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01-29-2013, 06:36 PM
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I think playing with Nuge and Eberle is wearing off on him. He's still a bull but he plays with more hockey sense now when entering the zone.

Eberle and Nuge are going to have the same effect on their teammates over the next 5-10 years as the Sedin's have had on their teammates over the past 8'ish years

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01-29-2013, 06:53 PM
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you're out to lunch

Hall was in full beast mode last night...beating players to loose pucks, leading the rush up the ice

the puck is always going in the right direction with him on the ice
why dont you re-read what a i wrote and explicitly said that their SPEED and TENACITY make up for reckless plays where his speed on the rush turns into a turnover a majority of the time or giveaways. we could cue up about 1-3 of those a every single game on average.

go eat your own lunch. they were dominating an easy team.

if you can't see the sloppiness in his game you're just viewing the team with rose-colored glasses because they won.

ps - watched every game this season. still seeing tendencies of last year.

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01-29-2013, 07:08 PM
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if Hall would quit dangling into slot and losing puck, and instead took more shots, he would have more goals.

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01-29-2013, 07:09 PM
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his game is very sloppy and reckless. he'd probably be way sicker at about 12 points if he had control and made a few smart plays when he has momentum. he gives a lot of offensive zones away with bad decisions on rushes (skate into D or throw it into their shin pads instead of negotiating the situation with deep zone play with a little chip). the good thing is that every so often with their smarts, tenacity, speed and agility the 3 kids can regain the puck here and there on some of those "hero" moments.

and again, disclaimer: love the kid.
100% agreed. He needs to start chipping the puck in rather than turn it over at the opposition blue...I'm talking about when he's on a 1 on 3 or 1 on 2.

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01-29-2013, 07:14 PM
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Taylor is the new Sam.LOL
no matter how well he'll play, there will be snipers in the bushes ready to pounce on the slightest mistake.....zomg!he can't deke...no I.Q. derp!
That's a wee bit of an over-reaction. Nobody is "pouncing" on him, just pointing out some corrections he could make to make him a more complete player.

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01-29-2013, 07:40 PM
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if Hall would quit dangling into slot and losing puck, and instead took more shots, he would have more goals.
Maybe, but keep in mind his only goal is from dangling into the slot. He's always slow-starting, has all new equipment, and a new shoulder...give him a few more games.

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01-29-2013, 07:57 PM
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I'll be honest, I'm not crazy about Hall. I like him, but out of the 4 I think he's near the bottom. Having said that, the fact that he's putting up points while not even playing to his potential.. That's always a good sign. He puts up points, but he doesn't look sexy when he does it .. if that makes sense. When Eberle or Nuge or even Yak have the puck, it's on a string. You just feel confident with them having the puck, I don't feel that way with Hall quite yet. I'm hoping he continues his good play and feeds off his line mates.

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01-29-2013, 08:15 PM
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Maybe, but keep in mind his only goal is from dangling into the slot. He's always slow-starting, has all new equipment, and a new shoulder...give him a few more games.
actually not it wasn't... he got a pass then put it forehand and took the shot and scored. no dangling.

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01-29-2013, 08:20 PM
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Terrible hockey IQ is the only issue I have with him.

Love his compete, speed, passion, etc.
I have so many issues with this comment. He plays the game at an elite level of speed and agility. He is a young player now, wait until he hits his prime. Maybe you should consider your own hockey IQ.

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01-29-2013, 08:27 PM
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He's a bull. Relentless even though reckless

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01-30-2013, 12:02 AM
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I remember him going through a stretch, I think last year, where he did the same ol' "try to dangle the d-man" for like 7 games and then snapped out of it.

When did he fire that shot top shelf through the d-man's legs? Was that Chicago?

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01-30-2013, 12:04 AM
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The "slow down, find the trailer" move he's developed has definitely helped.
The trailer is often the most dangerous player. Same goes with basketball.

It's infuriating playing on some floor hockey teams where some of the players are so tunnel visioned that the ball MUST only go forwards, never ever backwards ever! ARGH!

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01-30-2013, 09:02 AM
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Hall has always been a criminally underrated passer and play-maker. He looks better than RNH this year in that respect, actually.

You would never know it by the people complaining ad nausea about his play in GDT's though. Some already want him run out of town.
while i think this is a stretch to say the least, i do agree that a LOT of people in the GDTs (myself included some nights) are pretty much flat-out-idiots who are posting things when their emotions are high during the game.... i pretty much ignore everything in the GDTs as a rule

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01-30-2013, 09:53 AM
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Its funny going into their draft, that Hall was considered more NHL-ready than Seguin. I've always thought the opposite was true; Seguin is a polished player with hockey sense and high-end skills. Not unlike Eberle. That'll help right from te get-go.

Hall, though, is so raw; all reckless speed and junior-league dekes. But the assets he brings are so valuable and so rare. You can't name another ten players who have the drive, the speed, the recklessness, the skill and size (I think he'll play at 210 in his prime) that #4 has. But it always takes these guys awhile to put it together, and realize when they can just bull through a defenseman and when its better to curl back and look for a play.

As Stauffer points out incessnantly; even Mess took a few years to get there. Id suggest Iginla too, a guy who was a healthy scratch a couple times when around Hall's age.

He's going to get there. Its going to be a great ride watching it happen, too.

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01-30-2013, 10:10 AM
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Just because Hall is getting assists doesnt make him a playmaker ..
Are we even watching the games? One was a 5 ft chip to Ebs on the blue line.. rest of it was all Eberle..
The other was a pass from RNH where Hall took a shot that was going a lil wide but bounced off Horc's foot.

The assist vs LA was also a shot when Yak batted in the rebound.

He is improving a little in terms of passing more but cant be considered a "playmaker" just because his stats say 1G 6A

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01-30-2013, 10:30 AM
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Taylor is using his speed more creatively and is learning to read the defenses a lot earlier than when he was a rookie, Taylor knows he doesnt need to challenge the o-zone at full speed wide every possesion, he is aware that he can use his lateral speed to beat the d-men in ways new to him.

I really see his points as being a result of his new awareness of the transition game, he and the other young Oilers are learning how to win the game one zone transition at a time and as a result they are learning to play with the gears as they go through each zone, how to undulate the pace of the possesions to look for weaknesses in the defenses in calculated micro-attacks.

As we see better zone transitions which focus on a balanced line approach east/west our tactics will push defenses back a few feet and we will gain easier o-zone entrys, we freeze the d-mans decision making when we exit the neutral zone at 75% speed with lateral numbers and good timing, no defenseman is dumb enough to let Taylor Hall catch him flatfooted with an extra gear to drop as he hits the blueline so they choose to play it safe and drop back early-- and Hall is forcing them to allow him to be a playmaker with this zone entry tactic which highlights his speed as a brandished threat more than an actual engagment, Taylor is developing Gagner tactics and they are working well for him. Taylor looked murderous gaining the o-zone with pass in mind at 3/4 speed just itching to kick it open, once he gets the d-men to freeze from the neutral zone he owns them completely, funny Hemsky never learned to use this tactic because it would be an excellent way to use Yakupov and Gagners skillsets.

Taylor has surprised me at how fast he is learning to adjust his game in an upwards evolution, he is not stubborn, if he sees someone else having sucess he is willing to change his focus and tactics on a dime, and this is making him a much better player, he is blessed with Mark Messiers learning stlye, hands on.

I still see Sam Gagner and RNH fighting for the points lead in ten more games as our 5 on 5 game develops, for us to have 5 on 5 sucess we will need to make adjustments which will support both Sam and Ryan who are creative players, Taylors offensive sucess 5 on 5 is catalysed off of RNH, this is our challenge right now, to focus on a controlled 3 transition style which is exactly where Gagner and Hall are catalysing their offense from. Gagner is managing to work within system parameters to do this and Taylor needs to wait till he is on the PP to break from his system perspective enough to make the same transitions work. When we decide to allow our team to use this controlled 3 transition style for 60 mins we will become a dominant team for those 60 mins. Taylor generates terminal offense because he isnt dumping the puck in deep at the last second as he is entering the o-zone as everyone is doing 5 on 5, he is carrying it in and properly using his zone transitions--- Kudos to Gags and Hall and hopefully soon the yoke is taken off Nuge as well and we can see him light it up. .


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01-30-2013, 11:09 AM
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Just to start off, I am a big fan of the Fab 5. So much so that I cannot decide which one is my favorite. I've got to tell you, however, that Hall's compete level is off the charts, and watching him take over games is an absolute pleasure. Watching the way he played on Monday against Colorado was a treat.

I just hate hearing people say "Hall simply doesn't have a high hockey IQ" when comparing him to other players in his class. My biggest pet peeve was just how much better of an overall player Seguin was to Hall. By the way, am I the only one that thinks Seguin is having an aweful start to the season. He only has 1g + 2a for 3 pts in 6 games, and to boot, his only goal was an empty netter.

I haven't heard a peep from the Boston faithful, or anybody else about Seguin's disappointing start thus far, especially when the experts (TSN, Sportsnet...etc) were expecting him to have a breakout year. I firmly believe that if Hall had such a terrible start, the main board would have several threads commenting on how overrated Hall is.

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01-30-2013, 11:21 AM
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Just because Hall is getting assists doesnt make him a playmaker ..
There's more than one way to make a play. Hall isn't feathering tape-to-tape saucer passes 60 feet across the ice, but he is creating goal scoring opportunities by virtue of driving the play in the right direction, using his speed to attack the zone and back off the defense. He's generating results. That's what matters.

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01-30-2013, 11:25 AM
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Just to start off, I am a big fan of the Fab 5. So much so that I cannot decide which one is my favorite. I've got to tell you, however, that Hall's compete level is off the charts, and watching him take over games is an absolute pleasure. Watching the way he played on Monday against Colorado was a treat.

I just hate hearing people say "Hall simply doesn't have a high hockey IQ" when comparing him to other players in his class. My biggest pet peeve was just how much better of an overall player Seguin was to Hall. By the way, am I the only one that thinks Seguin is having an aweful start to the season. He only has 1g + 2a for 3 pts in 6 games, and to boot, his only goal was an empty netter.

I haven't heard a peep from the Boston faithful, or anybody else about Seguin's disappointing start thus far, especially when the experts (TSN, Sportsnet...etc) were expecting him to have a breakout year. I firmly believe that if Hall had such a terrible start, the main board would have several threads commenting on how overrated Hall is.
There's a poll on the main board now about Seguin + Landeskog vs Hall + RNH... Some of the comments are just absolutely laughable.

Similar to your point about Seguin's slow start... Landeselke has now taken two huge hits with his down (Sutton, Stuart) as well as having been injured during his draft year... Why is he not being called injury-prone and overrated like Hall is?

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01-30-2013, 11:31 AM
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Just to start off, I am a big fan of the Fab 5. So much so that I cannot decide which one is my favorite. I've got to tell you, however, that Hall's compete level is off the charts, and watching him take over games is an absolute pleasure. Watching the way he played on Monday against Colorado was a treat.

I just hate hearing people say "Hall simply doesn't have a high hockey IQ" when comparing him to other players in his class. My biggest pet peeve was just how much better of an overall player Seguin was to Hall. By the way, am I the only one that thinks Seguin is having an aweful start to the season. He only has 1g + 2a for 3 pts in 6 games, and to boot, his only goal was an empty netter.

I haven't heard a peep from the Boston faithful, or anybody else about Seguin's disappointing start thus far, especially when the experts (TSN, Sportsnet...etc) were expecting him to have a breakout year. I firmly believe that if Hall had such a terrible start, the main board would have several threads commenting on how overrated Hall is.
I couldn't agree more with this. 7 pts in 5 games is a great start for him, and his best start yet. The goals will come for him - there is no doubt IMO. Didn't he even mention that he wanted to work on his setup game while playing for OKC? Looks like it's carrying over to the big show.

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There's more than one way to make a play. Hall isn't feathering tape-to-tape saucer passes 60 feet across the ice, but he is creating goal scoring opportunities by virtue of driving the play in the right direction, using his speed to attack the zone and back off the defense. He's generating results. That's what matters.
No doubt that he is generating results but I wouldnt really call it playmaking.. Generally that term is used for elite passers. Doug Weight was considered a playmaker, Guerin not so much.. Both generated results.

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Similar to your point about Seguin's slow start... Landeselke has now taken two huge hits with his down (Sutton, Stuart) as well as having been injured during his draft year... Why is he not being called injury-prone and overrated like Hall is?
Because Monday night was the first time he has ever missed a single game in the NHL??

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Because Monday night was the first time he has ever missed a single game in the NHL??
The amount of people who respond without reading first is really something.

I mean, its a messageboard... What else are you doing???

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There's a poll on the main board now about Seguin + Landeskog vs Hall + RNH... Some of the comments are just absolutely laughable.

Similar to your point about Seguin's slow start... Landeselke has now taken two huge hits with his down (Sutton, Stuart) as well as having been injured during his draft year... Why is he not being called injury-prone and overrated like Hall is?
You make a very good point here. There's not one mention of Landy's concussion, and how it's going to affect his play down the road. He is a banger type of a player, and I'd expect him to be more injury prone. I'd be curious to see what people in Colorado and Boston think of their players' performance thus far.

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You make a very good point here. There's not one mention of Landy's concussion, and how it's going to affect his play down the road. He is a banger type of a player, and I'd expect him to be more injury prone. I'd be curious to see what people in Colorado and Boston think of their players' performance thus far.
No he doesn't. Doesn't even mention Sequin and Landeskog's intangibles.

Seriously, i think Hall's gotten much better with the puck, perhaps a little more hockeysmart. And, having watched every game this season, he isn't even playing well.

i say, wait till mid-February before he starts controlling games. It's going to be good.

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