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01-31-2013, 11:56 AM
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He's so bad this year, everybody knows it.

Watching him get shut down by some random D-mens like Wiercioch, Borowiecki, Kostka, Postma ect ect...........ugh MT is so patient with him.

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01-31-2013, 11:57 AM
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It's no wonder almost all good free agents want nothing to do with Montreal or Toronto. Top coaches or GMs for the matter. The number of loud and neurotic "fans" who trash a center who essentially tied for the team in most points and almost had the best +/- on the team last year on the basis of six games, changed linemates and no training camp is unreal. I can only imagine the clamor if he went 10 games with two assists

Since 1986, two of the wealthiest and most storied franchises have a whopping one Stanley Cup between them. That's 50 years of opportunity for those who are counting. 38 years combined since the last Cup. When players get turned on after an incredibly small sample and under conditions which have changed for them, other players, coaches and managers look at that and shake their heads.

Enjoy your history. That's about all you'll have with the unbelievable childish attitudes that such a significant number of the fans have. The Cup will probably be skated around the ice one of the hockey meccas of Nashville or Columbus before it does again in Toronto or Montreal.

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01-31-2013, 12:06 PM
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It's no wonder almost all good free agents want nothing to do with Montreal or Toronto. Top coaches or GMs for the matter. The number of loud and neurotic "fans" who trash a center who essentially tied for the team in most points and almost had the best +/- on the team last year on the basis of six games, changed linemates and no training camp is unreal. I can only imagine the clamor if he went 10 games with two assists

Since 1986, two of the wealthiest and most storied franchises have a whopping one Stanley Cup between them. That's 50 years of opportunity for those who are counting. 38 years combined since the last Cup. When players get turned on after an incredibly small sample and under conditions which have changed for them, other players, coaches and managers look at that and shake their heads.

Enjoy your history. That's about all you'll have with the unbelievable childish attitudes that such a significant number of the fans have. The Cup will probably be skated around the ice one of the hockey meccas of Nashville or Columbus before it does again in Toronto or Montreal.
While I agree with your sentiments...Nashville and Columbus winning the cup before Toronto or Montreal is hog wash Wouldn't matter if neither Toronto or the Habs win a cup in another 50 yrs, Nashville nor Columbus won't be in the league long enough to get a cup

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01-31-2013, 12:18 PM
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It's no wonder almost all good free agents want nothing to do with Montreal or Toronto. Top coaches or GMs for the matter. The number of loud and neurotic "fans" who trash a center who essentially tied for the team in most points and almost had the best +/- on the team last year on the basis of six games, changed linemates and no training camp is unreal. I can only imagine the clamor if he went 10 games with two assists

Since 1986, two of the wealthiest and most storied franchises have a whopping one Stanley Cup between them. That's 50 years of opportunity for those who are counting. 38 years combined since the last Cup. When players get turned on after an incredibly small sample and under conditions which have changed for them, other players, coaches and managers look at that and shake their heads.

Enjoy your history. That's about all you'll have with the unbelievable childish attitudes that such a significant number of the fans have. The Cup will probably be skated around the ice one of the hockey meccas of Nashville or Columbus before it does again in Toronto or Montreal.
Fear from the fans and management made this team a championship one, learn your history.

And you could add the rest of the Canadians team to your post, losing to 'hocey meccas' like Tampa and Anaheim! Must be their angry fans!

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01-31-2013, 12:44 PM
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He's so bad this year, everybody knows it.

Watching him get shut down by some random D-mens like Wiercioch, Borowiecki, Kostka, Postma ect ect...........ugh MT is so patient with him.
I haven't seen too many NHL coaches benching top liners so far this year, not sure how MT is "patient" , it's just common sense which a lot of this fanbase seem to lack.

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01-31-2013, 01:23 PM
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his timing seems off, like he always think he has more time and space than he actually has. it'll come back.

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And to think of how many were ready to deal Pleks, because we didn't need him any more with DD as the number 1. Laughable then, even more so now.

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01-31-2013, 01:35 PM
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his timing seems off, like he always think he has more time and space than he actually has. it'll come back.
I agree with you. His brain is still playing on the big ice surface in Europe and his body is in N.A with a lot less time and space available to make plays. He's also playing now against the other team's best defensive lines and shutdown defensemen. When Pacioretty and Cole start drive the net harder, it should open up the middle for DD. He's really holding onto the stick too tightly but he'll come around.

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01-31-2013, 03:02 PM
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Next game they should put the three struggling guys together

Armstrong-DD-Cole

and hope for the best.


Eller should play center with Moen and White/Blunden and be used on PK more often.


Leave the two other lines as is.

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01-31-2013, 03:19 PM
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Last year:

Eller = 16 goals
DD = 16 goals

Eller got a lot less ice-time than DD....and no powerplay like DD

44 passes against 12 in favor of DD.

Now we know one thing.....placed in the same situation of Eller was last year, DD would not have made any better.

Now we excuses DD of not producing and being terrible on the ice....cause Cole has a slow start and Pacioretty is out....and a guy which have never played a match on the wings before slow things down.

And what about Eller last year???

Played with Blunden - Moen - Darche - Palushaj - Leblanc and Kostitsyn.
Only one is playing (poorly) in the NHL.
This is worst than the linesmate DD got right now

That were the linesmates of Eller last year.

There's no excuses for DD......

There's no reason not to try Eller at center with good linesmate.
NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.

The best linesmate Eller got....was Kostitsyn....and it works!!

Eller got a bad start???

Would you be motivated if you knew that DD and Plek are in front of you.....and to see the incredible 18 years old center Galchenyuk making the team....of course not!

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01-31-2013, 03:25 PM
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W need to try eller as a top six center, otherwiae we will never know.

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01-31-2013, 04:28 PM
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You can see now by the way that Desharnais is playing that he is lacking confidence and thinking way too much.

I think he will be fine but he has to have something go right for him first. As long as he keeps working hard, and avoids lazy penalties, I have patience for him.

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01-31-2013, 05:15 PM
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Last year:

Eller = 16 goals
DD = 16 goals

Eller got a lot less ice-time than DD....and no powerplay like DD

44 passes against 12 in favor of DD.

Now we know one thing.....placed in the same situation of Eller was last year, DD would not have made any better.

Now we excuses DD of not producing and being terrible on the ice....cause Cole has a slow start and Pacioretty is out....and a guy which have never played a match on the wings before slow things down.

And what about Eller last year???

Played with Blunden - Moen - Darche - Palushaj - Leblanc and Kostitsyn.
Only one is playing (poorly) in the NHL.
This is worst than the linesmate DD got right now

That were the linesmates of Eller last year.

There's no excuses for DD......

There's no reason not to try Eller at center with good linesmate.
NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.

The best linesmate Eller got....was Kostitsyn....and it works!!

Eller got a bad start???

Would you be motivated if you knew that DD and Plek are in front of you.....and to see the incredible 18 years old center Galchenyuk making the team....of course not!
Umm...have people already forgotten that DD started on the bottom two lines and without 1st/2nd line wingers?
Have they also forgotten that he has produced no matter where he was in the line up? And that Eller really hasn't up to this point?
Or that Eller has played quite a bit more NHL games than DD?
Some people make it sound as if DD came into the NHL playing with Patches and Cole while Eller has only played with scrubs.
Fact of the matter is DD started at the bottom and has moved up the ranks and stole the 1st line duties.
It wasn't 'given' to him.
Sorry, last years DD would most likely have produced even with the wingers Eller has played with during the last two years (well, produced more than Eller in any case).

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He's so bad this year, everybody knows it.

Watching him get shut down by some random D-mens like Wiercioch, Borowiecki, Kostka, Postma ect ect...........ugh MT is so patient with him.
I know, Therrien should be benching the top scoring center from last season 6 games into this particular season. Ridiculous MT, ridiculous.

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Patch- Eller - Cole could be an interesting line.

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And to think of how many were ready to deal Pleks, because we didn't need him any more with DD as the number 1. Laughable then, even more so now.
Actually, the idea of trading Plekanec is more related to asset management than to make room for Desharnais, especially with the emergence of Galchenyuk.

I mean, some people want to trade DD now. All of those consider Plekanec the better player -- some even consider Eller to be the better player at the moment.

But which will give a better return? Plekanec or DD?

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Last year:

Eller = 16 goals
DD = 16 goals

Eller got a lot less ice-time than DD....and no powerplay like DD

44 passes against 12 in favor of DD.

Now we know one thing.....placed in the same situation of Eller was last year, DD would not have made any better.

Now we excuses DD of not producing and being terrible on the ice....cause Cole has a slow start and Pacioretty is out....and a guy which have never played a match on the wings before slow things down.

And what about Eller last year???

Played with Blunden - Moen - Darche - Palushaj - Leblanc and Kostitsyn.
Only one is playing (poorly) in the NHL.
This is worst than the linesmate DD got right now

That were the linesmates of Eller last year.

There's no excuses for DD......

There's no reason not to try Eller at center with good linesmate.
NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.

The best linesmate Eller got....was Kostitsyn....and it works!!

Eller got a bad start???

Would you be motivated if you knew that DD and Plek are in front of you.....and to see the incredible 18 years old center Galchenyuk making the team....of course not!
DD, in a situation similar to Eller in 10-11, played (or certainly produced) better than Eller.

Actually, Eller played with a better player (Kostitsyn) than DD did (that player was Pouliot or Darche, depending which version of Pouliot showed up).

That's the problem with people who want to drop DD on the depth chart : they would actually prefer to "raise" Eller in the depth chart, even though he played worst since the beginning of the season...

Eller fanbois, I told you.

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01-31-2013, 05:42 PM
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DD, in a situation similar to Eller in 10-11, played (or certainly produced) better than Eller.

Actually, Eller played with a better player (Kostitsyn) than DD did (that player was Pouliot or Darche, depending which version of Pouliot showed up).

That's the problem with people who want to drop DD on the depth chart : they would actually prefer to "raise" Eller in the depth chart, even though he played worst since the beginning of the season...

Eller fanbois, I told you.
Desharnais never played in a similar role as Eller, back then Gomez was still competent enough to match up against top 6 players, especially when playing with Pacioretty. Desharnais and Pouliot were actually playing the role the Gallys are this year during that run.

"Desharnais fanbois, I told you."

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Actually, the idea of trading Plekanec is more related to asset management than to make room for Desharnais, especially with the emergence of Galchenyuk.

I mean, some people want to trade DD now. All of those consider Plekanec the better player -- some even consider Eller to be the better player at the moment.

But which will give a better return? Plekanec or DD?
The problem is neither Eller or Desharnais is as good as Plekanec on either end of the ice, and trading Plekanec now because we have an 18 year old center on the team only serves one purpose, to tank.

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This said, I'd like to see Cole / DD / Moen for a while.

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Desharnais never played in a similar role as Eller, back then Gomez was still competent enough to match up against top 6 players, especially when playing with Pacioretty. Desharnais and Pouliot were actually playing the role the Gallys are this year during that run.

"Desharnais fanbois, I told you."
In 2010-2011?

DD played the same role (well, similar depth chart spot) than Eller in 2011-12.

And he produced better than Eller did.

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In 2010-2011?

DD played the same role (well, similar depth chart spot) than Eller in 2011-12.

And he produced better than Eller did.
Not the same role. 'Depth chart spot' is irrelevant.

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In 2010-2011?

DD played the same role (well, similar depth chart spot) than Eller in 2011-12.

And he produced better than Eller did.
Only in the sense that they were called the "3rd line" by commentators and the media, while Eller played above average defensive minutes and Desharnais' version of a third line was a soft matchup scoring line.

Desharnais also received limited, but notable power play time in 10/11 relative to Eller in 11/12 - in fact, DD played 20 more PP minutes than Eller in half as many games, while playing significantly less on the PK - last year Eller was only behind the Plekanec line and the Subban/Gorges pairing in PK minutes, Desharnais played less PK minutes than any regular in 10/11.

Really, the only thing their roles had in common was TOI in general. You can argue that this is because the coaches saw more in Desharnais offensively to give him an exploitation role like that (and his results were pretty good in it), but comparing DD and Eller based on stats really isn't fair.

A better comparison for Desharnais in 10/11 is Galchenyuk right now.


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Not the same role. 'Depth chart spot' is irrelevant.
I was first quoting the "being put in the same position than Eller" comment.

IF DD was ever in the same position than LE (11-12), that was 10-11.

I'm not the one that actually brought up the point.

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It's no wonder almost all good free agents want nothing to do with Montreal or Toronto. Top coaches or GMs for the matter. The number of loud and neurotic "fans" who trash a center who essentially tied for the team in most points and almost had the best +/- on the team last year on the basis of six games, changed linemates and no training camp is unreal. I can only imagine the clamor if he went 10 games with two assists

Since 1986, two of the wealthiest and most storied franchises have a whopping one Stanley Cup between them. That's 50 years of opportunity for those who are counting. 38 years combined since the last Cup. When players get turned on after an incredibly small sample and under conditions which have changed for them, other players, coaches and managers look at that and shake their heads.

Enjoy your history. That's about all you'll have with the unbelievable childish attitudes that such a significant number of the fans have. The Cup will probably be skated around the ice one of the hockey meccas of Nashville or Columbus before it does again in Toronto or Montreal.
What's the point of this post? So we aren't allowed to discuss a struggling player now? A player that has 1 whopping full season in the NHL? Seriously? Get off your high horse.

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I hope they scratch DD and give eller a top six centre role this would be the perfect time for eller to show us what he can do at the centre position. Scratching DD would hopefully send him a message and wake him up.

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