% chance of becoming another Taylor Pyatt, a player who has a 50-50 chance of becoming another Callahan or a player who has a 25% chance of becoming Giroux?
This is such a video game canard. It's not like every guy has a potential rating plastered on his forehead or a given label like "grinder" or "sniper" that is assured to stick with him his whole career.

You're drafting kids who are still growing both physically and mentally, it's not a perfect science. And how many Giroux's do you think there are in the league right now? This notion that each year one is just there for the taking at the back end of round one is ridiculous.

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I'd ask Gabby to take a little less, maybe 7+m to 5.3 or so. Same for Hank. Think since they have enough and can get advertising, they would be open if it meant retaining a quality team. I'd ask Nash, too, but we have him locked for the next several seasons.

Gabby for 5M? G'luck with that. Same with Henrik.


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Rangers have a defense corp that can play defense.

McDonagh, Staal, Girardi, Del Zotto, with Skjei (who is going to be very good), and McIlrath...

What they don't have is any consistent offensive threat.

Every Stanley Cup champion that I can recall off the top of my head in the last 20+ years had one.

Also, one reason our PP sucks, and have trouble consistently sustaining an attack is because we have no real threat from the back end.
I don't know. If we're going to say DZ "can play defense" I don't think it's a stretch to say that he's also an "offensive threat." I think he's going to have a big year on offense personally and last year he was 18th league wide in terms of points by D men. Not counting Karlsson, who had a ridiculous year, DZ was only 12 points behind the top scorers at his position.


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Pacioretty was going to the Rangers in alot of mock drafts back then. He was a Ranger fan too. No one knew Cherepanov would slide that far. That was a good pick, nobody knows what the future holds.

And in saying that, thats why you always pick the best hockey player. Good GMs have traditionally stockpiled talent and figure out the balance LATER. Thats what good Managers do.
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Draft strategy: take the best player available.
Like in 2010?


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Keep this thread to draft strategy/drafting discussions. This isn't about trading Stepan or trading anyone.

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Like in 2010?
Not sure what your point is.

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I don't think the blood doping story came out until his death, did it? Either way I would agree it's misleading to say he dropped solely because of the KHL factor.
You're right, it didnt - but I always thought it was fishy that a sure-fire top 5 pick dropped to #17 just because teams were scared of the transfer agreement.

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Gordie Clark admitted that the Rangers didn't pick the best player available in 2010, but instead took a player that they felt filled a need in the organization.

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You're right, it didnt - but I always thought it was fishy that a sure-fire top 5 pick dropped to #17 just because teams were scared of the transfer agreement.
There were other factors. The Ducks just won the Cup with their grinding team so suddenly big Canadian centers like Brandon Sutter and Colton Gillies were "in". There were also big concerns about his work ethic.

He wasn't considered a sure-fire top 5 pick right before the draft though. ISS final rankings had him ranked 6th. Red Line had him 8th among forwards.

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