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01-29-2013, 08:07 PM
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Sit DD
Eller in his place at center
Pull Armstrong up to play on his line and have Weber replace him on the 4th

Send the msg that his performance has been sub par and more is expected

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01-29-2013, 08:22 PM
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Sit DD
Eller in his place at center
Pull Armstrong up to play on his line and have Weber replace him on the 4th

Send the msg that his performance has been sub par and more is expected
DD is putrid in this game... but so is Eller.

And it's at best idiotic to sit DD in favor of a defenceman or putting the ghost Armstrong on this line.

DD sucks, but so far there isn't much we can do.

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01-29-2013, 08:25 PM
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DD is putrid in this game... but so is Eller.

And it's at best idiotic to sit DD in favor of a defenceman or putting the ghost Armstrong on this line.

DD sucks, but so far there isn't much we can do.
Eller at C perhaps, DD on wing maybe?

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01-29-2013, 08:34 PM
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I may be misunderstanding this debate, but people are knocking Desharnais for racking up 60 pts against 'easy' minutes. But why would a coach give his top-scoring line hard minutes?

Isn't the point of line matchups to try to get your best-scoring line on the ice with the opposition's weakest line? Wouldn't that same 'easy minutes' argument apply to most teams' high-scoring lines?

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01-29-2013, 08:41 PM
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I like the guy but he's not a 1st line center. I would like to see him moved, personally.


you guys finally see my point

last year was a genie in a bottle year , Cole had his career year at 33 , DD came from nowhere , and Max had his breakout year

Like I said before he is not a front line center , and if you are going to win anything he cant be on your top 6 period ...

the future is Galchenyuk and you are seeing a very special talent at 19 before our eyes , he is #1 hands down with Pleks a solid # 2 and Eller a solid # 3 ...

Bergeron hopefully is not stupid and resigns him , a dime a dozen player , let him get some points on a crap team where he belongs so he can get his 40 + points and win nothing

he is a finesse soft player with no size , defense and no hands

like I said before he has no role on a championship team , in the last 2 cups he will not take Kopitar , Richards , Stoll , or Seguin , Bergeron and Peverley`s spot on anyones top 9 and has no game for the fourth line .

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01-29-2013, 08:43 PM
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you guys finally see my point

last year was a genie in a bottle year , Cole had his career year at 33 , DD came from nowhere , and Max had his breakout year

Like I said before he is not a front line center , and if you are going to win anything he cant be on your top 6 period ...

the future is Galchenyuk and you are seeing a very special talent at 19 before our eyes , he is #1 hands down with Pleks a solid # 2 and Eller a solid # 3 ...

Bergeron hopefully is not stupid and resigns him , a dime a dozen player , let him get some points on a crap team where he belongs so he can get his 40 + points and win nothing

he is a finesse soft player with no size , defense and no hands

like I said before he has no role on a championship team , in the last 2 cups he will not take Kopitar , Richards , Stoll , or Seguin , Bergeron and Peverley`s spot on anyones top 9 and has no game for the fourth line .
I said this last year. He can't play wing and he's not a top 6 centerman. I wanted him moved last year but I understand why the team didn't do it. It will be interesting to see what happens with him.

I don';t think he's soft, though. He's a battler, he's just too small.

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01-29-2013, 08:49 PM
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Implying that people are racists because they do not like DD is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard! The fact that you want to give a "gars de chez nous" a spot over someone more deserving is racist.
-Desharnais has elite vision... see Markov and get back to me
-Desharnais can't handle hot passes, rolls off his stick most of the time
-Desharnais has a below average shot
-Desharnais is a slow skater
-Desharnais is always one step behind the play
-Desharnais is average on face offs
-Desharnais can't play wing due to the things I listed here

Where does that leave him? Maybe a second line center in the AHL, a pp specialist who can be called up in case of injuries. But to pretend he's the number one center and we should give him 5 million$ a year over 5 years is a joke and what frustrates me the most and is the reason why I'm extra harsh with him. It is nothing personal, but I hope people can see the truth behind all this propaganda. How many times over the last 15 years we've overpaid a local guy that turned out to be busts? Calling me and some others racists because we want to see the best team possible whatever language the players and coaches speak is racist itself.
BANG ON BRO WELL PUT

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01-29-2013, 08:56 PM
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I said this last year. He can't play wing and he's not a top 6 centerman. I wanted him moved last year but I understand why the team didn't do it. It will be interesting to see what happens with him.

I don';t think he's soft, though. He's a battler, he's just too small.
he tries my friend but is grossly overmatched and battled off the puck easily

we arent talking about St.Loius here who has one of the best hand eye skills in the game who can score with the best and will reach 1000 points in a career

its time to move on and why do you think Galchy wasnt sent down , simple he proved right away he is for real , for us to a avoid losing a year of eligilbility , he has shown he will be our #1 and sooner than most think

even Gallagher has way better scoring skills than DD

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DD is putrid in this game... but so is Eller.

And it's at best idiotic to sit DD in favor of a defenceman or putting the ghost Armstrong on this line.

DD sucks, but so far there isn't much we can do.
Eller is better at center than on the wing
If DD is sucking atm, switch em up or just sit DD
Let's see what Eller can do where he's comfortable and send a message to Desharnais at the same time

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He's had a very slow start, but he's dominated every league he's played in. He's such a smart player and he's playing against far better opposition this year. He'll adapt. He always has. I have no reason to believe he can't.

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He's had a very slow start, but he's dominated every league he's played in. He's such a smart player and he's playing against far better opposition this year. He'll adapt. He always has. I have no reason to believe he can't.
Couldn't agree more. Have a bit of patience everyone.

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01-29-2013, 09:18 PM
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He's lucky Eller is mentally finished, put it that way. Cole was also putrid but a goal hides a lot.

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I thought he had a fantastic 3rd period. And maybe that bit of emotion he showed sticky up for Prusty will help him get going. Here's hoping. 3 dangerous lines would be fantastic.

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Tough to have arguments for DD. Though anybody with some good intentions, would realize that you can't go from really great last year to totally ineffective this year. It has to be a confidence issue that will probably start to kick in at some point. Not having Pac on his side, will obviously affect him though.

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He's had a very slow start, but he's dominated every league he's played in. He's such a smart player and he's playing against far better opposition this year. He'll adapt. He always has. I have no reason to believe he can't.
Not willing to write him off just yet...

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Tough to have arguments for DD. Though anybody with some good intentions, would realize that you can't go from really great last year to totally ineffective this year. It has to be a confidence issue that will probably start to kick in at some point. Not having Pac on his side, will obviously affect him though.
He have no legs this year that worry me a lot. I hope he'll pick it up but at least we have other options now!

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He's lucky Eller is mentally finished, put it that way. Cole was also putrid but a goal hides a lot.
Mentally finished?

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01-29-2013, 09:51 PM
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Mentally finished?
As soon as he made one mistake out there, he effectively disappeared. He has no role on this team and the coach has no faith in him, it's become pretty clear. Even against his favourite victim he has zero confidence.

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As soon as he made one mistake out there, he effectively disappeared. He has no role on this team and the coach has no faith in him, it's become pretty clear. Even against his favourite victim he has zero confidence.
Not sure if you're saying he's mentally weak or blaming the coaching staff.

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Eller at C perhaps, DD on wing maybe?
That's what I'd do, a simple swap between the two.

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Not sure if you're saying he's mentally weak or blaming the coaching staff.
I think he's saying that as soon as Eller screws up, he grips his stick too tight. Basically that as soon as he screws up once, his confidence is shot because management doesn't trust him and he plays worse.

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Not sure if you're saying he's mentally weak or blaming the coaching staff.
I think it's a combination of many things, but the writing is on the wall. Even today, where he got off to a decent start, he disappeared after one bad penalty and played less than 10 minutes in total. I'm expecting him to get scratched for Blunden by the weekend.

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I think he's saying that as soon as Eller screws up, he grips his stick too tight. Basically that as soon as he screws up once, his confidence is shot because management doesn't trust him and he plays worse.
Pretty much this. Eller deserves part of the blame himself of course, other players have been able to bounce back from such things but I don't think Eller knows what his role is.

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Tough to have arguments for DD. Though anybody with some good intentions, would realize that you can't go from really great last year to totally ineffective this year. It has to be a confidence issue that will probably start to kick in at some point. Not having Pac on his side, will obviously affect him though.
His buddies are not playing as well this year. DD was still losing battles along the boards last year.

I'm not going to debate if this is the real DD or last year, but I know that him centering one of the top 2 lines is not sustainable.

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