HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > New York Islanders
Notices

These two hits are so different...

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
01-30-2013, 07:49 AM
  #1
blamebettman*
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Country: Norway
Posts: 1,948
vCash: 500
These two hits are so different...




clearly one deserves a major and a hearing with the league, the other a yawn.

And people wonder why the isles had to take things into their own hands a few years ago with Pittsburgh. It's because of THIS double standard

blamebettman* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-30-2013, 07:59 AM
  #2
kasper11
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: New York
Posts: 6,682
vCash: 500
Lets see what the league says before getting riled up. The hearing is, I believe, automatic with the major boarding penalty. And different refs are always going to see things differently.

kasper11 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-30-2013, 08:13 AM
  #3
Strummergas
Registered User
 
Strummergas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 4,335
vCash: 500
The call on the ice was the correct call last night. Any further action would be ludicrous.

Strummergas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-30-2013, 08:26 AM
  #4
Richie Daggers Crime
Fistie Daggers Crime
 
Richie Daggers Crime's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: NYI fan in Atl
Posts: 9,201
vCash: 500
I don't think it's as much a double standard as it is plain inconsistency. Some fans like to think that the league has some vendetta against their team, but let's be real.

Richie Daggers Crime is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-30-2013, 08:58 AM
  #5
kasper11
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: New York
Posts: 6,682
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie Daggers Crime View Post
I don't think it's as much a double standard as it is plain inconsistency. Some fans like to think that the league has some vendetta against their team, but let's be real.
I don't necessarily think the league has a vendetta against the Isles, but I wouldn't be shocked if "star" players were treated more leniently than 29 year old rookies.

kasper11 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-30-2013, 09:10 AM
  #6
Renbarg
Registered User
 
Renbarg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NY
Country: United States
Posts: 8,874
vCash: 500
Refs missed a call... What's the big deal?

Besides, Cmac saw the guy's numbers for much longer than Dion did JT. Cmac also drove his guy further than Dion did. Not saying the Dion didn't deserve a penalty, he did. But Cmac's hit was more egregious.

Renbarg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-30-2013, 09:14 AM
  #7
Richie Daggers Crime
Fistie Daggers Crime
 
Richie Daggers Crime's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: NYI fan in Atl
Posts: 9,201
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by kasper11 View Post
I don't necessarily think the league has a vendetta against the Isles, but I wouldn't be shocked if "star" players were treated more leniently than 29 year old rookies.
Of course. Why would anyone expect otherwise?

Richie Daggers Crime is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-30-2013, 09:20 AM
  #8
IceAce
HEY BUD, LETS PARTY!
 
IceAce's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Philadelphia
Country: United States
Posts: 2,988
vCash: 300
McDonald deserved what he got. Phaneuf should've been penalized.

IceAce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-30-2013, 10:43 AM
  #9
StrongIslanders90
Registered User
 
StrongIslanders90's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: StrongIsland
Country: United States
Posts: 13,323
vCash: 500
Dion should have got 2 min..... McDonald deserved the 5 min major....He drove him into the boards without ever trying to hold up and Lovejoy's back was turned the whole time...

StrongIslanders90 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-30-2013, 10:52 AM
  #10
ScaredStreit
Registered User
 
ScaredStreit's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 4,388
vCash: 61
Just because 1 dirty hit goes unpunished-doesn't mean that the other should as well. Mac deserves a suspension. It was careless, stupid, and above all else dangerous. A hit like that has no place in hockey.

By many people's arguments Bertuzzi got a huge slap on the wrist for breaking Moore's neck (his full season suspension was the lockout)-so therefore no dirty hits deserve suspensions? Silly argument.

ScaredStreit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-30-2013, 11:21 AM
  #11
Strummergas
Registered User
 
Strummergas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 4,335
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScaredStreit View Post
Just because 1 dirty hit goes unpunished-doesn't mean that the other should as well. Mac deserves a suspension. It was careless, stupid, and above all else dangerous. A hit like that has no place in hockey.

By many people's arguments Bertuzzi got a huge slap on the wrist for breaking Moore's neck (his full season suspension was the lockout)-so therefore no dirty hits deserve suspensions? Silly argument.
McDonald has no prior disciplinary action taken against him in either the NHL or the AHL and thankfully Lovejoy wasn't injured. It was a careless play, but there's nothing to suggest there was any malice in the action. A suspension is overly harsh in this case. If he does it again, that's a different story.

Strummergas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-30-2013, 11:37 AM
  #12
doublechili
Registered User
 
doublechili's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,408
vCash: 600
Quote:
Originally Posted by Renbarg View Post
Refs missed a call... What's the big deal?

Besides, Cmac saw the guy's numbers for much longer than Dion did JT. Cmac also drove his guy further than Dion did. Not saying the Dion didn't deserve a penalty, he did. But Cmac's hit was more egregious.
I agree. As much as it pains me to even come close to defending Phaneuf. Phaneuf took advantage of JT being in a vulnerable position. McD put Lovejoy in a vulnerable position. Big difference.

doublechili is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-30-2013, 11:41 AM
  #13
doublechili
Registered User
 
doublechili's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,408
vCash: 600
Question: do you think the NHL will/should take the shortened season into account when handing out suspensions? McD is a bad example, but say a star player, very important to his team, does something that in a full season would be worth 8 games (10% of the schedule, roughly). But 8 games in a 48 game schedule is 17% of the schedule, roughly. Should they prorate?

doublechili is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-30-2013, 11:41 AM
  #14
Fantom
Registered User
 
Fantom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 7,272
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Renbarg View Post
Refs missed a call... What's the big deal?

Besides, Cmac saw the guy's numbers for much longer than Dion did JT. Cmac also drove his guy further than Dion did. Not saying the Dion didn't deserve a penalty, he did. But Cmac's hit was more egregious.
i agree here

Fantom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-30-2013, 12:03 PM
  #15
ScaredStreit
Registered User
 
ScaredStreit's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 4,388
vCash: 61
Quote:
Originally Posted by Strummergas View Post
McDonald has no prior disciplinary action taken against him in either the NHL or the AHL and thankfully Lovejoy wasn't injured. It was a careless play, but there's nothing to suggest there was any malice in the action. A suspension is overly harsh in this case. If he does it again, that's a different story.
In all fairness if he does something like this next year let's say...you're going to hear the argument that he's never been suspended before for a dirty hit. And there is nothing to suggest that it wasn't malice though. We don't know what his intentions were-and for all we know it could have been a complete dumb mistake. But the fact is he made a stupid check (from behind), wasn't playing the puck, and put Lovejoy into a very dangerous situation. Make no mistake about it-Lovejoy could have easily gotten a concussion (or worse) form te hit. In short: we don't know Mac's intent-but if you look at the facts at what happened he endangered another player's career with an illegal hit. To me that deserves a suspension. Not a 5+ game or anything out of control like that-but a suspension nonetheless.

ScaredStreit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-30-2013, 12:56 PM
  #16
Fantom
Registered User
 
Fantom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 7,272
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScaredStreit View Post
In all fairness if he does something like this next year let's say...you're going to hear the argument that he's never been suspended before for a dirty hit. And there is nothing to suggest that it wasn't malice though. We don't know what his intentions were-and for all we know it could have been a complete dumb mistake. But the fact is he made a stupid check (from behind), wasn't playing the puck, and put Lovejoy into a very dangerous situation. Make no mistake about it-Lovejoy could have easily gotten a concussion (or worse) form te hit. In short: we don't know Mac's intent-but if you look at the facts at what happened he endangered another player's career with an illegal hit. To me that deserves a suspension. Not a 5+ game or anything out of control like that-but a suspension nonetheless.
I was thinking 2 maybe 3

Fantom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-30-2013, 01:32 PM
  #17
Strummergas
Registered User
 
Strummergas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 4,335
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScaredStreit View Post
In all fairness if he does something like this next year let's say...you're going to hear the argument that he's never been suspended before for a dirty hit. And there is nothing to suggest that it wasn't malice though. We don't know what his intentions were-and for all we know it could have been a complete dumb mistake. But the fact is he made a stupid check (from behind), wasn't playing the puck, and put Lovejoy into a very dangerous situation. Make no mistake about it-Lovejoy could have easily gotten a concussion (or worse) form te hit. In short: we don't know Mac's intent-but if you look at the facts at what happened he endangered another player's career with an illegal hit. To me that deserves a suspension. Not a 5+ game or anything out of control like that-but a suspension nonetheless.
No, but he would have already had a hearing for the same type of play at that point, so that argument wouldn't be valid the next time it happens. It's moot now anyway as he's been given 2 games. I think it's unwarranted, but if this is the way they're gonna rule on these type of hits this season, that's fine with me as long as they're going to be consistent. Why do I have a sneaking suspicion that they won't be...

Strummergas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-30-2013, 01:54 PM
  #18
A Pointed Stick
Spend? Of Course!
 
A Pointed Stick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 6,695
vCash: 500
Did the Isles ask for a review?

A Pointed Stick is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:32 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.