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01-30-2013, 09:41 PM
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Seriously.

On one thread, MAK called Phillips-Volchenkov a legit 1st pair, despite their lack of offence, then in another thread says Methot is a 4-5 guy because he lacks offence.

Admitting he's wrong is not one of MAK's strong suits. Expect more of the same.
Methot is not at their level. OK, Methot is #4, Hjalmarsson style.

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Karlsson would have at least 10 points now if his D partner could actually shoot the puck.


Prime Phillips > Methot. offensively and defensively

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01-30-2013, 09:45 PM
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Can't wait till Methot has the inevitable bad game and a certain someone proclaims they were right all along.

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01-30-2013, 09:45 PM
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Only saw the 2nd hlf of the game but I was impressed by Benoit tonight... Since we're really banged up right now, I'm fine with him out there. Boro, Wiercioch and Benoit can play at this level but need to be well coached. No problem here

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Andy is the best goalie in the NHL right now. Hands down.
Best goalie (however I'm not sure it can last all season), best D-man, best coach (I'm starting to think this). Greatest depht too I think

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I feel like Paul MacLean deserves HUGE props for that.
And Andy. Two pieces that if we were missing, we'd look like a rebuilding team, IMO
Well, to me, when we struggled the most (well, the only times we struggled in the last 15 years) in 2008-09 and 2010-11, we had awful goaltending and coaching

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We are at the moment a two man show team = EK & Mister Anderson

The rest looks like an AHL team with a super system and coach.

We're not that good without the 2man show
Ok... so guys like Spezza, Michalek, Alfredsson, Turris, Gonchar, Methot... are AHL material?

What the? It's clear that our 3 impact players are Karlsson, Spezza and Anderson... I've been saying that for a while. You'd need to be pretty much new to hockey to not see it. But it doesn't make our other contributors bad. Turris is PPG, Methot has been a rock, Gonchar has been efficient, Michalek has made a lot of good plays, Zibanejad has been impressive in his only 2 games, Silfverberg has been good in some games, and our depht guys have been awesome for the most part

And of course when a team miss their 1st line center, their forward lines don't look as good

Finally, show me a team that would be as good without their 2 biggest impact players... I don't get those statements : it's like saying the Penguins are really not the same team without Crosby and Malkin... Isn't obvious?

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I count 3 right now : Spezza, Cowen and Gonchar.

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01-30-2013, 09:45 PM
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Interesting fact:

Craig Anderson has not allowed a goal in the second period, third period or overtime so far this season.

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01-30-2013, 09:48 PM
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love our depth. no gonch, no cowen, no spezza... no problem!

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01-30-2013, 09:50 PM
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Karlsson would have at least 10 points now if his D partner could actually shoot the puck.


Prime Phillips > Methot. offensively and defensively
Has anyone actually argued with you on the Phillips - Meth comparison?

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01-30-2013, 09:52 PM
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Has anyone actually argued with you on the Phillips - Meth comparison?
He is the best concealed troll on these boards I must commend him.

He makes me laugh though so I personally don't mind him.

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Has anyone actually argued with you on the Phillips - Meth comparison?
I mentioned Phillips' puck handling

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01-30-2013, 09:55 PM
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Easy game. Montreal isn't going anywhere this season. Let's see how this team does against somebody other than a SE team or Montrelol.

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Has anyone actually argued with you on the Phillips - Meth comparison?
Bonk and Wasted. Say I'm a hypocrite calling Phillips and Volch #2 guys, but Methot a #4.


Well, both Volch and Phill were top 10 D defensively imo.

In 2006-07, the were a combined +73, but had a combined 45 points. Considering they played against #1 lines all the time, that's ridiculous. So good defensively. They were the top pair on the Cup finalist team too.

Methot doesn't touch them imo. Even offensively.

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01-30-2013, 09:56 PM
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Loved the win.

One thing I would look to change is that 2nd line, every line had a goal this game except for that line.

Silfverberg looks like hes carrying that line all by himself.

I would take Regin out, call up Dacosta and replace Latendresse with Daugavins.

Daugavins- DaCosta- Silfverberg

Can Dacosta be really as bad as Regin has been this season, the play dies soon as the puck hits his stick, hes not hurting the team but hes also not helping when 2nd line needs to score too.

Thats if Spezza cant go this weekend.

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He is the best concealed troll on these boards I must commend him.

He makes me laugh though so I personally don't mind him.
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01-30-2013, 09:59 PM
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I'd like to know how many km Karlsson skates per game then compare that to average. He's just non stop end to end

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Favorite part of the game was Turris talking to ref at the faceoff dot, then when it's faceoff time, he gets thrown out.

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01-30-2013, 10:08 PM
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Favorite part of the game was Turris talking to ref at the faceoff dot, then when it's faceoff time, he gets thrown out.
My favourite part was when we scored all those goals.

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Leave Mandy alone!

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Methot hasn't really been good lately.
Oh my heavens.



It has begun.

Are you Fuhr's little brother? You seem to have a lot of agendas too...

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Bonk and Wasted. Say I'm a hypocrite calling Phillips and Volch #2 guys, but Methot a #4.
Well, in my defence, I'm calling you a hypocrite because to call Phillips a 1st pair defenceman in his heyday requires a lot of subjective thinking. The stats themselves don't prove it.

I mean, when we debated the Phillips-Volchenkov 1st pair thing, you used the '07 playoff run as your example, right? Well, go back and look at the stats: Methot's stats right now look WAY better than Phillips '07 playoffs in almost every discernable way. Methot has more points in fewer games. Averages more TOI. Averages more hits. Statistically, they are at worst equal, at best Methot gets the edge... yet almost every Sens fan will tell you that '07 Phillips is better than '12 Methot. And I'd probably agree with them. The only discernible way to tell would be subjective evidence.

Yet... when talking about OTHER guys, in proposals and whatnot, you refuse to use almost any subjectivity, and dispute the use of subjective evidence when used by other people: the whole of your arguments are tied up in a stat of some sort.

So yeah: I think the complaint is valid.

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Kouleas and Mcclenan throwing around a lot of praise for the Sens right now on TH2N. Talking about Anderson for the Hart, Zibanejad's first of many etc. Nice to see some positivity surround this team on a national stage for once.


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OK, maybe I worded it badly. ''not good'' is apparently confusing



You guys are right, he hasn't been bad. But I certainly haven't been wowed by him, and in no way should he be the long term solution as Karlsson's partner

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We're going to have a serious goalie controversy on our hands soon.

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01-30-2013, 10:13 PM
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Loved the win.

One thing I would look to change is that 2nd line, every line had a goal this game except for that line.

Silfverberg looks like hes carrying that line all by himself.

I would take Regin out, call up Dacosta and replace Latendresse with Daugavins.

Daugavins- DaCosta- Silfverberg

Can Dacosta be really as bad as Regin has been this season, the play dies soon as the puck hits his stick, hes not hurting the team but hes also not helping when 2nd line needs to score too.

Thats if Spezza cant go this weekend.
Da Costa should absolutely get called up to center the 2nd line while spezz is out. He at least deserves a look.

Regin gets chance after chance based on.......I don't know......

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Well, in my defence, I'm calling you a hypocrite because to call Phillips a 1st pair defenceman in his heyday requires a lot of subjective thinking. The stats themselves don't prove it.

I mean, when we debated the Phillips-Volchenkov 1st pair thing, you used the '07 playoff run as your example, right? Well, go back and look at the stats: Methot's stats right now look WAY better than Phillips '07 playoffs in almost every discernable way. Methot has more points in fewer games. Averages more TOI. Averages more hits. Statistically, they are at worst equal, at best Methot gets the edge... yet almost every Sens fan will tell you that '07 Phillips is better than '12 Methot. And I'd probably agree with them. The only discernible way to tell would be subjective evidence.

Yet... when talking about OTHER guys, in proposals and whatnot, you refuse to use almost any subjectivity, and dispute the use of subjective evidence when used by other people: the whole of your arguments are tied up in a stat of some sort.

So yeah: I think the complaint is valid.
In my fairness we don't have the advance stats for the '07 playoffs.


Also, Erik Karlsson. VERY nice stat booster

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OK, maybe I worded it badly. ''not good'' is apparently confusing



You guys are right, he hasn't been bad. But I certainly haven't been wowed by him, and in no way should he be the long term solution as Karlsson's partner
No one else thinks that here or anywhere. Should give you something to ponder.

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