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01-24-2013, 12:15 PM
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i think he's only given up 2 goals which he absolutely SHOULD have had...and has made 1 ridonkulous stop. the other goals were all deflections from right in front. However, as someone who watches Henrik on a nightly basis, you're used to seeing him stop shots other goalies do not.

So it's not that he's looked bad...it's that, he hasn't looked superhuman...he's looked like your every day joe schmo goalie.

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01-25-2013, 07:05 AM
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Well this was the best game he had up until now. Some very solid saves and couldn't really do anything about the goals.

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01-25-2013, 07:27 AM
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despite the loss, he was hot last night. no team in front of him (except when they're all collapsed in front screening him leaving guys open)

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01-25-2013, 09:36 AM
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The fact that we cant score ****ing goals, ESPECIALLY ON 5-on-3s, is more of a problem than Lundqvist will ever be.

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01-25-2013, 10:31 AM
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There's a reason I've almost stopped posting on this board. We've played very rusty hockey; shoddy defense with tons of individual mistakes, tons of craptacular turnovers at the worst occasions, bad decisions, you name it, a traditional NYR PP looking like a train wreck and a toothless offense where the only guy who has created anything of worth is Rick Nash with some individual performances. No cycling, no won board battles, no hustle, no won rebounds, no screens, no nothing.

So in spite of all that, one guy one the team has actually played pretty good. Most goals have been screens and deflections. Like Horton's goal that you are whining about. If Lundqvist saw the puck, he would've saved it. Now he was late, because he couldn't see the shot in time to react properly. Nevermind that our defense practically gave away the puck to a top scorer who uncontested in a prime scoring area could fire away with the help of our own defenders screening Hank. But yeah, of course it's Hank's fault we're losing.

I guess vision is such an overrated thing in your daily lives that it's easy to forget about such trivialities.

But, of course there's a need to start a "is something wrong with Lundqvist?" thread after FOUR games, where we have 8(!) new players in the system and no chemistry. Simply because Hank hasn't been able to stop the train wreck in front of him to crash, by this team giving up a crapton of high quality scoring chances and Lundqvist hasn't stood on his head every game, on every save, regardless of the circumstances and how often he must stand on his head during 65 minutes + a shootout for us to win, like you demand him to.

You guys are so spoiled it's getting beyond ridiculous. He's a damn good goalie, not a God. If you believe he's God and demand him to be, you have issues. Every year it's the same damn thing. "What's wrong with Lundqvist, he's allowing goals (when we look at this specific time span and disregard any other factors that might weigh in, like the actual team performance and so on)?!" It's been what, 7 years now? So, is something wrong with Lundqvist? He's been the most consistent goalie in the world since he entered the league.

How many years must he be the most consistent goalie, until you can stop these ridiculous reactionary, emotional threads and stop worrying about the last player on the team you need to worry about? When he retires?


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01-25-2013, 10:39 AM
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Lundqvist was excellent last night. Neither goal was his fault, first was a fluke deflection, second was just scrambling play in the crease and poor coverage. He's getting back into form. The team lost last night's game, not Hank.

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01-25-2013, 12:16 PM
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Please. I got enough to worry about, I don't need to worry about a top 5 player in the league for no reason.

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01-25-2013, 12:37 PM
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Lundqvist, the rest of the team sucks right now though.

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01-25-2013, 12:48 PM
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He only had one bad game (where he really did suck). And three very good games. Pretty damn good for a goalie, if you ask me. I'll take him being great 3 games and having one bad game.

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01-25-2013, 12:50 PM
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Lundqvist looked like Lundqvist last night. Best thing about the game.

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01-26-2013, 12:28 AM
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What most people on this forum don't understand is its not all about how many goals he let in.

"A goalie is only as good as the team in front of him." - Mike Richter

Sure, did Henrik give up a bad goal last night? Yes...the tying goal to make it 3-3 was soft. Other then that, all goals scored on him in the first three games HAVEN'T been his fault. Deflections, missed coverages, screens, defensive breakdowns, etc etc etc have been at fault.

His game in Boston was epic, made tons of great saves, we just didn't have the play in front of him to win.

Henrik was pulled out of the home opener not because of his play, but because Torts didn't want to subject him to the ****y play that was going on in front of him.

If anything, last night against Boston at home he looked like he was fighting the puck at bit. It happens some nights, he's a human being.

We are a spoiled fan base having such a great goalie who has bailed us out of too many situations to begin to count, so when Henrik gives up a couple goals people tend to think he's slumping.

I have played goalie for 15+ years, and in some fairly competitive leagues. I know the position well, and when I go to games at the garden, and watch Henrik in warmup, I usually can tell if he will be on or off that night depending on how he looks. Any goalie will tell you the same about some nights you have it, and some nights you are fighting the puck.

A user on here said it last night, the last player on this team ANYONE needs to worry about is Hank. He is his harshest critic.

It is super early in the season, and he will only get better as the season goes on. Let's focus more on who will lead in secondary scoring, and even more importantly, fixing the anemic, ****y powerplay that still plagues us again.
From a fellow brethren of the blue paint, I totally agree.

We'd have a nice record right now if our powerplay was actually clicking somewhat. It's early yes, but this better get corrected soon.

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01-26-2013, 12:43 AM
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Hank is fine.

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01-26-2013, 07:29 PM
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Sharks fan here, I come in peace. I wasn't sure where to post this but I saw this thread and figured "where else?" lol. I wanted to just say my piece about the save on Krejci. I saw the replay and looked at it again on youtube and to me it looks like a goal because I believe you can see the puck go over the line, but I think they ruled it no goal because it was inconclusive. I think I was just seeing the dark blue on his glove after he caught it but I don't know, close call though but a great save by a great goalie. It reminds me of Nabokovs save on Richards against the Stars in the playoffs a while back, personally I prefer Nabby's but Lundqvists was amazing too haha. Good luck to you guys this season!





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01-27-2013, 11:22 PM
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You guys joking or what?

Last nights goals:

1st - deflection/Girardi screening HL trying to block
2nd - Lucic pounding away while a Bruin skates through and over HL
3rd - Bang bang play where Hagelins redirected defensive play goes right to
the stick of Horton who shoots with both Hagelin and McDonagh screening

But go ahead, get worried
I was gonna say, of the said nine goals, how many was the guy untouched in front, deflection/screen? 8?

Those who know what were saying dont need to be told, and those who dont will never get it anyway.

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There's a reason I've almost stopped posting on this board. We've played very rusty hockey; shoddy defense with tons of individual mistakes, tons of craptacular turnovers at the worst occasions, bad decisions, you name it, a traditional NYR PP looking like a train wreck and a toothless offense where the only guy who has created anything of worth is Rick Nash with some individual performances. No cycling, no won board battles, no hustle, no won rebounds, no screens, no nothing.

So in spite of all that, one guy one the team has actually played pretty good. Most goals have been screens and deflections. Like Horton's goal that you are whining about. If Lundqvist saw the puck, he would've saved it. Now he was late, because he couldn't see the shot in time to react properly. Nevermind that our defense practically gave away the puck to a top scorer who uncontested in a prime scoring area could fire away with the help of our own defenders screening Hank. But yeah, of course it's Hank's fault we're losing.

I guess vision is such an overrated thing in your daily lives that it's easy to forget about such trivialities.I

But, of course there's a need to start a "is something wrong with Lundqvist?" thread after FOUR games, where we have 8(!) new players in the system and no chemistry. Simply because Hank hasn't been able to stop the train wreck in front of him to crash, by this team giving up a crapton of high quality scoring chances and Lundqvist hasn't stood on his head every game, on every save, regardless of the circumstances and how often he must stand on his head during 65 minutes + a shootout for us to win, like you demand him to.

You guys are so spoiled it's getting beyond ridiculous. He's a damn good goalie, not a God. If you believe he's God and demand him to be, you have issues. Every year it's the same damn thing. "What's wrong with Lundqvist, he's allowing goals (when we look at this specific time span and disregard any other factors that might weigh in, like the actual team performance and so on)?!" It's been what, 7 years now? So, is something wrong with Lundqvist? He's been the most consistent goalie in the world since he entered the league.

How many years must he be the most consistent goalie, until you can stop these ridiculous reactionary, emotional threads and stop worrying about the last player on the team you need to worry about? When he retires?
Does it make me an apologist if i agree 100%

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01-28-2013, 12:03 AM
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Sharks fan here, I come in peace. I wasn't sure where to post this but I saw this thread and figured "where else?" lol. I wanted to just say my piece about the save on Krejci. I saw the replay and looked at it again on youtube and to me it looks like a goal because I believe you can see the puck go over the line, but I think they ruled it no goal because it was inconclusive. I think I was just seeing the dark blue on his glove after he caught it but I don't know, close call though but a great save by a great goalie. It reminds me of Nabokovs save on Richards against the Stars in the playoffs a while back, personally I prefer Nabby's but Lundqvists was amazing too haha. Good luck to you guys this season!




I think it was a goal but I don't think you can see the puck in. Lundqvist made a very similar save to Nabby against the same Bruins back in 08 or so. I think this save was harder because of the way he had to reach back. Here's the one he made against Boston that was similar to Nabakov's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlpWCwYfRNg

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01-28-2013, 01:42 AM
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This starts every year at every message board. People will only realize what we had in Lundqvist when he retires in 10 years and then we don't have a goalie. Maybe mike Dunham and Kevin Weekes can take over.

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01-28-2013, 12:38 PM
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Can't understand why people clamor for Hank to rest, when Brodeur is 50 years old and has played every game for the Devils

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The more I see that replay the more I think Hank actually made the save. I was originally under the impression it likely had crossed the line, even though we couldn't see that. Regardless, since there is no video evidence showing the puck ever crossed the line they made the right call.

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01-28-2013, 02:14 PM
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the last thing hank needs is to rest right now.

he needs games he needs to play as much as possible to shake the rust off. biron already got half a game in there he'll play again soon but right now hanks gotta run with it


and on the save. you can't not give that to the goalie F#%#$# OFF!

also on this subject. the blue in his glove helped him get this call too. which is another reason i'm getting sick of the white pads and have personally gone back to black. yes you maybe look a little bigger with white pads (you aren't though), but you will get quicker whistles with dark pads (ref loses sight of puck more frequently when its loose in your gear AND in terms of replays like this one the puck will blend into your gear making it way harder to see that a puck is clearly across a goal line.

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01-28-2013, 02:48 PM
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He keeps flopping like he is 50, that's for sure. Otherwise he plays like he's 25 though. Witchcraft.

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01-28-2013, 02:52 PM
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Rest him now so he can play more later on. He needs his rest and Marty needs to get a game in somewhere. Can't have him sit for a month and then throw him to the wolves.

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I dont think Hank will get rest until maybe the Feb 7th game against NYI or the 10th against the TBL for the second meeting of the year. I also support the NYR club for doing so. Make sure he is razor sharp before getting him to rest. Marty is taking a beating in rpactice and i am sure he will take a beating in his first full game of the season but as someone said before. Fatso hasnt missed a game yet.

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He's won the Ranger's MVP for 6 straight years. I can't stand it when people get on his ass over a very small stretch of bad games that are caused 99% by the team in front of him. He's not a robot and he can't save everything.

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He's won the Ranger's MVP for 6 straight years. I can't stand it when people get on his ass over a very small stretch of bad games that are caused 99% by the team in front of him. He's not a robot and he can't save everything.
This.

And TBH, I wasn't expecting a lights out performance from the man right off the bat. He didn't play competitively in Europe, he was recently married and just had a child. I'm sure his mind was elsewhere during the off season, and he simply didn't have the preparation he normally would.

Lundqvist has been so-so this season, and inconsistent at points, but he's always the last player I'll worry about on the team. If he has an off season, so be it. He hasn't had one yet in his career, and for an athlete playing as long as he has at this point, that's rare.

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