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View Poll Results: How long do you give Dan?
Fire him now 18 22.22%
15 games 33 40.74%
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01-30-2013, 12:45 PM
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They need to run two "A" units is what they need to do.
Yes... but then they also need the assets to run two A units. We'd need someone on the blueline to run the PP (even pretending that Letang can run one of them), and at least another forward for one of the units.

Geno, Neal, Tangradi, Martin, Letang/??
Crosby, Kunitz, Sutter?, Letang/?? Despres?

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Why not put Letang, who is a RH shot on the left boards. He is totally useless at the point because he has no shot. Teams just rush him knowing he is just gonna pass the puck.

Honestly, until DB gets his head out of his ass and puts a RH shot on the left boards this PP will be garbage and definitely not as good it could be.
No, in 2008, the Pens proved that you can run a successful PP without a RH shot. Then again, they had BOTH Gonchar and Malkin in shooting position at all times and a true net front presence in Malone.

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Maybe they don't to this because of the abuse he would take, but Crosby would be a beast down low. His hand/eye and ability to pounce on rebounds is deadly
IMO there's a difference between front of the net (where Tangradi should be over Kunitz) and down low (behind the net, roving to and from the bottom of the two circles).

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01-30-2013, 12:49 PM
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IMO there's a difference between front of the net (where Tangradi should be over Kunitz) and down low (behind the net, roving to and from the bottom of the two circles).
So that would be a 2-2-1 setup?

I don't know, that leaves you vulnerable, but desperate times and all.......

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01-30-2013, 12:50 PM
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Gretzky camped behind the net on the PP and feasted. That was before they moved the nets out.

No reason Crosby can't run the PP from back there like Gretzky did.

It puts a tremendous amount of pressure on goalies and blueliners.

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Letang is not a PP QB. DB saying in his post game presser that he is speaks volumes of his ability to run a PP.

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As per twitter, Malkin to the point. Seen this movie before. Malkin half-wall has never not been an awesome power play.

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01-30-2013, 12:53 PM
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Gretzky camped behind the net on the PP and feasted. That was before they moved the nets out.

No reason Crosby can't run the PP from back there like Gretzky did.

It puts a tremendous amount of pressure on goalies and blueliners.
No it wouldn't.

In theory, it would, however, put a tremendous amount of pressure on goalies and blueliners if the other four guys on the PP moved their feet and attacked in combination (a guy on each side streaking in simultaneously, for example).

In practice under Bylmsa . . .

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I wonder how malkin feels about all this they already took his winger off him this year and now there moving him to a spot on the pp where i believe hes said in the past he dont like to play. And this summer were also gonna ask him to less then max and take a hometown discount.

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01-30-2013, 12:55 PM
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As per twitter, Malkin to the point. Seen this movie before. Malkin half-wall has never not been an awesome power play.
Which point, left or right? On the right, he can shoot.

I will remind people: When the Pens opened the year without Gonchar and Whitney once upon a time, Geno played right point. I'd have no issue with Geno right/center point (the old Gonchar position) and Neal on the half wall (the Geno position). At least your two best shooters would be in position to shoot. Eh, doesn't matter . . . Bylsma.

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As per twitter, Malkin to the point. Seen this movie before. Malkin half-wall has never not been an awesome power play.
Haha, watch it be the left point, too.

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"Look for Malkin to slide into Neal's power play spot tomorrow."

I think this might be last year we see Malkin in Pittsburgh

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01-30-2013, 01:08 PM
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No, in 2008, the Pens proved that you can run a successful PP without a RH shot. Then again, they had BOTH Gonchar and Malkin in shooting position at all times and a true net front presence in Malone.
If they had Malone then that was the year that Crosby was hurt for a good portion of the season because of his ankle and Malkin went into ridiculous mode on the left boards.

And Whitney was on the right boards. So, yes they had an all left lineup but Whitney was at least positioned on the left wall. Just seems like that spot is left (haha) empty in the DB scheme.

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#Penguins second PP unit: Martin, Jeffrey on points with forwards Kennedy, Dupuis, Sutter.

Seth Rorabaugh ‏@emptynetters
During power play drills today, Crosby looked welded to the right half wall.

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Pens practicing power play. Looks worse than last nite

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01-30-2013, 01:17 PM
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#Penguins second PP unit: Martin, Jeffrey on points with forwards Kennedy, Dupuis, Sutter.


Is Bylsma actively trying to lose his job now?

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I wonder how malkin feels about all this they already took his winger off him this year
??? what winger did they take off of him? The one that was "Crosby's" until an injury? Or the one that they traded for for Crosby (presumably) until he got injured? I love Malkin as much as the next guy, but stop treating him like a toddler who needs to be coddled.

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Bylsma pretty well shoots down notion of splitting Crosby, Malkin onto separate power-play units. #Penguins

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But make no mistake: no forward that we would've drafted in the slots we had available, would've made this team last year or this year and therefore would not have helped this team even though they're good players with upside (see also: Bennett, who isn't far from making the team and IS a very good F talent... but just isn't ready yet after only a season or so of college hockey and a few months in WBS).
I realize that this is the Bylsma thread but for just for fun I went ahead and looked at Shero's 1-3 round drafts from 2006 to present, and this is pretty much spot on, with few exceptions. I ignored players taken in the fourth round or later -if there are top-6 guys playing now that were drafted later than that, it's clear that other teams missed on them as well, so no reason to hold it against Shero.

Obviously hindsight is 20/20 and there are no guarantees their career paths would have projected the same way. Also, I'll be the first to admit my knowledge of other teams prospect pool is not amazing, so there may be some guys I overlooked, especially in the most recent drafts. Anyway, here are the rounds, the Pens pick, and any notable forwards picked shortly afterward that would likely be an immediate fit into our top-6 this year or next:

2006
1st
Pens: 2. Jordan Staal
Other: 3. Jonathan Toews, 4. Nick Backstrom, 5. Phil Kessel, 22. Claude Giroux

2nd
Pens: 32. Carl Sneep
Other: 36. Jamie McGinn, 50. Milan Lucic, 54. Artem Anisimov

3rd
Pens: 65. Brian Strait
Other: 72. Cal Clutterbuck

2007
1st
Pens: 20. Angelo Esposito
Other: 22. Max Pacioretty, 26. David Perron

2nd
Pens: 51. Kevin Veilleux
Other: 61. Wayne Simmonds

3rd
Pens: 78. Robert Bortuzzo, 80. Casey Pierro-Zabotel
Other: 99. Matt Frattin

2008
1st
Pens: 29. Traded to ATL
Other: None

2nd
Pens: 60. Traded to TOR
Other: None

3rd
Pens: 90. Traded to NYR
Other: None

2009
1st
Pens: 30. Simon Despres
Other: 35. Kyle Clifford, 39. Jakob Silfverberg

2nd
Pens: 61. Philip Samuelsson
Other: None

3rd
Pens: 63. Ben Hanowski
Other: None

2010
1st
Pens: 20. Beau Bennett
Other: None

2nd
Pens: 50. Traded to FLA
Other: None

3rd
Pens: 80. Bryan Rust
Other: None

2011
1st
Pens: 23. Joe Morrow
Other: None

2nd
Pens: 54. Scott Harrington
Other: None

3rd
Pens: 84. Traded to PHI
Other: None

2012
1st
Pens: 8. Derrick Pouliot, 22. Olli Maatta
Other: 11. Filip Forsberg, 12. Mikhail Grigorenko

2nd
Pens: 52. Teddy Blueger
Other: None

3rd
Pens: Oskar Sundqvist
Other: None

Outside of Staal (gift wrapped) and Bennett, he's not drafted a single forward in the first 3 rounds of any draft from 2006-present that would crack our lineup today. His forward picks over that time are Esposito, Veilleux, CPZ, Hanowski, and Rust. Looking at that list, it's no wonder he has an aversion to drafting forwards.

However, 2007 is really the only year where I'd say he missed a golden opportunity to draft forwards that would be a permanent fixture in our top-6, passing up Pacioretty, Perron, and Simmonds for Esposito and Veilleux. 2012's draft is too recent to make any judgments, though with the depth we have at defense already and the dearth of quality forward prospects, Forsberg and Grigorenko look like they may have been better picks at that position - Forsberg was #1 ranked Euro skater and Grigorenko was #3 NA skater, and I think either could slot in beside Sid or Geno today.

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??? what winger did they take off of him? The one that was "Crosby's" until an injury? Or the one that they traded for for Crosby (presumably) until he got injured? I love Malkin as much as the next guy, but stop treating him like a toddler who needs to be coddled.
We have 2 superstars 1 of them is signed for the next 12 years the other one is about to go into his final year. We need to make the superstar going into his final contract year happy.

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In a way, I don't think it matters who plays where until they learn how to move around (people and pucks) and provide puck support. Bylsma is a checkers player trying to play a game of chess. His work with the PP is that ******* bad.
I thought Reirden did the Powerplay? Which always seemed strange to me, considering he was never on a first unit in his life. Then again, neither was Bylsma.

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We have 2 superstars 1 of them is signed for the next 12 years the other one is about to go into his final year. We need to make the superstar going into his final contract year happy.
Not sure if serious.

Malkin either wants to be in Pittsburgh or he doesn't. If you have to bend over backwards to make ANYONE "happy" through linemates in this situation, they don't really want to be there, and you're better off without them (I don't believe Malkin actually feels that way).

Second, Malkin has the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th best winger on the team. I guarantee you his line doesn't magically get fixed by moving this current incarnation of Kunitz onto the line.

Finally, let's assume that I'm wrong and you're right and you need to placate superstars. The message you're sending is that we'll sign you for 12 years, then once we have you tied down, we'll prioritize other people's happiness above yours?

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#Penguins second PP unit: Martin, Jeffrey on points with forwards Kennedy, Dupuis, Sutter.

Seth Rorabaugh ‏@emptynetters
During power play drills today, Crosby looked welded to the right half wall.

Joe Starkey ‏@JoeStarkey1
Pens practicing power play. Looks worse than last nite
Josh Yohe ‏@JoshYohe_Trib
Just watched Pens practice power play for 20 minutes. It was very troubling.

Joe Starkey ‏@JoeStarkey1
Pens practicing power play. Looks worse than last nite

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Just watched Pens practice power play for 20 minutes. It was very troubling.

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Pens practicing power play. Looks worse than last nite
wanna get drunk together? It's 5pm somewhere.

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One step ahead of ya...

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maybe we need to bright side this: the PP isn't bad, the PK just looks SUPER.

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