For 75% of the people in this thread, the "kick him while he's down" thread can be found here. It would be greatly appreciated if you could keep the schadenfreude over there.
For the other 25%, this thread wasn't started by a Caps fan. We're not looking to move him. So all the asinine "this is all I'd be willing to offer" posts... not really necessary. The "value" that should be up for discussion is the value of the return necessary for the Caps to trade Ovie, because for the time being he's still valued as a superstar and any offer that doesn't reflect that is a waste of time.
The thing with Ovie is his value drops every single game. A little slump is one thing, a bad season is another thing, a couple bad seasons is entirely different. It is sad to say, because he is damn fun to watch, but Ovie is on the down swing of his career.
As a Habs fan I would not pay what The Caps would demand for this guy. He is becoming too much of a gamble.
My offer would be.........*gulp*...........Subban, Eller and this years 1st. That's about all I would part with for this Ovie. Obviously the Ovie of 2007 would be astronomically higher.
They dont throw them out because they know nobody wants him on that contract.
Yeah, that's why they regularly appear to flame proposals for Lecavalier by fans of other teams.
Blaming Ovechkin for the team's woes and not the fact that it's horrible constructed and trading him for less than value as a result would set up back a decade. I can understand at least doing it if the GM knows what he's doing with the return, but knowing McPhee he'd get a bunch of grinders, soft skilled players and picks that he'd hoard and we'd simply have more average players being put in positions to fail.
We don't throw them out because we love our Captain. He makes up for his diminished performance with leadership.
Actually, **** talking ovi aside, that may not be a bad model for Ovi to follow. He's not going to win the rocket or art ross again, so he should become a mentor and real emotional leader with a good two way game. He may not put up the numbers, but he could still help turn Washington into a winner.
Fair enough, ill amend my post.
Nobody outside of Tampa wants him on that contract.
Ovechkin is turning into quite a gamble right now for any team, even the Capitals.
In two relatively healthy full seasons he hasn't gone over 40g, and he is off to another slow start (but so is all of Washington). Yes, he still produced quite a few points, and definitely cored a ton of goals, but his production is lagging far behind his cap hit right now and his contract has a LOT of years left on it. Combine that with his lack of interest in back checking (his coach was benching him in key situations last year in the playoffs) and you have a potential disaster on your hands.
Ovi is most likely sticking with Washington, for better or worse, till that deal is done
Could Caps make a serious return if they dealt him? Or is he worth way more than any return would bring?
it depends on how much of his salarie your willing to take on. If you can take at least 3 million of his caphit i could see a good return but 9 million + your not geting many takers and then ur not going to get anything desent back
You would think he would be traded to the west in order he doesnt play against the caps and haunt them 6 times a year. With the league looking to blance out the teams him going to the red wings while a decent possiblity they will likely end up in the east at some point. It would also open the jets to a possibllity but i cant see them paying 9 million + As to who would be interested i could see ducks kings oliers nashville coyates all being interested.
Between his plummeting production, astronomical salary, and the fact that he is still the face of their franchise, he's not moving anytime soon. And to the poster that suggested Pittsburgh, um.. what? Its well known that OV and Crosby really dislike each other. Not to mention, do you really see a team having 3 players making about 27 million on a cap that is about to drop (assuming Washington didnt retain a huge chumk of his cap) ? Negatory.
Something similar to the Nash deal I'd guess. Top-6 FWD, 2nd/3rd line tweener, blue chip D prospect, high round pick.
Ovi+Ward to Pittsburgh for Kunitz, Kennedy, Despres, 1st. Caps keep 3M and Pens add a 3rd.
Don't think the pens would offer anything CLOSE to that. They would have over 40% of next years cap tied to Crosby, Malkin and Ovie. Couple that with ovie's declining production and you have the makings of a guy who doesn't fit on the Pens.