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01-30-2013, 07:26 AM
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Neither team does the deal. This trade does not take into account Buffalo's needs, and ignores Montreal's desire to shed salary, to a degree. The Habs are also doing a mini-rebuild, 7 million for Vanek along with a 1st in a deep draft, a previous 1st rounder who is Francophone AND developing well, plus a player already proving he can play well in the Big Leagues is the kind of payment Bergevin will not consider at this point.

Vanek is very good. The offer is not good enough. It is far from insulting, though.

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01-30-2013, 07:29 AM
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lol @ habs fans... nough said

Galchenyuk in a Vanek trade would be more appropriate (if we ignore all team needs)

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01-30-2013, 07:34 AM
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lol @ habs fans... nough said

Galchenyuk in a Vanek trade would be more appropriate (if we ignore all team needs)
Sabres fans don't endorse this. We recognize there's no way Habs fans are giving up seven years of team control over Galchenyuk, including three at a team-friendly price, for Vanek and his cap hit for 1.5 years.

We'd love it, but know it won't happen.

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01-30-2013, 08:02 AM
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Sabres fans don't endorse this. We recognize there's no way Habs fans are giving up seven years of team control over Galchenyuk, including three at a team-friendly price, for Vanek and his cap hit for 1.5 years.

We'd love it, but know it won't happen.
Pretty much this. I have a feeling both Vanek and Pominville will re sign with the Sabres though. I don't think they're the problem in Buffalo.

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01-30-2013, 08:03 AM
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Vanek

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Gallagher
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1st in 2013
I like Vanek, but I'll keep the youth.

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01-30-2013, 08:04 AM
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lol @ habs fans... nough said

Galchenyuk in a Vanek trade would be more appropriate (if we ignore all team needs)
As a Habs fan I am not certain what I have said that deserves such laughter.

Galchenyuk is a "no, thank you" for what I hope are obvious reasons. If you don't know the reasons, and can stop laughing at me, I can explain.

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01-30-2013, 08:09 AM
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No way from the Habs. Gallagher has been great so far, Beaulieu is coming along well and we're not winning the Stanley Cup this year so why give up our 1st rounder?

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01-30-2013, 08:32 AM
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The Sabres would most probably refuse this trade and so such the Habs. We are still in a rebuilding phase and it's not because we started off the season 4-1 that we should look to move 2 of our best prospects and a 1st round pick which can still be very high since it's only been 5 games!! Relax folks!

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01-30-2013, 09:06 AM
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love vanek, but this doesn't do it for either team

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01-30-2013, 09:20 AM
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As a Buffalo fan who believes we should embrace a true rebuilding process... this is the type of deal I would look for (very good prospect + 1st rounder + sweetener)

That said, this deal doesn't include the assets I'd want... nor would trading Vanek to a division rival be acceptable

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01-30-2013, 11:20 AM
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Even without Vanek : Cap Hell next season.
Not that i want Vanek but why do you think were in cap hell next year. I know it's dropping from 70-64. Kaberle if not traded(i think he will be), can be bought out. Between Gomez and Kaberle there is 11.5 gone.

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01-30-2013, 11:52 AM
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Habs can't fit in Vanek without sending salary the other way, so it's unlikely at best.

It's also probably not enticing enough for the Sabres to trade away a player of Vanek's caliber, HOWEVER, if he's still not signed in a year's time, this deal will be the absolute best they could hope for. Something Regier will have to think about in the near future.

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01-30-2013, 12:19 PM
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haha scraps? Insulting?

Anyone talking about how "terrible" the value is, doesn't know what they're talking about.

Gallagher, while a 5th round pick, is a stud. If he wasn't so short, he would have gone MUCH higher in the draft. He tore up the WHL, and was leading the Bulldogs as a rookie. Then he makes the habs, and is a point a game so far, and one of the leaders in hits.

Beaulieu is a former first rounder, who is looking good, and will be on the habs soon.

So, essentially:

2 first round picks and top prospect for 1.5 years of an overpaid (not this year, but he hasn't been a 7+ million dollar man the last 3 years) Vanek.

Look at what other rental players like Hossa and Kovalchuk made with a year left in their deals, and you'll get a BALLPARK for what Buffalo would be looking for.

Besides the 1st rounders, the prospects didn't really pan out.

I'm not saying that Buffalo would take this trade, but I don't think Montreal would even consider it. The salary is CRAZY lopsided, and giving up soooo many future assests for 1.5 years of Vanek... not exactly rebuiding

The people who are saying it's "a first and scraps" are completely clueless, and anyone who knows ALL of the players involved in the proposal, are laughing at you.


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01-30-2013, 12:32 PM
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haha scraps? Insulting?

Anyone talking about how "terrible" the value is, doesn't know what they're talking about.

Gallagher, while a 5th round pick, is a stud. If he wasn't so short, he would have gone MUCH higher in the draft. He tore up the WHL, and was leading the Bulldogs as a rookie. Then he makes the habs, and is a point a game so far, and one of the leaders in hits.

Beaulieu is a former first rounder, who is looking good, and will be on the habs soon.

So, essentially:

2 first round picks and top prospect for 1.5 years of an overpaid (not this year, but he hasn't been a 7+ million dollar man the last 3 years) Vanek.

Look at what other rental players like Hossa and Kovalchuk made with a year left in their deals, and you'll get a BALLPARK for what Buffalo would be looking for.

Besides the 1st rounders, the prospects didn't really pan out.

I'm not saying that Buffalo would take this trade, but I don't think Montreal would even consider it. The salary is CRAZY lopsided, and giving up soooo many future assests for 1.5 years of Vanek... not exactly rebuiding

The people who are saying it's "a first and scraps" are completely clueless, and anyone who knows ALL of the players involved in the proposal, are laughing at you.
considering you would be getting 1.5 years of Vanek, vs 0.5 years of Hossa/Kovy.... the value seems pretty accurate.

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01-30-2013, 01:00 PM
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considering you would be getting 1.5 years of Vanek, vs 0.5 years of Hossa/Kovy.... the value seems pretty accurate.
I never said it was an overpayment. My main point was that the package wasn't "scraps" like some people were making it out to be.

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01-30-2013, 01:17 PM
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Habs can't fit in Vanek without sending salary the other way, so it's unlikely at best.

It's also probably not enticing enough for the Sabres to trade away a player of Vanek's caliber, HOWEVER, if he's still not signed in a year's time, this deal will be the absolute best they could hope for. Something Regier will have to think about in the near future.
In the hypothetical world of Vanek and Pommenville next year being in a walk years at that trade deadline it would turn into what you will be seeing in anaheim with Perry and Getz.

Buffalo will try to keep both, if not then they will entertain offers on one and signing the other.

Thus bidding war would ensue and they would get more than what is being offered in this trade proposal.
Maybe by next year Buffalo and Montreal would be in different conferences so they would be more open for a trade.

FYI---Buffalo doesnt appear to be in a need of Center unless its a 1-2 yr rental.

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01-30-2013, 02:07 PM
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Vanek would instantly become the best habs foward, he is one of the best sniper in the league.

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01-30-2013, 02:13 PM
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In the hypothetical world of Vanek and Pommenville next year being in a walk years at that trade deadline it would turn into what you will be seeing in anaheim with Perry and Getz.

Buffalo will try to keep both, if not then they will entertain offers on one and signing the other.

Thus bidding war would ensue and they would get more than what is being offered in this trade proposal.
I highly doubt you would get much more than this package for an upcoming UFA. Look at what Hossa and Kovalchuk got and consider that they are better players. Obviously Vanek could get more than this package now because he has another year on his contract.

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01-30-2013, 02:52 PM
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I highly doubt you would get much more than this package for an upcoming UFA. Look at what Hossa and Kovalchuk got and consider that they are better players. Obviously Vanek could get more than this package now because he has another year on his contract.
First off Vanek is better than Hossa. Vanek is more well rounded of a player than Kovalchuk.

If he was looked at being traded now Buffalo would get alot more talent that is NHL ready that they could use over what was being offered from Montreal.

His production has been off the past few seasons because of playing with injuries and the lack of a center.

Through much of 10-11 he didnt have Roy with him, and Roy still wasnt anywhere near is normal self in 11-12 after his injury.

You give him a #1 center in a non defense centric system he'd be easily a 50 goal scorer.

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01-30-2013, 02:56 PM
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First off Vanek is better than Hossa. Vanek is more well rounded of a player than Kovalchuk.

If he was looked at being traded now Buffalo would get alot more talent that is NHL ready that they could use over what was being offered from Montreal.
I think you might be in the minority thinking that Vanek is better than Hossa or Kovalchuk. In any case, I agree that Buffalo could get more now, but I don't think they could get more next year if Vanek is not signed and is an upcoming UFA.

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no from habs pov and no from buffalo pov

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First off Vanek is better than Hossa. Vanek is more well rounded of a player than Kovalchuk.

If he was looked at being traded now Buffalo would get alot more talent that is NHL ready that they could use over what was being offered from Montreal.

His production has been off the past few seasons because of playing with injuries and the lack of a center.

Through much of 10-11 he didnt have Roy with him, and Roy still wasnt anywhere near is normal self in 11-12 after his injury.

You give him a #1 center in a non defense centric system he'd be easily a 50 goal scorer.
not on this planet he's not...

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not on this planet he's not...
Go back and check their stats......

With Atlanta He was able to play a free wheeling offensive style...VaneK play in that hed get 50 goals too. In NJ his goals have dropped because of the system he plays in.

Hossa career stats arent much different than Vanel...except he got to play with a #1 center for much of it.

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Go back and check their stats......

With Atlanta He was able to play a free wheeling offensive style...VaneK play in that hed get 50 goals too. In NJ his goals have dropped because of the system he plays in.

Hossa career stats arent much different than Vanel...except he got to play with a #1 center for much of it.
Vanek's skating simply isn't good enough for him to be on par with either of those players. At times it doesn't even look like NHL caliber skating.

Hossa is an elite two way forward in this league and Kovalchuk is simply the better offensive player.

The only thing Vanek can do better than these two is his play in front of the net.

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What the hell are people talking about.

Buffalo wins this trade by a mile.

2 of Montreal's best prospects who will be very good and a first likely in top 10 if not top 5 in a great draft.

Sure Vanek has had a couple of very good games but he has been very inconsistent the past couple of years.

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