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01-30-2013, 03:26 PM
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Sir...

I like Hags as much as the next one - even got his t-shirt and his jersey...

I was thinking of last season and so far, he's as much out of position as he's in position. something he has to learn.

I want him to be an elite player, so I don't care if he's swedish or korean or whateva..

Favorite player..you mean zuke, kreider and Hags..Theire all good players..
Oh really? Because it certainly seems like you dislike Hags, and about 90% of the time when you complain about someone, it's about him.

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If Kreider is hurt, Miller should Get the call up..

Hell, send Hags down either way - he's gonna cost us points this season...like last one..
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I said it through out most of last season - Hags is horrible on the D..He looks so clueless out there...
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oh dear...Hags and his D...
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Hags and his D skills cost us AGAIN...
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Hags should be a healthy scratch next game, he looked terrified and lost out there..
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Send Hags to ahl, he's beyond horrible at the D..

He's gonna cost us plenty of points this season....
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Hags has been brutal so far this season..and I mean it in the least positive way...

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01-30-2013, 03:38 PM
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Oh really? Because it certainly seems like you dislike Hags, and about 90% of the time when you complain about someone, it's about him.
I don't believe he has Hags's "t-shirt" and "jersey". Just a hunch

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01-30-2013, 03:50 PM
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Nothing but a gnat? That's fine with me, because this team needs a player like that.

Problem here is a lot of you guys have wacky expectations. Look at Petr Prucha, for example. He clips 30G, and all of a sudden he's more valuable than Crosby.

You guys just, can't accept a good thing. It has to be 'perfect'.

If Hagelin was better offensively, or more consistent, he would have been a 1st or 2nd round pick. He's already exceeded what most players in his draft-range are expected to put up in their careers. Do a little homework and look at the % of prospects drafted as late as Hags. Most of them don't even sniff the NHL, let alone earn a top-6 role on a contending team. .
By gnat, I meant barely a consideration to the opponent but, if you like that, be my guest...

And, no, the problem isn't my wacky expectations---I would love HAGS to be a two-way 3rd liner/PK guy who can score 10-20 goals a year...The problem is, you fail to admit or realize that HAGS hasn't played any where near responisble, consistent, smart hockey for his last 40 games or so...And this means nothing about his future, I still expect him to be a fine two-way player no matter what happens this year...But, right now, I'm talkng about implications on this season......

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If Hagelin's offense never comes to fruition. Or, if he remains a streaky offensive player, he's still an extremely important player on our roster who ultimately improves our team.

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Well, if he never gains consistency and he never learns how to produce, his "importance" is lessened as is his value......and the Rangers should look for a better player even on the 3rd line...But, hey, if you like to settle for less, again, be my guest..Hopefully the Rangers won't...And/or Hopefully, they won't have to



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You can't be a great player if you're not consistent. Hagelin, isn't a great player. Only a fool expected legit top-line production out of him, especially this early on in the season.
And that's why nobody does expect top line production from him....

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01-30-2013, 03:58 PM
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This team would best be served with Hagelin a third line role, and playing a lot on the penalty kill. He's not a refined offensive player, and while his speed creates space, he doesn't have the strength to create the space that Richards or Gaborik need.

But he can score 18-23 goals, give or take, as a third liner, and he is one of the smarter, more responsible players. His dumb penalty last night aside, he's a mostly terrific decision maker and excellent positionally. He can be one of the better role players in this league, and he's a great asset. Not worried about his declining play at the end of last season. He was a rookie playing in a role he wasn't suited for.

He's an important player for this team going forward, and I look forward to seeing what this team looks like in 2-3 years with him, Callahan, and the likes of Fasth and Lindberg on the roster. That's a lot of speed, tenacity, and brain power.

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01-30-2013, 04:11 PM
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Was at the game last night, sitting near the offensive zone for the 1st and 3rd periods. Hags was absolutely flying. You could see the impact his speed had every time he was on the ice, and it was even more apparent than it is on T just how much faster he is than most other guys.

I remember one play in particular where he was near the right boards, where both of our other forwards and a couple of Flyers were digging for the puck. The puck squirted to a Flyer, who sent it around behind the net, where their dman collected it. Hags got from one side of the ice to the other so fast that the dman, who originally appeared to have all kinds of time, was pressured into a sloppy pass that we picked up again in the neutral zone. He made those kinds of plays all night.

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01-30-2013, 05:13 PM
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Was at the game last night, sitting near the offensive zone for the 1st and 3rd periods. Hags was absolutely flying. You could see the impact his speed had every time he was on the ice, and it was even more apparent than it is on T just how much faster he is than most other guys.

I remember one play in particular where he was near the right boards, where both of our other forwards and a couple of Flyers were digging for the puck. The puck squirted to a Flyer, who sent it around behind the net, where their dman collected it. Hags got from one side of the ice to the other so fast that the dman, who originally appeared to have all kinds of time, was pressured into a sloppy pass that we picked up again in the neutral zone. He made those kinds of plays all night.
I saw and noticed the same things on that play. It is his sophomore season, and he's still growing as a player, especially in consistency and patience. I thought he started doing what we saw here consistently after he took the penalty, felt really guilty, and then got yelled at by torts. His speed is a great asset and fits our team perfectly as we saw on that play. He'll get more consistent, i'm sure.

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01-30-2013, 05:42 PM
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ya he had a good game but he needs so show more because his last game that was good was back in the regular season of last year
True if your classification of good is being the best forward on the team. He played good for his first playoffs, points is not everything, as others mentioned hes a energy guys and hopefully points will come but there is nothing wrong when hes playing like last night. With reagrds to Torts thats just him making sure nothing gets to players heads. Plus he likes the attention.

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01-30-2013, 05:44 PM
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Was at the game last night, sitting near the offensive zone for the 1st and 3rd periods. Hags was absolutely flying. You could see the impact his speed had every time he was on the ice, and it was even more apparent than it is on T just how much faster he is than most other guys.

I remember one play in particular where he was near the right boards, where both of our other forwards and a couple of Flyers were digging for the puck. The puck squirted to a Flyer, who sent it around behind the net, where their dman collected it. Hags got from one side of the ice to the other so fast that the dman, who originally appeared to have all kinds of time, was pressured into a sloppy pass that we picked up again in the neutral zone. He made those kinds of plays all night.
Thats his bread and butter ive havent seen a Rangers in a long time forecheck as well as him and than be able to make a play with the puck once the turnover occurs. I mean Cally is the next guy i can think of on the current roster.

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01-30-2013, 05:46 PM
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This team would best be served with Hagelin a third line role, and playing a lot on the penalty kill. He's not a refined offensive player, and while his speed creates space, he doesn't have the strength to create the space that Richards or Gaborik need.

But he can score 18-23 goals, give or take, as a third liner, and he is one of the smarter, more responsible players. His dumb penalty last night aside, he's a mostly terrific decision maker and excellent positionally. He can be one of the better role players in this league, and he's a great asset. Not worried about his declining play at the end of last season. He was a rookie playing in a role he wasn't suited for.

He's an important player for this team going forward, and I look forward to seeing what this team looks like in 2-3 years with him, Callahan, and the likes of Fasth and Lindberg on the roster. That's a lot of speed, tenacity, and brain power.
I agree the line of Richards is fine but to say he doesent have the strength to create for Richards and Nash is false. He is not big protects pucks and creates space with his speed. He was the reason Richards and Gaborik were able to play together last year because they added him!

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01-30-2013, 05:56 PM
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I would love for the Rangers to have the offensive depth to field a bottom six of:

Hagelin - Some not named Boyle - Pyatt
Boyle - Halpern - Asham

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01-30-2013, 06:19 PM
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I would love for the Rangers to have the offensive depth to field a bottom six of:

Hagelin - Some not named Boyle - Pyatt
Boyle - Halpern - Asham
That "someone not named Boyle" better be able to stop the opposition - unless you're a stat surfer who doesnt care about that sort of thing.

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01-30-2013, 06:27 PM
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I continue to find the Boyle hate just incredibly funny. You would swear that Boyle has an alter ego that goes around insulting people and generally behaving badly in public. Does Boyle have a Tony Clifton?

Amazing.

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01-30-2013, 06:39 PM
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That "someone not named Boyle" better be able to stop the opposition - unless you're a stat surfer who doesnt care about that sort of thing.
The list of players who could be a better 3rd line center than Boyle includes, but is not limited to:

- J.T. Miller
- Jason Arnott
- Daymond Langkow
- Brendan Morrison
- Brian Rolston

edit: I guess it wasn't clear this list was sarcastic.


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Well Arnott just failed his physical so....

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The list of players who could be a better 3rd line center than Boyle includes, but is not limited to:

- J.T. Miller
- Jason Arnott
- Daymond Langkow
- Brendan Morrison
- Brian Rolston
dominic moore if he decides to play

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The rangers are running 3 lines other than the big line that virtually don't stand a chance of scoring .

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I have no first hand knowledge, but I'd bet the Rangers get calls from other teams about Hagelin frequently.

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The rangers are running 3 lines other than the big line that virtually don't stand a chance of scoring .
They scored against Philly

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Hags is getting into it. You can from it that he is getting up to his speed. Yeah tht was a stupid penalty. But he felt guilty. Learned from it. He will come around.

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By gnat, I meant barely a consideration to the opponent but, if you like that, be my guest...
A tenacious forechecker who's constantly pressuring dmen, taking the body, negating icings, and doing a lot of dirty work for his peers is barely a consideration?


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And, no, the problem isn't my wacky expectations---I would love HAGS to be a two-way 3rd liner/PK guy who can score 10-20 goals a year...The problem is, you fail to admit or realize that HAGS hasn't played any where near responisble, consistent, smart hockey for his last 40 games or so...And this means nothing about his future, I still expect him to be a fine two-way player no matter what happens this year...But, right now, I'm talkng about implications on this season......
20G scorer isn't a third-liner. Especially with Hagelin's two-way play. That's why I consider your expectations to be 'wacky'.

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Well, if he never gains consistency and he never learns how to produce, his "importance" is lessened as is his value......and the Rangers should look for a better player even on the 3rd line...But, hey, if you like to settle for less, again, be my guest..Hopefully the Rangers won't...And/or Hopefully, they won't have to

And that's why nobody does expect top line production from him....
If he doesn't develop into a consistent offensive threat, he'll be like many, many other NHL'ers in the league that are considered tweeners. Better than the average third-liner, but not quite good enough to regularly play on the 2nd.

In the end you still don't know what you're talking about. You label Hagelin as a third-liner, which is fine. I think he's a third-liner as well. You're upset he's not consistent offensively. Most third liners in the league are not consistent offensive threats. If they were they wouldn't be third ****ing liners. They would be bona fide top-6 players.

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This team would best be served with Hagelin a third line role, and playing a lot on the penalty kill. He's not a refined offensive player, and while his speed creates space, he doesn't have the strength to create the space that Richards or Gaborik need.

But he can score 18-23 goals, give or take, as a third liner, and he is one of the smarter, more responsible players. His dumb penalty last night aside, he's a mostly terrific decision maker and excellent positionally. He can be one of the better role players in this league, and he's a great asset. Not worried about his declining play at the end of last season. He was a rookie playing in a role he wasn't suited for.

He's an important player for this team going forward, and I look forward to seeing what this team looks like in 2-3 years with him, Callahan, and the likes of Fasth and Lindberg on the roster. That's a lot of speed, tenacity, and brain power.
18-23 goals is not a 3rd liner....thats a first liner for many teams. 68 players scored more than 23 goals last year...that means he's a first liner for quite a few teams. 114 players scored more than 18 goals last season. That's firm 2nd line production.

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Brian Boyle has done a tremendous job of transforming his game from 4th line to solid 3rd liner. I've got no complaints about him. He's playing well. Mike Rupp started off horribly, but his play has picked up as well, he's finally playing the boards better, making stuff happen.

Asham, he might be my favorite F/A signing from this past offseason. not much ice time, but i like what i see everytime he jumps on the ice.

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18-23 goals is not a 3rd liner....thats a first liner for many teams. 68 players scored more than 23 goals last year...that means he's a first liner for quite a few teams. 114 players scored more than 18 goals last season. That's firm 2nd line production.
Hagelin hasnt scored a goal in something like his last 34 NHL games.

I said it before and Ill say it again, I think a lot of the projections that he could be a consistent top 6 player were off base. I think hes starting to settle into a 3rd liners role. Speed, forecheck, well-schooled and defensively responsible. I dont think he has much of an offensive game.

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Hagelin hasnt scored a goal in something like his last 34 NHL games.

I said it before and Ill say it again, I think a lot of the projections that he could be a consistent top 6 player were off base. I think hes starting to settle into a 3rd liners role. Speed, forecheck, well-schooled and defensively responsible. I dont think he has much of an offensive game.
I don't think goal scoring will ever be his thing, however I do have to say that he thinks the game very quickly which is reassuring considering the speed at which he physically plays. His playmaking has been a real eye-opener for me at this level as I didn't see that part of his game in college.

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Hagelin hasnt scored a goal in something like his last 34 NHL games.

I said it before and Ill say it again, I think a lot of the projections that he could be a consistent top 6 player were off base. I think hes starting to settle into a 3rd liners role. Speed, forecheck, well-schooled and defensively responsible. I dont think he has much of an offensive game.
I think he does a tremendous job of setting up other players. he causes turnovers, he gets pucks to where they need to go, and its up to the other players around him to put the pucks in the net. if youre playign with Boyle and Rupp or something, youre not going to get many points that way.

Regarding goal scoring. I think the jury is out, but im leaning towards semi agreeing with you, and semi disagreeing.

I think ideally he's suited for a 3rd line role if put with the right players, for example, if you could put together a trio of say Hagelin, Miller, and Callahan....3 guys who can play both sides of the puck, who can forecheck, etc. he could be extremely effective. put him with no thumb bums...and...well


the part i disagree though is that, i think Hagelin is the kinda guy you can put on a top line, and he wouldn't look out of place. Put him with a Richards and Gaborik, and he'll still be an effective player and compliment the 2 skilled guys by doing the dirty work. Kinda like the way Pascal Dupuis floats all over the lineup. He puts up so many points playing with Crosby, but they can also throw him out there on a 3rd or 4th line and he's still productive.

I think Hagelin can be our Dupuis...

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