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01-29-2013, 03:41 PM
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Tor - Nyquist and Det 1st rd pick. Retain some of Kessel's cap.
Det - Kessel

Tor - Berglund
STL - Colbourne and MacArthur

Amnesty Buyout Komi at Years end.

If Drafting Top Five, Draft Monahan. Trade a 2nd rd pick for Perry's Rights. Sign Ranger to a 1yr deal. Sign Perry to a 5yr 35-40mil.

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JVR - Grabo - Frattin
Nyquist - Kadri - Komarov
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Gardiner - Ranger
Holzer - Fraser/Kotska
Why on earth would we trade Kessel? Let alone for that return.

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Why on earth would we trade Kessel? Let alone for that return.
He plays too much NHL13.

Thats probably why.

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01-29-2013, 03:51 PM
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He plays too much NHL13.

Thats probably why.
If trading was as easy as NHL13 the Leafs may have won a Cup by now.

I like the direction the team is going in and there are some pieces that can be moved at the deadline if the team is out of the playoff picture that can get either a prospect or pick.

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01-29-2013, 04:00 PM
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[QUOTE=Drew311;58590115]I'm pretty sure it was Regehr who bumped heads with Phaneuf during their time togeher in Calgary, which ultimately lead to Phaneuf being traded. Probably wouldn't be a great idea to re-unite them.

- Disagree. Yes, Phaneuf/Regher had issues but it was because Dion as an 18 year old came in all cocky to the dressing room, stuff like that doesn't sit well with vets. A lot has changed since 03', Phaneuf has grown up and evolved, and I'm sure Reghr isnt' sitting there holding onto something that occured a decade ago. Adding Regher would be a smart move, we need more defensive guys and he would fit well into Carlyle's system.

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He plays too much NHL13.

Thats probably why.
If thats the case, I'm wondering why he doesn't bring back Lombardi to center Kessel.

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01-29-2013, 04:08 PM
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Tor - Nyquist and Det 1st rd pick. Retain some of Kessel's cap.
Det - Kessel

Tor - Berglund
STL - Colbourne and MacArthur

Amnesty Buyout Komi at Years end.
So you want a 2nd liner and a ~25th pick for a 25y/o star sniper? Its not a 4 year slump he's in. It's a 4 game slump, where he's actually played well, just been unlucky.

Wouldn't trade Mac and Colbourne for a player I think Colbourne could be like. The value is close, but I think we give too much. JC and a 2nd? Not really worth over paying for a 40 pt center with OK intangibles. He brings nothing of great value. Unless you like tall guys.

Komi is playing decent of late and we need his toughness on the back end. We've gotten a little too soft there, IMO.

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01-29-2013, 04:10 PM
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He plays too much NHL13.

Thats probably why.
I'm waiting for the "he's a ufa, trade him before he walks" line.

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What's the story with Steckel? How badly is he struggling? He seemed an asset for the Capitals once upon a time, what happened?
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He got replaced by McClement.

Steckel hasn't been struggling. Just doesnt fit on our roster
Interesting. So he's not a whipping boy, not taking criticism, or any of that? Just lost his spot to the more effective McClemment?

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Interesting. So he's not a whipping boy, not taking criticism, or any of that? Just lost his spot to the more effective McClemment?
Meh, people whine about him being too slow, but I think he's a great 4th line center. Basically McClemment is more effective...

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01-29-2013, 04:22 PM
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Interesting. So he's not a whipping boy, not taking criticism, or any of that? Just lost his spot to the more effective McClemment?
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Meh, people whine about him being too slow, but I think he's a great 4th line center. Basically McClemment is more effective...
Yup, he's a good 4th line centre, just a bit slow. But McClement is a better overall player.

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Sweet. I don't know if you guys heard, but we just lost Lombardi for half the season. Any way you guys might be willing to part with Steckel for a late pick? Phoenix just bumps Gordon up to the third line, and slides Steckel into that 4th C spot until Lombardi comes back.

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Sweet. I don't know if you guys heard, but we just lost Lombardi for half the season. Any way you guys might be willing to part with Steckel for a late pick? Phoenix just bumps Gordon up to the third line, and slides Steckel into that 4th C spot until Lombardi comes back.
I'd trade him for a 5th, conditional 4th if he resigns.

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Sweet. I don't know if you guys heard, but we just lost Lombardi for half the season. Any way you guys might be willing to part with Steckel for a late pick? Phoenix just bumps Gordon up to the third line, and slides Steckel into that 4th C spot until Lombardi comes back.
Anyway it can be changed to OEL for 2.5 million shekels and one Steckel? We can move on the shekels!

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Anyway it can be changed to OEL for 2.5 million shekels and one Steckel? We can move on the shekels!
Any way? Yes, there is a way. Two point five million shekels, one Steckel, one Kessel, a Morgan Rielly, and your very next draft pick!

Or we can just go with this...

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I'd trade him for a 5th, conditional 4th if he re-signs.

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I'd trade him for a 5th, conditional 4th if he resigns.
IMO that is a bit much to ask for Steckle.

He's a fringe NHL player at this point in time despite him being a "specialist" in certain areas.

He's nice to have as a 12th or 13th forward as depth, but his mobility has been a concern his entire career and it is quite evident early this season in its small sample size that the break hasn't benefited him in any way, shape or form.

Although he may be a good fit in the 'Yotes system, so its certainly possible.

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Sweet. I don't know if you guys heard, but we just lost Lombardi for half the season. Any way you guys might be willing to part with Steckel for a late pick? Phoenix just bumps Gordon up to the third line, and slides Steckel into that 4th C spot until Lombardi comes back.
That sucks, but I can't say I'm surprised. Steckel could probably be had for a 4th/5th.

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What was it we got in return for Lombardi?

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IMO that is a bit much to ask for Steckle.

He's a fringe NHL player at this point in time despite him being a "specialist" in certain areas.

He's nice to have as a 12th or 13th forward as depth, but his mobility has been a concern his entire career and it is quite evident early this season in its small sample size that the break hasn't benefited him in any way, shape or form.

Although he may be a good fit in the 'Yotes system, so its certainly possible.
Thing is, despite it being Burke that made the trade, I don't think Nonis would like to "lose value" by going from giving up a 4th to receiving a 6th or something.

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Thing is, despite it being Burke that made the trade, I don't think Nonis would like to "lose value" by going from giving up a 4th to receiving a 6th or something.
Its not about "losing" for Nonis.

He'll move players if necessary or at an appropriate time despite what it cost the Leafs in previous seasons.

But at the rate this season is going and with the small injuries that may keep players rotating through the line up, someone like Steckel may be more valuable to us than a 4th round pick.

IMO if he's moved, it'll be at the deadline when there is a clear indication as to what the Leafs direction will be. This same thing applies to the likes of Macarthur.

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Deadline
Tor - Nyquist and Det 1st rd pick. Retain some of Kessel's cap.
Det - Kessel

Tor - Berglund
STL - Colbourne and MacArthur

Amnesty Buyout Komi at Years end.

If Drafting Top Five, Draft Monahan. Trade a 2nd rd pick for Perry's Rights. Sign Ranger to a 1yr deal. Sign Perry to a 5yr 35-40mil.

Lupul - Berglund - Perry
JVR - Grabo - Frattin
Nyquist - Kadri - Komarov
___ - McClemment - Brown

Gunner - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Ranger
Holzer - Fraser/Kotska
I like the idea of a Kessel trade with the Red Wings, but I'd want Nyquist, one of Smith/Jarnkrok, and a 1st.

edit: Actually I'd want Jarnkrok as the main piece.

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Its not about "losing" for Nonis.

He'll move players if necessary or at an appropriate time despite what it cost the Leafs in previous seasons.

But at the rate this season is going and with the small injuries that may keep players rotating through the line up, someone like Steckel may be more valuable to us than a 4th round pick.

IMO if he's moved, it'll be at the deadline when there is a clear indication as to what the Leafs direction will be. This same thing applies to the likes of Macarthur.
any indication for the long term futures of liles and franson here at TML?

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For those in favor of tanking, does it concern you that the new draft rules do not favor the worst team in the league? I beleive the bottom 14 teams all have the same chance?

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any indication for the long term futures of liles and franson here at TML?
I dont think any teams have been exactly kicking down the door for those two.

I know Detroit had inquires about Franson, but the "luxury" of the Leafs having the ability to rotate defenders through the schedule has sort of been a focal point for Carlyle.

Gardiner isn't 100%, Komisarek has experienced issues and we'll see more injuries occur through this tough schedule.

With that said, other teams will want to acquire depth for that very reason and once we start seeing the real contenders, the Leafs will start to see more serious offers.

I'd say around the 15 game mark, teams will determine their potential direction and decide what ring to throw their hats in.

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Deadline
Tor - Nyquist and Det 1st rd pick. Retain some of Kessel's cap.
Det - Kessel


Tor - Berglund
STL - Colbourne and MacArthur

Amnesty Buyout Komi at Years end.

If Drafting Top Five, Draft Monahan. Trade a 2nd rd pick for Perry's Rights. Sign Ranger to a 1yr deal. Sign Perry to a 5yr 35-40mil.

Lupul - Berglund - Perry
JVR - Grabo - Frattin
Nyquist - Kadri - Komarov
___ - McClemment - Brown

Gunner - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Ranger
Holzer - Fraser/Kotska
No thanks... add another 1st and Nonis doesnt hang up.

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I dont think any teams have been exactly kicking down the door for those two.

I know Detroit had inquires about Franson, but the "luxury" of the Leafs having the ability to rotate defenders through the schedule has sort of been a focal point for Carlyle.

Gardiner isn't 100%, Komisarek has experienced issues and we'll see more injuries occur through this tough schedule.

With that said, other teams will want to acquire depth for that very reason and once we start seeing the real contenders, the Leafs will start to see more serious offers.

I'd say around the 15 game mark, teams will determine their potential direction and decide what ring to throw their hats in.
Would Nonis be able to pick a direction to send the team in, or will he just stand pat if we're a .500 team at the deadline?

I'd like to see some consistency in that regard, because as of now, no one knows where this team is headed, and we didn't know after last years deadline. Are we seeing what we have and trying to find the pieces that fit? Because one thing Burke did, that I never liked, was the recycling of players. Bring someone in, they don't fit with the "core" then they're out.

Essentially, what I'm asking, is Nonis willing to restart if it comes down to it, or is there too much pressure to try and compete?

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