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01-30-2013, 03:48 PM
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PK Subban to Oilers or Wings

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01-30-2013, 03:50 PM
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He just signed

but, Subban for Franzen, B.Smith

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01-30-2013, 03:51 PM
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but, Subban for Franzen, B.Smith
Smith's not going anywhere unless it's for a franchise defenseman. Anything less and it's a lateral move. No dice.

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01-30-2013, 04:01 PM
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Paajarvi, Whitney, and 1st

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Petry straight up.

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Smith's not going anywhere unless it's for a franchise defenseman. Anything less and it's a lateral move. No dice.
Wouldn't Subban be considered a franchise defenseman? If you don't consider him one yet, I think the fact that he's still so young would bump him into that category.

That said:

Isles 2013 1st, Brock Nelson, Matt Donovan for PK and a 2nd.

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01-30-2013, 04:28 PM
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Smith's not going anywhere unless it's for a franchise defenseman. Anything less and it's a lateral move. No dice.
Subban > Smith,, easy decline from Habs

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01-30-2013, 04:30 PM
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Petry straight up.
lol

The Habs would be nuts to accept that.

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Smith's not going anywhere unless it's for a franchise defenseman. Anything less and it's a lateral move. No dice.
Smith--->Subban is not a lateral move? Good luck getting franchise dman for him though.

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01-30-2013, 04:39 PM
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The Habs just signed him, he's not available. mrinsane, please stop with the habs proposals.

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01-30-2013, 04:43 PM
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what's the point in swapping D for D straight up?

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01-30-2013, 04:47 PM
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what's the point in swapping D for D straight up?
Based on the reactions of some MTL players when PK re-signed; increase morale?

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Subban > Smith,, easy decline from Habs
Smith is severely overrated by Red Wings fans.

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Based on the reactions of some MTL players when PK re-signed; increase morale?
Maybe the players purposely kept their reactions on the tame side?

If Subban was such a drain on team morale, don't you think he would have been traded and not re-signed?

That said, Montreal management clearly stated Subban is part of the team's future. He isn't being traded anytime soon.

Mr. Insane - you've done it once again. Can't wait for your next proposal.

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01-30-2013, 05:32 PM
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Smith's not going anywhere unless it's for a franchise defenseman. Anything less and it's a lateral move. No dice.
You're overrating Smith, IMO his ceiling is a good #2 guy that can be a pseudo #1 guy on a weak D.
That being said I don't like throwing around the true #1 label unless we are talking about elite talent (Weber, Petro, Chara, Lidstrom...etc)

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Based on the reactions of some MTL players when PK re-signed; increase morale?
Yeah that article on the TSN site was pretty weird. Not the reaction you'd expect, not even the team saying the politically correct thing, more like listening to what your momma told you. "If you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything at all."

http://www.tsn.ca/story/?id=414754

The upside is they signed him to a great contract and even if there are morale problems they should get a top return for him in trade. Most likely it was some inside team joke and they were just messing with him or something but those comments came across as dead air.

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Smith--->Subban is not a lateral move? Good luck getting franchise dman for him though.
Franzen as the add to Smith while probably appropriate makes this a rather lateral move for Detroit. Wings fans are divided on Franzen, but he has led the team in goals and game winning goals the last couple of seasons and has a big playoff track record although that is starting to get questioned.

It doesn't improve the team enough to do and both teams are probably against this deal.

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01-30-2013, 05:45 PM
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Smith's not going anywhere unless it's for a franchise defenseman. Anything less and it's a lateral move. No dice.
So here is a list of acceptable players Detroit would trade Smith straight up:

Doughty
Pietrangelo
Weber
Karlsson
Phaneuf
Keith

Anything less and it's a lateral move. No dice.

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01-30-2013, 06:06 PM
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Smith is severely overrated by Red Wings fans.
So is Quincey by some.

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We should have a rule of at least a two week break discussing a player moving after his situation has been resolved.

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So here is a list of acceptable players Detroit would trade Smith straight up:

Doughty
Pietrangelo
Weber
Karlsson
Phaneuf
Keith

Anything less and it's a lateral move. No dice.
Wings don't have the assets to sniff any of those players.

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Wings don't have the assets to sniff any of those players.
They do have Smith

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We should have a rule of at least a two week break discussing a player moving after his situation has been resolved.
I second that motion.

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They do have Smith
Smith+ won't land a young top #2 defenseman. Smith is overrated.

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Zetterberg + 1st.

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