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01-30-2013, 06:28 AM
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Do we need a heavyweight enforcer...

For when we play big physical teams like the Bruins? After all, do we really want a pair of 190 pound guys to fight thugs like Chara, Lucic, Thorton, or McQuaid? Can't we sign Rosehill just to dress up in games like these?

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01-30-2013, 06:50 AM
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No. Enough already.

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Bring back Laraque! HE'S THE SOLUTION!

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I wish our forth line was more of crash and bang type line that go in there and cause Hell. We have Moen, Armstrong and White that can take care of themselves but they don't intimidate much.

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Absolutely not. We have guys that can fight AND play hockey.

Moen can scrap, Prust can scrap, White and Armstrong can scrap. You want to start a war against Boston's thugs, stick three of those four guys out there with Bouillon on the back-end.

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They can scrap but cannot fight because when they do they get beat up.

But it's early in the season.

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Why does this question keep coming back? I really don't think we do, White and Prust can do the job as required.

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I would like for us to have a goon yes.I think we have the kind of team that could really use one to the contrary of those old teams with laraque.

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01-30-2013, 07:06 AM
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When Lemaire and Risebrough were in Minnesota, they had a philosophy, you never have enough of these guys. At some point they even had three(!).

But in Montreal we somehow think the team will stop playing hockey because we have guys like these. Just because BGL was lousy at it. Because having a team of softy skaters worked so well for us in the last 15 years.

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Bring back Laraque! HE'S THE SOLUTION!
Laraque was a failure, ergo we don't need a heavyweight enforcer.

Similarly,

Gomez was a failure, ergo we don't need a 1st line offensive center.

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Tinordi will be able to fight and actually play in a few years. We're fine with the enforcer by committee for now

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When Lemaire and Risebrough were in Minnesota, they had a philosophy, you never have enough of these guys. At some point they even had three(!).

But in Montreal we somehow think the team will stop playing hockey because we have guys like these. Just because BGL was lousy at it. Because having a team of softy skaters worked so well for us in the last 15 years.
I don't think you did yourself any favours with the comparison to Minnesota. You cite Montreal's relative lack of success over the last 15 years, but why not mention Minnesota's significant failure to progress as a franchise over that same period? Lemaire and Riseborough not only failed to push the team forward at all, but their collective incompetence led to their franchise player leaving and limited progression from any bluechip prospects during their respective tenures.

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Prust has split bouts with Lucic before. Good enough for me.

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01-30-2013, 08:13 AM
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I don't see how it would hurt to have a heavyweight as the thirteenth forward. Pretty much every team in the league carries one. Whoever said Armstrong can scrap should go check out some video.

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Prust has split bouts with Lucic before. Good enough for me.
I think Prust was lucky on the first one, in all honesty, and in the second he was soundly overmatched. Lucic has progressed significantly as a fighter too. I suspect that if they fought 10 times, Lucic wins 8 or 9 times.

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I think Prust was lucky on the first one, in all honesty, and in the second he was soundly overmatched. Lucic has progressed significantly as a fighter too. I suspect that if they fought 10 times, Lucic wins 8 or 9 times.
He would over any player he chooses to fight. He fought a Goon once in Orr and lost significantly... even retreated.

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I think Prust was lucky on the first one, in all honesty, and in the second he was soundly overmatched. Lucic has progressed significantly as a fighter too. I suspect that if they fought 10 times, Lucic wins 8 or 9 times.
Probably very few men on skates can take on Lucic at this point.

The Feb 6 Habs/Bruins game is a date to circle on the calender.

It looks like the Habs can truly burn teams on the PP this year... with the emergence of the Gally's, and Diaz, the return of Markov, the resurgence of Pleks,

Insert PK and Maxpac, and get Cole warmed into mid-season form...

Impressive.

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01-30-2013, 08:26 AM
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No need for that wasted roster spot. White and Prust and even Moen can take care of that and can also play some hockey which is the most important thing

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01-30-2013, 08:29 AM
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The problem with saying "we need a goon for when we play physical teams like Boston" is two fold. First off, it means we deny a roster spot to a talent player in favour of a knuckle dragger who is severely limited in the ice time he can carry. And secondly it doesn't provide that much protection, because once one of the Bruins neutralizes our big guy and forces him to take a five minute time out the Bruins can still ice an entire line of thugs.

The thing with the Bruins is that they are built to play that gritty, beat-em-up and knock their teeth out style game. Sure they have players who are less skilled and more goonish - Thornton, Cambell and McQuaid. But they also have skilled guys who are just as physical - Lucic is a legitimate second line winger in the league, and Chara is a perennial Norris candidate. Almost everyone on that roster is willing to fight.

And there's nothing we can do about it. Frankly there's nothing we should do about it. When the Habs play the Bruins you can tell how the game is going to go by how our players react to the Bruins. If we try and prove ourselves by playing their game we get beat. If we play our game - relying on skill and drive and letting them take stupid penalties - we win.

Let's face it - there's no one in the league right now who can go out and beat Chara one on one. There's only a handful that can trade with a guy like Lucic. So why even engage in that kind of foolishness. Let them take a penalty and our PP be our revenge.

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And when we had Laraque, Lucic and Chara wanted none of it. So it was a pointless roster spot.

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You should bring up Zack Stortini? But he's like a punching bag!

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To all of you who say no because we have guys who can scrap and play hockey, well if a heavyweight a la Parros is available and has decent hockey skills , would you still pass on him ?

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lol

yes we should use a whole roster spot for 2 guys in the NHL who hardly ever fight, and when they do rarely lose.

thats good management.

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This is a pretty trite concept at this point. We've been beefing up significantly since the beginning of last season - we signed the best available grinder in Prust not 1 year ago!

I trust that Emelin will crush Looch, and the following shift Moen neutralizes the goon and that's it we go back to hockey.

I hate the Broons but it's pathetic to think we can out-muscle a team that has been building toward this and has two or three ELITE pieces for years now. We won't win that race.

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