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01-31-2013, 11:59 AM
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There is too much to keep track of in here...what is Today Status on...

- Is the arena a done deal at this point? As in they're breaking ground?
- Is there anywhere (realistic) for the team to play until the arena is ready?

 
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01-31-2013, 12:16 PM
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There is too much to keep track of in here...what is Today Status on...

- Is the arena a done deal at this point? As in they're breaking ground?
- Is there anywhere (realistic) for the team to play until the arena is ready?
No, they have not yet broken down, but they have a prelim design and location set. I think they have funding established, too.

If memory serves, if Seattle gets an NHL and/or NBA team before the new arena's done, KeyArena would be used. It'd be like an old Barclays Center, so hardly the best way to start out with a hockey franchise, tbqh, but better than nothing.

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For what it's worth, Forbes figures the Coyotes will end up in Seattle, http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozan...n-falls-apart/.

From an NHL point of view, I can see that happening. The reasons why Seattle should have an NHL team have been debated, plus the NHL could make more money on a Quebec City & Toronto II/Southern Ontario expansion teams.

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01-31-2013, 01:50 PM
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For what it's worth, Forbes figures the Coyotes will end up in Seattle, http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozan...n-falls-apart/.

From an NHL point of view, I can see that happening. The reasons why Seattle should have an NHL team have been debated, plus the NHL could make more money on a Quebec City & Toronto II/Southern Ontario expansion teams.
So NHL moves the team themselves?

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01-31-2013, 01:52 PM
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There is too much to keep track of in here...what is Today Status on...

- Is the arena a done deal at this point? As in they're breaking ground?
- Is there anywhere (realistic) for the team to play until the arena is ready?
From what i have heard its still going through design review, Master permit will be done in April, the economic review done in April, Environmental review done in June and shovel meets ground around october/november/december.

NBA vote on sale/relocation apirl 19th. 30m non-refund goes into affect tomorrow.

Arena agreement states NHL has to play in Key Arena.


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I made these boring ones that I love. Most don't.

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Not bad! Works for me

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@ChrisDaniels5: Don Levin on whether he still wants to own #Seattle NHL Franchise: "Certainly, yes, willing to do anything."

@ChrisDaniels5: Levin reaffirmed that Key Arena would work as temporary NHL home. "Couple years yes, been done in worse places." Referenced Cow Palace.

http://www.king5.com/news/arena/Pros...189257421.html

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I would love having the future team's third jersey in the mold of the current Blackhawk third, or the Senators third, though they would be green, red, and white like the old metropolitans. I think these two jerseys are the best in the league by far imo. I don't know how it would look if say the black was replaced by a green color. It might be too busy and flashy, but its worth a try. Maybe even switch the black for white, and the white for green.




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Well if you're going to go back that far then Vancouver has a cup too.
No Team named the Vancouver Canucks has won a Stanley cup.

The Vancouver Millionaires won.

A team called the Seattle Metropolitans has won a cup.

The Ottawa Senators as we know them haven't won a cup, but a team by that name has won one, so they count it as a technicality.

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01-31-2013, 04:38 PM
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There is too much to keep track of in here...what is Today Status on...

- Is the arena a done deal at this point? As in they're breaking ground?
- Is there anywhere (realistic) for the team to play until the arena is ready?
I live in the Seattle-Tacoma area......

They have a few arena options until the new arena is done:

1. Key arena---a big problem is in the mid 90s as a way to keep Seattle they internally gutted it changing all the seating sight lines in the stadium to a basketball only design thus it doesnt have a good capacity for hockey and poor sightlines but it can handle hockey in the short term

2. Portland rose Garden---they can do hockey games for the short term. I see a team being here permanently having some of their game in Portland.

3. They can rotate among small arenas currently used by WHL teams in Everett and Kent but these arenas are small (<10,000) and similarly they could do games in spokane as well to market the team.

4. The Tacoma dome could operate as a temporary home for hockey games. During the Key aren internal gutting it acted as home for the supersonics during this time.

In terms of building the arena----no where near breaking ground...

There are a few fights on doing the Arena by the Port authority and other groups.

the other groups have issue in public money being used with regard to city rules in place for justification of construction.

with the Port authority they are concenred the evening traffic to the Stadium area with affect the truckers and using their port. The Port is next to the current Football/baseball stadium complex. The site would be just to the South of the stadiums....still in the traffic flow area of shipping truck traffic.

The issue is since most of the schedule happens in the winter time when there is no Mariner games this shouldnt be an issue. The capcity of baseball +arena (if events happened the same night)<football game would draw. Parking isnt an issue.

The past few years a light rail line as been constructed that can alieviate some of the traffic so if they invested in some sort of Park and ride near the airport using the light rail it would lessen the traffic flow out of the stadium. There are also numerous bus lines already set up to run during events that occur here. Thus the transportation system is already in place. The light rail is just starting out where in about 10-15 years it is supposed to extend about another 10-15 north and south of where it currently runs.

During Mon-Fri night games another option they would utilize are the Sounder commuter train lines.

If Stadium couldnt be built there --whee could it be built??? there are alot of sites but universally in all sites it would cause serious traffic nightmares during evening rush hour on game days. the current stadium area can support much more in part because people traveling to a game during evening rush hour are going against evening rush hour flow for the most part. Other locations talked about would be rigt with the rush hour flow. Also, there isnt the alternate transpoertation options such as the bus system or light rail.

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01-31-2013, 04:48 PM
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For what it's worth, Forbes figures the Coyotes will end up in Seattle, http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozan...n-falls-apart/.

From an NHL point of view, I can see that happening. The reasons why Seattle should have an NHL team have been debated, plus the NHL could make more money on a Quebec City & Toronto II/Southern Ontario expansion teams.
From a 32 team expansion standpoint Seattle or Portland are good options geographically.

From a 4 team division standpoint there is alot of economic ties between Seattle and the Western Canadian cities. Seattle would fit well with Vancouver, Calgary and Edmonton. In a 5 team divison set up it works well with Vancouver, LA, Anaheim, and San jose.

Seattle can easily support an NHL team. Its a winter sports market. Seattle along with Denver are two cities that could easily one day host the winter Olympics.

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I made these boring ones that I love. Most don't.
I would add black as a third color. Black perfected the North Stars look.

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Elliott Friedman: was on kjr and he said if seattle gets a nba team (meaning arena gets built) and if yotes are sold, that likely Seattle will be destination

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If Friedman is correct, northwesterners, please familiarize yourself with your "Seattle Metro-tems"...

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01-31-2013, 06:32 PM
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Still holding out hope that we could see a double deal announced sometime in April/May...bring back NBA and bring in NHL in one fell swoop for Seattle. Wonder how/if that would work, or if that would stretch things too thin in Seattle in terms of securing new ST holders/fans.

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Dang Doan is going to be 37? Any young players with talent?

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No Team named the Vancouver Canucks has won a Stanley cup.

The Vancouver Millionaires won.

A team called the Seattle Metropolitans has won a cup.

The Ottawa Senators as we know them haven't won a cup, but a team by that name has won one, so they count it as a technicality.
If the Totems return to Seattle, they can finally retire Guyle Fielder's #7. Fielder is the third-highest point scorer in professional hockey history, behind only Wayne Gretzky and Gordie Howe. He was the face of Seattle hockey for 16 years, led the WHL in scoring 9 times, and was the league MVP six times. His significance to Seattle's modern hockey history is much more significant, in my opinion, than the ancient Stanley Cup championship in 1917. Additionally, "Seattle Metropolitans" is a long name -- eight syllables in total. Their name would often be shortened to "Mets" or "Metros."

I think the Totems can still honor the Metropolitans legacy, much like how the Canucks often pay tribute to the Millionaires. There is a historic rivalry between the Canucks and Totems, and the history involving the Totems' previous attempts to join the NHL shouldn't be ignored.


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Dang Doan is going to be 37? Any young players with talent?
You can build a new team around this guy...



...only 22 years old yet already a #1 defenseman...24:35 TOI per game.

He'll expect a huge new contract this summer though.

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Elliott Friedman: was on kjr and he said if seattle gets a nba team (meaning arena gets built) and if yotes are sold, that likely Seattle will be destination
When both Friedman and Lebrun reach the same conclusion, something's up! Exciting times for the city of Seattle.

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...only 22 years old yet already a #1 defenseman...24:35 TOI per game.

He'll expect a huge new contract this summer though.
I have no clue how the cap works lol.

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So let's rebuild the yotes:

Resign mike smith? Doan is going to be good for 2-3 years? Anyone on the horizon that would be available?

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So let's rebuild the yotes:

Resign mike smith? Doan is going to be good for 2-3 years? Anyone on the horizon that would be available?
Rebuild? Haha. They were in the conference finals last April. Go slow, and do a little research.

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So let's rebuild the yotes:

Resign mike smith? Doan is going to be good for 2-3 years? Anyone on the horizon that would be available?
As long as they keep Maloney and Tippett, they should be fine.

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Thanks for the details, folks. In my mind, there is zero doubt that if Seattle has an approved arena plan and a willing owner, it will get the a team before, say, QC. Personally I would welcome it as it is a natural rivalry for the Canucks.

 
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