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01-28-2013, 01:55 PM
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I'll be surprised if Tatar isn't with the Wings to start the season next year. I think a bigger question is the blueline. We potentially four guys who could come to GR's blueline next season (Oullet, Sproul, Marchenko, Backman) and I don't imagine them wanting to start four AHL rookies - though two of them have been playing in men's leagues. I wonder if someone will be given the opportunity to skip GR and go straight to Detroit. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Backman makes that sort of jump with how he's doing this season.
Well they have already said Backman isn't coming over next year. Although even if Marchenko stays in Russia, decisions need to be made on Jensen and Nedomlel.

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Well they have already said Backman isn't coming over next year. Although even if Marchenko stays in Russia, decisions need to be made on Jensen and Nedomlel.
I think it would be wise to sign Jensen now before his senor year where he could walk away & sign with anybody ala Shultz. Nedomlel I'd also like to see signed but I can really only stat watch so I have no idea if he is progressing or not.

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I think it would be wise to sign Jensen now before his senor year where he could walk away & sign with anybody ala Shultz. Nedomlel I'd also like to see signed but I can really only stat watch so I have no idea if he is progressing or not.
I have had the chance to watch him live a few times this year. Compared to last year he has definitely improved. He's being used in all situations and you can tell the coaches use him as much as possible. His point totals may be down slightly but his over all game has made strides. I like him as a prospect and believe he should be signed. I could see him becoming a #5-#6 guy.

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01-28-2013, 03:31 PM
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I think it would be wise to sign Jensen now before his senor year where he could walk away & sign with anybody ala Shultz. Nedomlel I'd also like to see signed but I can really only stat watch so I have no idea if he is progressing or not.
It's funny how things change in a year. I think our defensive prospects are licking their chops now. It looks like there will be a lot of spots for the taking on that Detroit blue line soon enough.

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01-28-2013, 03:35 PM
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It's funny how things change in a year. I think our defensive prospects are licking their chops now. It looks like there will be a lot of spots for the taking on that Detroit blue line soon enough.
Yeah I said this to a buddy about DeKeyser as well. He might have been reluctant to sign in Detroit last off-season, he has to see opportunity now.

If DeKeyser signs unless they can move some contracts I think Nedomlel pays the price and doesn't get an offer.

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01-28-2013, 08:28 PM
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Gus and Tatar will likely both finish in the top ten in AHL scoring. For Tatar I think it is NHL or KHL next season. He has nothing left to prove at the AHL level.

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I agree I think it's either in the NHL, whether that's with the wings or another team, or he's gone to the KHL for atleast a year.
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I think Gus and Tatar will probably both start with the big club next year or I seriously think Tatar will go the KHL route.

Also does anyone have an update on Dekeyser? How's he doing this year and when will he sign with a NHL club?
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Gus and Tatar will likely both finish in the top ten in AHL scoring. For Tatar I think it is NHL or KHL next season. He has nothing left to prove at the AHL level.
With an NHL contract, I don't think Tatar can play in the KHL next season.

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01-29-2013, 07:59 AM
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With an NHL contract, I don't think Tatar can play in the KHL next season.
Yeah, I think he's said that he will give it time to 14-15 season to make the team. If he hasn't made it by then, it's KHL. So having Tatar as the first call up next season and then giving him 1-way contract would make him stay imo. Even better if he gets roster spot, there will be rush at Griffins next year. Though he could give some vet presence there, lol.

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01-29-2013, 08:23 AM
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Brock with this piece ranking top 10 unsigned overagers from OHL. Anything interesting there?

I could be taking a shot at Matt Petgrave.

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He's such an athletic defenseman who has a ton of great tools. He can carry the puck up the ice with ease thanks to his skating ability. He runs the powerplay well. He is one of the most feared and aggressive hitters in the league. He has pretty good size at about 6'1, 190lbs. That said, there are some areas of his game that have never really improved during his time in the league. He's still prone to turnovers in his own end, and his ability to defend in zone coverage situations never really took that next step. This could point to some deficiencies in the hockey sense department. But the athletic tangibles are there and I think he's still striving to reach his potential.
Too bad he's lefty. Still over ppg this year.

Would give a try-out if no other team isn't taking a shot at him.

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Brock with this piece ranking top 10 unsigned overagers from OHL. Anything interesting there?

I could be taking a shot at Matt Petgrave.



Too bad he's lefty. Still over ppg this year.

Would give a try-out if no other team isn't taking a shot at him.
Like it says, turnover prone defenceman. I have seen him play a couple times. With his athleticism and hitting I think he should actually move to a wing and try to make the NHL in a bottom 6 role.

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Two assists for Pulkkinen tonight, on the equalizer and the goal winner. +2 and 14:45 icetime.

Järnkrok had the assist on their only goal. He was +1, won 76% of his faceoffs and played 20:10. I think he's been way better on the dot lately compared to the start of the season.

Team-high 21:38 icetime for Bäckman as they lost 4-1. He was -1.


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Well they have already said Backman isn't coming over next year. Although even if Marchenko stays in Russia, decisions need to be made on Jensen and Nedomlel.
I think Backman could force their hand, though, if he wants to. What is there left for the guy to do in Sweden? He's making the national team, he's arguably the best D on his team, he's top10 in D scoring...the only thing he really needs is to add some bulk, but that's not really a huge deal and would probably take another couple of years regardless of what league he's in. If he wants to stay in Sweden, let him, but I'm not sure it's going to be a necessity from a development standpoint.

With Marchenko it's purely about icetime. He needs it, he hasn't been getting in Russia, I'd rather see the Wings do what they can to take a bit more control of it.

And you're right about Nedomiel and Jensen. Maybe the Wings aren't as high on some of these guys as we and others are, but if they don't find a way to make some room, they're not going to have a choice in losing them.

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I think Backman could force their hand, though, if he wants to. What is there left for the guy to do in Sweden? He's making the national team, he's arguably the best D on his team, he's top10 in D scoring...the only thing he really needs is to add some bulk, but that's not really a huge deal and would probably take another couple of years regardless of what league he's in. If he wants to stay in Sweden, let him, but I'm not sure it's going to be a necessity from a development standpoint.

With Marchenko it's purely about icetime. He needs it, he hasn't been getting in Russia, I'd rather see the Wings do what they can to take a bit more control of it.

And you're right about Nedomiel and Jensen. Maybe the Wings aren't as high on some of these guys as we and others are, but if they don't find a way to make some room, they're not going to have a choice in losing them.
He signed another one-year deal in Sweden the other day. While there's still an NHL out clause, Hakan and the gang have all but said he's staying another year too. Yeah, it's not really a big deal either way, he's a couple of years away no matter what.

With Marchenko, my impression is they want him over next season. The decision seems to be up to him.

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Good updates from Backman and Marchenko :

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(Hakan) Andersson said that aside from Edmonton Oilers first-rounder Oscar Klefbom, he wouldn’t trade Backman for any defenseman in Sweden.
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According to Andersson, CSKA — one of the better teams in the KHL — tried to re-sign Marchenko but so far, he’s held firm on his plan to play in North America next season.

“I’m convinced he can be a very good defenseman for Grand Rapids next season and where he takes it from there, I don’t know,” Andersson said.
http://www.redwingscentral.com/2013/...wings-backman/

The Wings might have a steal in Backman it seems. I've kept and eye out on him, but never really studied him.

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http://www.redwingscentral.com/2013/...wings-backman/

The Wings might have a steal in Backman it seems. I've kept and eye out on him, but never really studied him.
I've been a big fan. That's two recent articles from RWC on him so it's obvious he's pushing his way up the prospect rankings. It's good to read the Red Wings think Marchenko will come play in Grand Rapids next year. A defense that features Ouellet, Sproul, Marchenko and possibly Jensen would be pretty bad-ass.

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I've been watching more of Bäckman and Järnkrok + some of Marchenko lately. Really like all of them, especially Bäckman who's one of my favorite DRW prospects. The news on Marchenko sounds really good, he seems determined to do anything it takes to make the NHL.

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Probably didn't hurt to have Pavel play and talk with Marchenko for half a season. AHL feels like the right step for him.

Pretty salivating group of offensive talent on the Griffins back end next season.

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Wings need to get Sproul and Marchenko NHL-ready asap... right-handed shots... imagine if they had three solid pairs all with one right-hander

Kronwall-Sproul
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Lashoff-Jensen

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http://www.redwingscentral.com/2013/...wings-backman/

The Wings might have a steal in Backman it seems. I've kept and eye out on him, but never really studied him.
The Griffins could be really good next year depending on how things play out. I don't get to watch them a lot so [those who do] feel free to correct me, but potentially:

Pulkkinen Jarnkrok Tatar
Ferraro Sheahan Jurco
Pare Aubry Hoggan
Grant Quine Parkes (Glendening)

Almqvist Lashoff
Sproul Ouellet
Marchenko Billins
Jensen

**Not sure at all about the bottom six forwards. And I think all of Tatar, Jarnkrok, and Pulkkinen have a chance at making the Wings.

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Wings need to get Sproul and Marchenko NHL-ready asap... right-handed shots... imagine if they had three solid pairs all with one right-hander

Kronwall-Sproul
Ouellet-Marchenko
Lashoff-Jensen

Or similar
You just offed Smith?

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The Griffins could be really good next year depending on how things play out. I don't get to watch them a lot so [those who do] feel free to correct me, but potentially:

Pulkkinen Jarnkrok Tatar
Ferraro Sheahan Jurco
Pare Aubry Hoggan
Grant Quine Parkes (Glendening)

Almqvist Lashoff
Sproul Ouellet
Marchenko Billins
Jensen

**Not sure at all about the bottom six forwards. And I think all of Tatar, Jarnkrok, and Pulkkinen have a chance at making the Wings.
Could live with that roster, that's for sure.. But it's getting crowded with Frk and Tvrdon, too. Tvrdon missing almost an entire year is a good bet to start in the ECHL though. Personally I think they'll walk from Pare to make room.

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Could live with that roster, that's for sure.. But it's getting crowded with Frk and Tvrdon, too. Tvrdon missing almost an entire year is a good bet to start in the ECHL though. Personally I think they'll walk from Pare to make room.
and Callahan's in there

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The Griffins could be really good next year depending on how things play out. I don't get to watch them a lot so [those who do] feel free to correct me, but potentially:

Pulkkinen Jarnkrok Tatar
Ferraro Sheahan Jurco
Pare Aubry Hoggan
Grant Quine Parkes (Glendening)

Almqvist Lashoff
Sproul Ouellet
Marchenko Billins
Jensen

**Not sure at all about the bottom six forwards. And I think all of Tatar, Jarnkrok, and Pulkkinen have a chance at making the Wings.
I'm quite sure Callahan will be in the GR lineup. He's been getting more responsibility from Blashill lately. Frk seems to be turning pro as well, Nedomlel will probably start in the ECHL. Otherwise that lineup looks extremely entertaining.

I personally think (or hope...) Järnkrok will make the Wings roster. Tatar SHOULD also make it, hoping they will let Cleary go.

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and Callahan's in there
It's a tough cookie because you want to have some veterans too. It's easy to say get rid of Hoggan, Paetsch etc. but these guys play a role. Having a top9 without a single guy over 22 is probably not the way to go.

But the Wings have a couple of spots open for next year, so barring another silly veteran depth signing we'll probably see Tatar and Calle with the Wings for most of the year and that opens up a couple of spots for GR.

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I'm quite sure Callahan will be in the GR lineup. He's been getting more responsibility from Blashill lately. Frk seems to be turning pro as well, Nedomlel will probably start in the ECHL. Otherwise that lineup looks extremely entertaining.

I personally think (or hope...) Järnkrok will make the Wings roster. Tatar SHOULD also make it, hoping they will let Cleary go.
Forgot about Callahan and Frk. Tvrdon and Nedomlel to the Walleyes to begin...

Tatar will probably be on the wings, on another NHL team, or in the KHL; even though I'd love to see him complete his two-way eligibility and put on some more pounds, he's paid his dues in full. I'm hoping Jarnkrok will go straight to the wings as well (and I think he will), but only if there is a top six spot available for him. The only other option would be to let him center the third line and slot Helm into the fourth line center spot (which would be under utilizing him IMO).

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