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01-30-2013, 12:39 PM
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Ryan O'Reilly to Anaheim

To Anaheim:

Ryan O'Rielly

To Colorado:

Luca Sbisa
NYI 2nd round pick

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01-30-2013, 12:42 PM
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I don't see them going for that. Seems light. Add Holland at least.

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01-30-2013, 12:43 PM
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Change the 2nd round pick to a forward prospect and I like it. As the poster above me suggested, Holland would do it.

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01-30-2013, 12:44 PM
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To Anaheim:

Ryan O'Rielly

To Colorado:

Luca Sbisa
NYI 2nd round pick
Not enough of a plus.

Sbisa + DSP would be interesting from my point of view.

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01-30-2013, 01:02 PM
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I agree with the posters above, I think unloading a prospect would be better than trading a pick. We have a lot of prospects ready or almost ready to make the jump, and not enough room for them. Sbisa + DSP would do it for me.

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I agree with the posters above, I think unloading a prospect would be better than trading a pick. We have a lot of prospects ready or almost ready to make the jump, and not enough room for them. Sbisa + DSP would do it for me.
Anybody that is more offensive than DSP that you would replace?

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01-30-2013, 01:08 PM
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I would trade Sbisa + holland/dsp for ROR, dont know your guys needs.

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01-30-2013, 01:10 PM
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Sbisa + Holland actually is a really good proposal.

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01-30-2013, 01:12 PM
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I would trade Sbisa + holland/dsp for ROR, dont know your guys needs.
I wouldn't do it for DSP, because we don't have another prospect with that skill set. Holland becomes obsolete if we're acquiring 2C, so that's is probably a better fit, for both sides.

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01-30-2013, 01:15 PM
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I wouldn't do it for DSP, because we don't have another prospect with that skill set. Holland becomes obsolete if we're acquiring 2C, so that's is probably a better fit, for both sides.
Yep and i think rakell is jumping over him as far as organization centers
Gets, Ror, Koivu, Rakell would give us a strong middle and at least 3 of them are 50+ face off guys and i think rakell will end up there to.

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Yep and i think rakell is jumping over him as far as organization centers
Gets, Ror, Koivu, Rakell would give us a strong middle and at least 3 of them are 50+ face off guys and i think rakell will end up there to.
Actually, I think coaching staff sees him as more of a #3C with a strong defensive game and some offense, whereas they see Holland as a #2C.

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01-30-2013, 01:23 PM
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Actually, I think coaching staff sees him as more of a #3C with a strong defensive game and some offense, whereas they see Holland as a #2C.
I still think rakells upside is higher then Hollands offensively, but id agree that rakell will eventually settle in a 3c spot and holland more likely a 2c.

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01-30-2013, 01:29 PM
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Sbisa + Holland/Rakell for ROR seems like a pretty fair deal to me.

IMO Holland has more upside, but I prefer Rakell as there seems to be less risk.

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01-30-2013, 01:56 PM
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Sbisa + Holland/Rakell for ROR seems like a pretty fair deal to me.

IMO Holland has more upside, but I prefer Rakell as there seems to be less risk.
I don't think we'd offer Rakell and Sbisa. He's Boudreau's favorite prospect.

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Sbisa
Bonino/Friberg/Wagner
NYI 2nd

for

ROR
5th

To me, Sbisa and a pick that will likely be in the 30-40 range is pretty close to fair value for the rights to ROR. The Ducks toss in the Avs choice of a third piece to get things moving, either a stop gap center with potential in Bonino or a decent winger prospect in Friberg or Wagner.

If the Avs insist on Sbisa+Holland, I would at least want a decent prospect back as well, maybe Sbisa+Holland+4th for ROR+Nermark+3rd. Nermark projects to be a Sami Pahlsson type, which should sell all Ducks fans on him.


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01-30-2013, 02:39 PM
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Doubt very much that the Avs would trade RoR for a young D that's never even sniffed close to 20 mins of average playing time per game. That doesn't mean he doesn't have good upside but it's still very much a risk because you don't know how good Sbisa will play when you do give him 22-25 mins per game.

Plus this kind of stuff:
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...17&postcount=2

Do your research Avs fans!

Somebody said it in another thread, 'a trade for RoR will hurt...BOTH SIDES gives up something they don't want to'.

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01-30-2013, 02:42 PM
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Sbisa has a bad start to one season, he's young, etc and everyone is itching to trade him. As a Ducks fan, I'd trade Holland, but not Sbisa.

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Doubt very much that the Avs would trade RoR for a young D that's never even sniffed close to 20 mins of average playing time per game. That doesn't mean he doesn't have good upside but it's still very much a risk because you don't know how good Sbisa will play when you do give him 22-25 mins per game.

Plus this kind of stuff:
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...17&postcount=2

Do your research Avs fans!

Somebody said it in another thread, 'a trade for RoR will hurt...BOTH SIDES gives up something they don't want to'.
So you found a post by an overreacting Ducks fan. Great. You can find a post like that for every player in this league.

Trading Sbisa does hurt.

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Sbisa has a bad start to one season, he's young, etc and everyone is itching to trade him. As a Ducks fan, I'd trade Holland, but not Sbisa.
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So you found a post by an overreacting Ducks fan. Great. You can find a post like that for every player in this league.

Trading Sbisa does hurt.
That's all fine and good and I'll admit, perhaps a bad example.

HOWEVER, Sbisa has never played more minutes that a 5th or 6th d-man on the Anaheim Ducks for his entire career. So, with that in mind, for that reason, I would pass.

2009-10 - 12:37 Avg/TOI - 8th among Defencemen
2010-11 - 16:47 Avg/TOI - 5th among Defencemen
2011-12 - 17:55 Avg/TOI - 5th among Defencemen
2012-13 - 19:08 Avg/TOI - 6th among Defencemen

That's just MY personal opinion. Perhaps the Avs and their pro scouts are extremely high on this guy and would risk it. I wouldn't. At least not until I saw him play more significant minutes and see how he handles that work load.

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Sbisa has a bad start to one season, he's young, etc and everyone is itching to trade him. As a Ducks fan, I'd trade Holland, but not Sbisa.
I know I'm definitely still high on Sbisa's potential and certainly don't think the Ducks should/would be shopping him around. But if we're looking at adding a young proven 2C, we'll have to be willing to part with something substantial. Rumour has it the Avs would want a young NHL d-man with upside and we have two of those, Fowler and Sbisa. I'd imagine you'd get the same answer from almost any Ducks fan if you asked which guy you would be more willing to part with.

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What do both sides think of Sbisa+Etem+Bonino?


I think O'Reilly for Holland+Sbisa seems fair for both sides, at least if COL is unable to sign ROR


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I personally don't want to trade Sbisa. Neither Lindholm of Vatannen has seen a game and he is one of the defenseman that can skate and hit. I won't argue he hasn't 100% figured it out yet but I think he's getting there.

I'd be fine including any of our young forwards/prospects except Etem (and that just personal bias for the local kid, not any real superior value).

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What do both teams think of O'Reilly for Sbisa+Etem+Bonino
Etem isn't going anywhere.

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That's all fine and good and I'll admit, perhaps a bad example.

HOWEVER, Sbisa has never played more minutes that a 5th or 6th d-man on the Anaheim Ducks for his entire career. So, with that in mind, for that reason, I would pass.

2009-10 - 12:37 Avg/TOI - 8th among Defencemen
2010-11 - 16:47 Avg/TOI - 5th among Defencemen
2011-12 - 17:55 Avg/TOI - 5th among Defencemen
2012-13 - 19:08 Avg/TOI - 6th among Defencemen
I like how you're not supplying any context here.

What is the ice time of the players above him?

!9:28, 19:38, and 19:55. Fowler and Beauch are the only 22 minute guys. Sbisa isn't a top pairing defenseman. If he was, we wouldn't be adding to him for a 2C.

We are rolling our lines pretty equally this year.

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If Sbisa is involved in an asking price, I pass. That's my personal opinion and what I'm trying to convey.

Holland? Sure. If the question is Fowler or Sbisa for trade, I say neither and survive without a 2nd line center for now.

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If Sbisa is involved in an asking price, I pass. That's my personal opinion and what I'm trying to convey.

Holland? Sure. If the question is Fowler or Sbisa for trade, I say neither and survive without a 2nd line center for now.
I think our management would do the same, since Sbisa's contract gives us a bit of flexibility that we won't likely get with his replacement. This is just a hypothetical, though. I also think Holland wouldn't be made available till Getzlaf's future is determined.

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