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01-30-2013, 04:26 PM
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No way is the bottom six just as important as the top six.

But I do agree about Darche.
In a single, absolutely not... in a playoff run, you bet it is.

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No way is the bottom six just as important as the top six.

But I do agree about Darche.
Yes, it definitely is.

There was a noticeable difference in the Devils play last year when they had a capable bottom six they could rely on and when they did not have a bottom six. The team with the strongest bottom six usually wins it all in the postseason.

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01-30-2013, 04:28 PM
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Here's a little bit of info I'll pass your way.

The bottom 6 is just as important as our top 6. If we can roll 4 lines, we'll be giving less minutes to our top players, wich makes them better cause they aren't as fatigued from all the double shifting.

Having Cam Janssen in the lineup does absolutely nothing but ask Kovalchuk to play close to half a hour and you might say "Who cares, he's our best player, it's just a added bonus". The thing is that he won't go full speed on everyone of his shifts and it'll affect his performance in the upcoming games as well.

Darche is a serviceable bottom 6 player, just like Carter who we picked up on waivers from Florida, and you need those type of guys if you want to go far in the postseason. How many "goons" did you see in last years playoff run... and I'm not just talking about our team.

I'll take someone who can actually play the game then someone that will try and decapitate another play and miss so badly that he'll eventually dislocate his own shoulder from one of his "booming hits".
Thank you, I was just typing up something similar. It's all about rounding out your bottom 6 so we can roll 4 lines and not run Kovy into the ground. There is a reason why Darche is still around.

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01-30-2013, 04:36 PM
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Here's a little bit of info I'll pass your way.

The bottom 6 is just as important as our top 6. If we can roll 4 lines, we'll be giving less minutes to our top players, wich makes them better cause they aren't as fatigued from all the double shifting.

Having Cam Janssen in the lineup does absolutely nothing but ask Kovalchuk to play close to half hour and you might say "Who cares, he's our best player, it's a just a added bonus". The thing is that he won't go full speed on everyone of his shifts and it'll affect his performance in the upcoming games as well.

Darche is a serviceable bottom 6 player, just like Carter who we picked up on waivers from Florida, and you need those type of guys if you want to go far in the postseason. How many "goons" did you see in last years playoff run... and I'm not just talking about our team.

I'll take someone who can actually play the game then someone that will try and decapitate another play and miss so badly that he'll eventually dislocate his own shoulder from one of his "booming hits".
I'm sure DeBoer can double shift any of the other wingers as well in Janssen's spot on the 4th line if he believes Janssen is such a huge liability defensively out there. I never said that I necessarily wanted Kovalchuk to be double shifted out there in Cam's spot, but it doesn't seem to slow him down at all (I don't buy that his playing too much last season caused him to be injured in the playoffs.)

Historically, the Devils have almost never given their 4th line that much playing time in the regular season. That includes the year where they had no tough guy and missed the playoffs. They were still only averaging 7-8 minutes a game.

Not every try-out player or waiver wire pick-up is going to be Ryan Carter. Ryan Carter was also 28 when he was claimed off waivers. Darche is 36. Unless Darche is the 2nd coming of Teemu Selanne or Ray Whitney, I'll pass on having an old guy on the team. It's not like Darche has any real playoff experience either. He's a journeyman who has played on bad teams because those bad teams were the only ones willing to sign him.

Also, I never said anything about wanting Janssen playing in the playoffs. I'm glad he didn't play in the playoffs last year. I loved the line-up the Devils had during the run the Finals.

For the regular season, if the 4th line isn't going to get much playing time, I want guys who can hit and create energy and entertain me. Janssen will do that. Darche will not.

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01-30-2013, 04:37 PM
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Having Cam Janssen in the lineup does absolutely nothing but ask Kovalchuk to play close to half a hour and you might say "Who cares, he's our best player, it's just a added bonus". The thing is that he won't go full speed on everyone of his shifts and it'll affect his performance in the upcoming games as well.
Yes.

I'm much more entertained by a semi-competent hockey player who can actually play the puck with his stick and not make me cringe each time he enters the defensive zone than I am watching a maniac hurtling around the ice like a pinball for 3 minutes a game.

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01-30-2013, 04:39 PM
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Holy exaggeration batman. Who is expecting Darche to turn the Devils into bonafide contenders?

All his supporters are saying is that he would be a positive addition to the bottom six.
There are many UFA's out there who would be much better additions to the bottom six than Darche.

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01-30-2013, 04:47 PM
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I said this in the off season when the lockout was still going. That if Janssen was on the roster, but either Butler or Tedenby weren't I'd be pissed. I knew having 8 defensemen, and 13 forwards was gonna shorthand us. And yes a guy who doesn't even like Tedenby, and didn't have much faith in him even before the season started. I wanted him in the lineup over Janssen.

Mainly because Janssen is on a two way contract, and we already have another goon who isn't. I have to believe Lou told Janssen during camp ''Remember Cam you know I love you, but you're on a two way. None of our non entry level guys are. I might have to waive you and send you Albany to open up some roster space''. Cam knew what he was signing up for anyway. A two way contract.

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01-30-2013, 04:54 PM
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i think ultimately the goal is to have cbgb return to being the fourth line. this would mean that matteau and josefson would move up to the third line, and barch would sit for any games we don't really need an enforcer for. or possibly have bernier on the third line and barch play the bottom line.

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that would give matteau enough ice time to make it worth it as well as give him two good defensive players to play with if it were yayo and bernier on his line. he could also swap with zubrus for a couple shifts a game like they've been doing.
I feel like this is the most likely scenario. I know some of us want to put Henrique on the wing, and I'd honestly like to see it too. I just in no way believe that Pete or Lou will do that, and Rhode's lines here are the most likely.

Personally what I'd like to happen is a trade for the 2nd line so Clarkson could slot down to the third. Not because he has done anything wrong (far FAR from it), but it would help create so much more scoring depth for us. Puts teeth on every line.

So if Matteau is staying, is Darche just sticking around in case someone gets hurt? Lou said Status Quo on him being signed or not. Or does he take Anderson's spot if they decide to send him back down?

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01-30-2013, 04:56 PM
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There are many UFA's out there who would be much better additions to the bottom six than Darche.
Care to elaborate? Don't keep all the secrets to yourself, share... please.

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01-30-2013, 04:58 PM
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Yeah because most mid-season UFA's are so great that no one has signed one yet.

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I'm sure DeBoer can double shift any of the other wingers as well in Janssen's spot on the 4th line if he believes Janssen is such a huge liability defensively out there. I never said that I necessarily wanted Kovalchuk to be double shifted out there in Cam's spot, but it doesn't seem to slow him down at all (I don't buy that his playing too much last season caused him to be injured in the playoffs.)

Historically, the Devils have almost never given their 4th line that much playing time in the regular season. That includes the year where they had no tough guy and missed the playoffs. They were still only averaging 7-8 minutes a game.

Not every try-out player or waiver wire pick-up is going to be Ryan Carter. Ryan Carter was also 28 when he was claimed off waivers. Darche is 36. Unless Darche is the 2nd coming of Teemu Selanne or Ray Whitney, I'll pass on having an old guy on the team. It's not like Darche has any real playoff experience either. He's a journeyman who has played on bad teams because those bad teams were the only ones willing to sign him.

Also, I never said anything about wanting Janssen playing in the playoffs. I'm glad he didn't play in the playoffs last year. I loved the line-up the Devils had during the run the Finals.

For the regular season, if the 4th line isn't going to get much playing time, I want guys who can hit and create energy and entertain me. Janssen will do that. Darche will not.
So if I'm getting this straight, you'd want Janssen on our 4th over Darche during the regular season... only to remove him from our lineup come playoff time, leaving a open spot on our 4th line when we could dress Darche for the regular season AND the post season?

Now that's what I call thinking ahead

BTW, how does 3 minutes of pure nothing can get you that excited is beyond me but to each his own I guess.

P.S. Are you that same poster who was in love with Andrew Peters?

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Lose two in a row on the road in OT/SO and this board is in panic mode.

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01-30-2013, 05:09 PM
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Please sign Darche, Lou. I can't stand seeing what should be our 3rd line relegated to spot duty because one of Barch and Janssen has to be playing. CBGB is competent from a defensive standpoint, but they're not gonna bring close to the offense that our 3rd line (eventually) brought last season.


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Care to elaborate? Don't keep all the secrets to yourself, share... please.
Jason Arnott, Brad Winchester, Matt Bradley, Rod Pelley, Jason Blake (not sure if he's retired), Marco Sturm, Byron Bitz, Tom Kostopolous, etc. Petr Sykora would have been nice to have back when before he signed in Switzerland.

Ideally, I would have loved if Lou had re-signed Ponikarovsky and have someone from CBGB move down a line.

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So if I'm getting this straight, you'd want Janssen on our 4th over Darche during the regular season... only to remove him from our lineup come playoff time, leaving a open spot on our 4th line when we could dress Darche for the regular season AND the post season?

Now that's what I call thinking ahead
I don't want Darche on this team at all. He wouldn't be a significant improvement over Janssen in the grand scheme of things. I'll take any of the players listed above on either our 4th line or on our 3rd and move someone from a different line to the 4th line over having Darche.

I swear, some of you make it seem like that this Devils' team is a playoff team with Darche and isn't a playoff team with Janssen.

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01-30-2013, 05:17 PM
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that list.....

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Barch looked to be an improvement over Janssen last game. I would've rather seen Janssen fighting Thornton, but I would RATHER go a whole game without seeing either of them.

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BTW, how does 3 minutes of pure nothing can get you that excited is beyond me but to each his own I guess.

P.S. Are you that same poster who was in love with Andrew Peters?
Yup, pure nothing











http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...7hTAeJCY#t=89s





Yeah this stuff isn't entertaining or fun to watch at all.


And no, I don't like Andrew Peters nor have I ever liked him.

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I would rather have a guy with skill play than watch Janssen MAYBE fight a guy and play 3 minutes and run around like a doofus

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YouTube the Tampa game last year while you're at it (just as an example) for some of Janssen's other 'highlights', any willing big body can throw a hit, but he can't do anything else to help.

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Scott Norton ‏@NortonSportsAre #Devils fans starting to warm to newest #OldTimeHockey #NSMclient #KrysBarch?

Scotty K ‏@[email protected] Can't help but feel he'll just join the last 2 tough guys NJ signed...bought out.

Scott Norton ‏@[email protected] Guess w today's #Devils move, it doesnt look like#KrysBarch will be bought out, eh Scotty??? #NSMFamily

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What a moron. Clearly didn't have a clue what you were talking about.

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Gettin real when the youtube clips come out.

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What a moron. Clearly didn't have a clue what you were talking about.
Scary to think since he's a agent huh ?

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Where are the youtube clips of all the goals the Devils allowed while Janssen was on the ice for one of his rare shifts?

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