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01-30-2013, 01:14 PM
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4 teams make up 80% of the losses too
Are the 4 top profiteers Toronto, NYR, Montreal, and Vancouver?

Are the 4 top losers Phoenix, NYI, CBJ, and STL?

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01-30-2013, 01:15 PM
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I'd love for hockey to come back to Atlanta. Unfortunately I think there's a better shot of Miami getting a second team before the NHL comes to Atlanta again.

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01-30-2013, 01:23 PM
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Just my guess based on working in Seattle and Portland areas around 8 years ago.

Out off all the people I worked with (maybe 50 engineers and contractors), none of them knew anything about hockey. There was zero interest.

And the Sonics just left.

I just don't see NHL hockey being a big thing in the Pacific NW (could be wrong...?)
There is typically low interest for sports that are not in the city currently, there is lots of figures on why it would work

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I am bringing this up again.
the euro division. yes this is the future of hockey.
Moscow, Zurich,Helsinki,
Stockholm,Berlin,Minsk,Prague,Bratislava.

8 euro teams in their own division.
top 4 euro teams enter the NHL playoffs

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01-30-2013, 01:33 PM
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I am bringing this up again.
the euro division. yes this is the future of hockey.
Moscow, Zurich,Helsinki,
Stockholm,Berlin,Minsk,Prague,Bratislava.

8 euro teams in their own division.
top 4 euro teams enter the NHL playoffs
I've flown from Stockholm to Los Angeles. It's not something I would recommend doing on a regular basis.

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01-30-2013, 01:38 PM
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I am bringing this up again.
the euro division. yes this is the future of hockey.
Moscow, Zurich,Helsinki,
Stockholm,Berlin,Minsk,Prague,Bratislava.

8 euro teams in their own division.
top 4 euro teams enter the NHL playoffs
I think the KHL will expand into Western Europe long before the NHL does.

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01-30-2013, 01:50 PM
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It's pretty much the best time imaginable to expand into canada.

The countries undergoing a rather powerful direction change. It'd be important to keep hockey relevant in the country, before competition from other sports move in.

Not to mention its a very easy cash grab for the league.

It's be very desperate to move a western team from phoenix and dropping it into the eastern canada.

Also looking at the 4 conference proposal and it's dam near obvious the plan is for 32 teams. Winnipeg will be in the west next season so it's hard to imagine, this change not being followed through.

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01-30-2013, 01:53 PM
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Which usually flips to fruition, no?
Yeah, that's some great news for expansion.

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01-30-2013, 01:57 PM
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Excuse me, but the Jets ranked 16th in Revenue, in their first Season back, in which there was huge excitement to have the team again and that big push to prove that Winnipeg could be a financial success. Now, that success certain did happen, but come on... Ranked 16th in the League. It can only go down from there, sooner or later.

Winnipeg is a success, but it's just an example to show that small market teams can do okay, can survive in this League.
With the smallest arena in the league (seats number wise), and with barely 3 months to set up the business...it's a good accomplishment. I am pretty sure Jets will get more sponsor (and better) offers and will lower their expenses by a lot.

When you are on a short schedule, and need something, you don't care about the price, you want it done in time. When you got lot of time infront of you, you care about the price.

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Lance Armstrong has more credibility than Bill Daly

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01-30-2013, 02:02 PM
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I can see the need for a team in Quebec and would welcome it but I would rather see a team in Seattle before Toronto get's a second team.

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"Never had a plan for 32 teams"

That's why the proposed realigned divisions had two divisions with a team less, ready for expansion.

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While I seldom think Daly or Bettman are ever technically lying, I've become accustomed to never believe their truth.

The truth is always hidden in their message.

Very talented lawyers.

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Hamilton , Quebec City , Seattle , Houston & Kansas City in 10 years & all Markham will be left with is white elephant thats if they bulid that arena .
but it'll be such a pretty white elephant. lol

much better than our white elephant btw.. sadly if Markham does go through with there white elephant it'll move Hamilton pretty much of the list of possible locations.

but on the bright side it gives us another reason to hate Toronto

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TORONTO is a horrible sport town.
Nice joke. Toronto is the ONLY Canadian city with 3 pro teams. No other city even has 2. Toronto supports everything, from hockey, to basketball, to baseball, to UFC (only stadium show in the history of the company), to car racing, to pseudo-sports like wrestling. No other Canadian city can dream of touching Toronto when it comes to sports.


Leafs - 100% sold-out every night for decades.

Raptors - 91.1% sold-out (13th in attendance despite being a NBA laughingstock.) They get insane levels of support for being such a joke of a team. Few others cities would ever support a team

Jays - Average 26,000 fans per game. Moe fans than Chicago, Seattle, Houston, Tampa Bay, etc. Hold the all-time MLB record for most tickets sold in a season. Will be top 10 this year in tickets sold.

Soccer - TFC is top 10 in MLS attendance, despite having a joke of a team. Was impossible to get tickets a few years ago.

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Are the 4 top profiteers Toronto, NYR, Montreal, and Vancouver?

Are the 4 top losers Phoenix, NYI, CBJ, and STL?
Flyers make huge coin as well, They're always soldout and have prices higher than the league average. Who knows where the money goes but in my opinion they takie in as much or more than Vancouver.

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i can easily see the big tour promoters choosing the markham motoroladome over the acc, if only for it being an easier in-out. acc ain't that special anymore.
You couldn't be more wrong. Right in the heart of downtown Toronto vs. rinky dink Markham? Pretty easy choice for 9/10 promoters.

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While I seldom think Daly or Bettman are ever technically lying, I've become accustomed to never believe their truth.

The truth is always hidden in their message.

Very talented lawyers.
Bingo: He's revealing what he wants to be revealed in the way he wants you to hear it. Just like when they basically denied the Thrashers were moving until the day before it happened.

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Nice joke. Toronto is the ONLY Canadian city with 3 pro teams. No other city even has 2. Toronto supports everything, from hockey, to basketball, to baseball, to UFC (only stadium show in the history of the company), to car racing, to pseudo-sports like wrestling. No other Canadian city can dream of touching Toronto when it comes to sports.
Oh please, get over yourself and get your facts straight.

There are lots of Canadian cities with 2 or more pro sports teams, many have hosted UFC before, many also have/had car racing. Just because Toronto has a large population does not mean it's sports town. There is nothing significant in the events that they have, given its size compared to other cities.

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Nice joke. Toronto is the ONLY Canadian city with 3 pro teams. No other city even has 2. Toronto supports everything, from hockey, to basketball, to baseball, to UFC (only stadium show in the history of the company), to car racing, to pseudo-sports like wrestling. No other Canadian city can dream of touching Toronto when it comes to sports.


Leafs - 100% sold-out every night for decades.

Raptors - 91.1% sold-out (13th in attendance despite being a NBA laughingstock.) They get insane levels of support for being such a joke of a team. Few others cities would ever support a team

Jays - Average 26,000 fans per game. Moe fans than Chicago, Seattle, Houston, Tampa Bay, etc. Hold the all-time MLB record for most tickets sold in a season. Will be top 10 this year in tickets sold.

Soccer - TFC is top 10 in MLS attendance, despite having a joke of a team. Was impossible to get tickets a few years ago.
Montreal and Vancouver say "hai!" Hell even Hamilton, Winnipeg, Calgary, and Edmonton have 2 professional teams.

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Nice joke. Toronto is the ONLY Canadian city with 3 pro teams. No other city even has 2. Toronto supports everything, from hockey, to basketball, to baseball, to UFC (only stadium show in the history of the company), to car racing, to pseudo-sports like wrestling. No other Canadian city can dream of touching Toronto when it comes to sports.


Leafs - 100% sold-out every night for decades.

Raptors - 91.1% sold-out (13th in attendance despite being a NBA laughingstock.) They get insane levels of support for being such a joke of a team. Few others cities would ever support a team

Jays - Average 26,000 fans per game. Moe fans than Chicago, Seattle, Houston, Tampa Bay, etc. Hold the all-time MLB record for most tickets sold in a season. Will be top 10 this year in tickets sold.

Soccer - TFC is top 10 in MLS attendance, despite having a joke of a team. Was impossible to get tickets a few years ago.
i think his point is its a Leafs town, so no point putting Hockey attendance in this

Raptors, well there tied to Leafs STH, and 13th in attendance is nothing to brag about.

Jays average 26000 but thats like 25th in the league and about 50percent so.

Soccer meh. TFC still got a new smell but the shine is wearing off.

Toronto does suck, the 416 cant do it by themselves. it needs the 905

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Nice joke. Toronto is the ONLY Canadian city with 3 pro teams. No other city even has 2. Toronto supports everything, from hockey, to basketball, to baseball, to UFC (only stadium show in the history of the company), to car racing, to pseudo-sports like wrestling. No other Canadian city can dream of touching Toronto when it comes to sports.
5 if you count MLS and the CFL.

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i think his point is its a Leafs town, so no point putting Hockey attendance in this

Raptors, well there tied to Leafs STH, and 13th in attendance is nothing to brag about.

Jays average 26000 but thats like 25th in the league and about 50percent so.

Soccer meh. TFC still got a new smell but the shine is wearing off.

Toronto does suck, the 416 cant do it by themselves. it needs the 905
Never realized the air pollution was that bad in Hamilton, My god we have to help, the people there are truly losing their minds

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Oh please, get over yourself and get your facts straight.

There are lots of Canadian cities with 2 or more pro sports teams, many have hosted UFC before, many also have/had car racing. Just because Toronto has a large population does not mean it's sports town. There is nothing significant in the events that they have, given its size compared to other cities.
Nice inferiority complex you have. How about you tell me what "facts" I have to get straight?

Fact: Toronto is the ONLY Canadian city with a Major League Baseball team. Vancouver has never had one and likely never will.

Fact: Toronto is the ONLY Canadian city with a National Basketball Association team. Vancouver proved that it couldn't support the NBA and lost it's team. Don't be mad just because Toronto supports basketball and Vancouver didn't.

Fact: Toronto is the ONLY city on the planet to host a UFC stadium show. The city holds the ALL-TIME record for UFC attendance. The last UFC event in Vancouver had low ticket sales and you guys probably won't get another event for quite some time.

Fact: The Leafs have received more consistent support than the Canucks, despite the vast difference in the team records. You guys weren't coming close to selling out in the early part of the decade. Meanwhile Toronto was selling out every single game.

Fact: Toronto is the best pro sports town in Canada, bar none.

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Never realized the air pollution was that bad in Hamilton, My god we have to help, the people there are truly losing their minds
im on the escarpement, we're fine. theres concern for city dwellers down bellow though

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