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01-30-2013, 01:39 PM
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I think Wellwood's hockey IQ saves him. One example from last night, believe it was in the 3rd (we were going from left to right), we desperately needed a change, Welly carried the puck out and approached centre ice. 99% of players would've driven the puck in without thinking but he kept cool and carried the puck in along the boards, delaying long enough for help to arrive and we managed to get a forecheck going. The type of highlight I'd expect Don Cherry to show The guy is very good in terms of not turning the puck over, being in good position, and never taking penalties. It would be hard to convince me we currently have 12 healthy forwards better than him at the cost.

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01-30-2013, 01:51 PM
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On Wellwoods deke last night I thought it was an awesome play. Price was on his side a foot in front of Welly. Extremely hard to lift the puck enough to score. Wellwood then tried to deke around him and did. If Gorges was half second later poke checking him Welly had the goal. He really showed his hands off.

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01-30-2013, 01:55 PM
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On Wellwoods deke last night I thought it was an awesome play. Price was on his side a foot in front of Welly. Extremely hard to lift the puck enough to score. Wellwood then tried to deke around him and did. If Gorges was half second later poke checking him Welly had the goal. He really showed his hands off.
I thought so as well. He wasn't going to score just by shooting at that moment. He really opened Price up.

It's just too bad Gorges made a great play.

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01-30-2013, 02:14 PM
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On Wellwoods deke last night I thought it was an awesome play. Price was on his side a foot in front of Welly. Extremely hard to lift the puck enough to score. Wellwood then tried to deke around him and did. If Gorges was half second later poke checking him Welly had the goal. He really showed his hands off.
One thing that some seem to forget: he MADE that play happen by intercepting the pass behind the net. Without that, we wouldn't be discussing his missed opportunity, which I see more as a great desperation play by Gorges. He HAD Price, and WAS going to score, if Gorges didn't throw his body across the crease.

That said: I do think Welly had a pretty invisible game for the most part yesterday. I just don't see much fault on this play.

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01-30-2013, 02:19 PM
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Wellwood is a good player & I would not get rid of him.
When he starts getting points it will be in bunches.

He is proven & got us 47 points last year.

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01-30-2013, 02:29 PM
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It sounds good but if they had it in mind from the beginning than why did he play the Jets first three games? Shouldn't his time have been spaced out a little more?
Who knows for sure, but one can always speculate. Methinks that they may given Scheif a chance in games 1-3 to surprise and prove beyond a doubt that he belonged for the whole season (Plan B).When that wasn't the case, they reverted to Plan A.
One of the things that has impressed me about the Jets management this year is that they appear to be willing to change their lines and lineup in response to performance on the ice, rather than sticking with a fixed plan. So, to bring this back to Wellwood and the OP, I am sure you will see him demoted if there is a better alternative...but, thus far, there is no convincing evidence of that.
PS-If they keep playing Clitsome, I reserve the right to retract all the nice things I said about them.

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Let's save the tossing players and coaches off the team willy-nilly for the post game call in shows, shall we? This guy's gotta go, that guy's gotta go ...

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Let's save the tossing players and coaches off the team willy-nilly for the post game call in shows, shall we? This guy's gotta go, that guy's gotta go ...
Yeah, but then how will we find a scapegoat for each time the team loses?

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Yeah, but then how will we find a scapegoat for each time the team loses?
I saw a guy at the home opener not yell TRUE NORTH, so, he's gotta go.
See Winnipegers can ALWAYS find a scapegoat.

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Let's save the tossing players and coaches off the team willy-nilly for the post game call in shows, shall we? This guy's gotta go, that guy's gotta go ...
So what would you like to discuss?

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This.

He is making a grand total of $1.6 mil this year. That's nothing. We can sit him in the press box at that price if need be.
I wish I was making 5% of that

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01-30-2013, 07:16 PM
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Points per a minute wise... only one player beat Wellwood on the Jets: Kane.

He has his weaknesses but if used correctly, he's an asset.

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01-30-2013, 07:38 PM
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Im okay with Welly but as my buddy told me at the last Jets game Im probably the only guy in the rink that thinks Welly and Antro are decent players for this season, Im okay with being the only guy who thinks that. And for what its worth, I saw the replay on that play and if Welly would have shot Price was in position to make the save.

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01-30-2013, 09:44 PM
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With a healthy lineup I look at Wellwood and see a guy who can barely skate and plays softer than my pillow.

But as soon as a top six forward gets injured, I'm grateful he's on our team as depth to admirably fill that role.

Unsung hero for that reason, and that I think we're lucky to have.

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01-30-2013, 09:59 PM
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May need to stop panicking. We're doing well and got a good start to the season. I'd be nice if we got another W in Miami and a tie in TB. We'd remain in the hunt.

I will forecast that if we slide, expect a trade. We have a lot of centres .... and teams like VCR are likely calling

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Welly will be fine.

Last game he was a little invisible but so were the majority of our forwards. However the game before that he was feeding his teammates more than his stomach at a Mandarin.

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Im okay with Welly but as my buddy told me at the last Jets game Im probably the only guy in the rink that thinks Welly and Antro are decent players for this season, Im okay with being the only guy who thinks that. And for what its worth, I saw the replay on that play and if Welly would have shot Price was in position to make the save.
You can tell your buddy he is completely wrong...plenty of people realize the immense value Antropov brings to the table...

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You can tell your buddy he is completely wrong...plenty of people realize the immense value Antropov brings to the table...
Yeah, I've really noticed the Antro love on these boards. It's good to see.

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Yeah, I've really noticed the Antro love on these boards. It's good to see.
I'm still arguing a lot on the twitter world about Antropov and Hainsey...
I even once argued with one of the a writer who shouldn't really be openly bashing Jets players IMO...

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01-30-2013, 10:57 PM
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We could do a lot worse than Wellwood as a 3rd line right winger. Be careful what you wish for. Remember how last year everyone wanted Oduya out of town. Now we have Clitsome playing in his spot.

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I do like Wellwoods play making ability at times out there.

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We could do a lot worse than Wellwood as a 3rd line right winger. Be careful what you wish for. Remember how last year everyone wanted Oduya out of town. Now we have Clitsome playing in his spot.
Not really, Postma is playing his #6 role. Clitsome is replacing Randy Jones as the #7. The Bogosian injury is what is forcing everybody to move up in roles.

Also, I don't think anybody "wanted" Oduya out. Most just realized that with his contract expiring, Jets not making playoffs, and the cost to re-sign versus role he would play (#6 versus 2-2.5million to re-up) that the best move was to trade him. Not a fit going forward. Not that we couldn't use him right now but it just wasn't going to work.

I'm still of the opinion that a Hainsey-Postma second pairing, Stuart-Redmond 3rd pairing is what we should go with, to help spread to minutes out...

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i'm still of the opinion that a hainsey-postma second pairing, stuart-redmond 3rd pairing is what we should go with, to help spread to minutes out...
please.

Edit: as in, not sarcastically. I also want this to happen.

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Not really, Postma is playing his #6 role. Clitsome is replacing Randy Jones as the #7. The Bogosian injury is what is forcing everybody to move up in roles.

Also, I don't think anybody "wanted" Oduya out. Most just realized that with his contract expiring, Jets not making playoffs, and the cost to re-sign versus role he would play (#6 versus 2-2.5million to re-up) that the best move was to trade him. Not a fit going forward. Not that we couldn't use him right now but it just wasn't going to work.

I'm still of the opinion that a Hainsey-Postma second pairing, Stuart-Redmond 3rd pairing is what we should go with, to help spread to minutes out...
I would like that too. Postma has shown some solid progression and is actually doing really well for having a guy like Clitsome on his side. It's amazing how different their stats are with only EIGHT minutes of icetime apart... I just don't think Noel will because he tends to not trust rookies... *sigh*

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Keep in mind that the top 4 minutes have been waywaywaywayway tougher than the bottom pair minutes....
Here we are in order of minutes...
NameRelQoCOZSSA/60GA/60Corsi
Byfuglien 1.616 45.6 29.6 3.34 -01.90
Enstrom 1.545 47.2 25.3 2.63 00.53
Hainsey 0.327 43.1 33.4 0.56 -20.05
Stuart 0.662 39.4 34.6 1.19 -21.46
Clitsome -2.298 63.6 31.1 5.33 01.78
Postma -2.555 64.7 25.6 2.74 13.71

Well... this makes me sad because it agrees with the eye test... Postma is doing SO much better than Clitsome... why is Noel giving (slightly) more time and (slightly) less sheltering to Clitsome... Clitsome is the weak player...
Clitsome should not be having shot/goal suppression numbers similar to Stuart and Hainsey who are buried in the Dzone...

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